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881  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 22, 2023, 10:25:02 PM
Ist das nicht immer so, dass die ganzen "Finanzexperten" Ihre eigene Agenda haben? Da wird dann doch oft eher das eigene Wunschdenken zur Schau gestellt denn eine nachvollziehbare Prognose abzugeben. Und wenn sich die ganzen Schafe durch Angst und Gier dahin treiben lassen wo man Sie haben will, dann kann durch entsprechende Gegenpositionen das ganze "dumme Geld" eingesammelt werden, so funktioniert doch Kapitalismus oder nicht?

Ob Pump&Dump bei memes, ETH-Killer oder BTC-Wunschdenken, wer auf solche Berichte einsteigt macht meist nur andere reich.
Da es enorm wichtig für die Reichweite (= Einnahmen) ist, egal ob YouTuber, Twitter (X?)-"Guru", Altcoin-Klatschblatt oder auch die Cryptoexperten, die immer wieder bei Preisvorhersagen in etablierteren Medien zitiert werden, würde ich ebenfalls vermuten, dass eine möglichst große Reichweite in den meisten Fällen die treibende Kraft bei den "Prognosen" ist. Ja nach Kandidat und Medium natürlich in unterschiedlicher Ausprägung, wobei die Leute von YouTube (noch vor Twitter) die penetrantesten Kandidaten sind.
Das überbietet dann nur noch ein John McAfee, dessen Prognosen so abwegig waren, dass sich selbst heute noch jeder dran erinnert.  Cheesy
Also ja: vielleicht nennt man es lieber "Wunschpreise" statt "Prognosen". Ich hätte auch gerne Kurse von 100k+ und das bitte noch bis Jahresende...


Hier sieht man übrigens in Halving 3 auch nochmal den massiven Einbruch kurz vor dem tatsächlichen Halving-Zeitpunkt (Einbruch rund um März 2020, Halving dann kurz darauf Anfang Mai). Das nächste Halving wird ja für Anfang/Mitte April 2024 erwartet, könnte also durchaus sein, dass wir im Frühjahr nochmal einen recht heftigen Einbruch erleben.
Oder es geht ab September / Oktober noch ein ganzes Stück aufwärts und danach erst im Frühjahr tritt wieder der (klassische) Dip vor dem Halving ein.  Smiley
Wenn es in 2023 noch auf 40k steigt und dann vor dem Halving wieder auf 30k fällt, hätte bestimmt niemand was dagegen (sofern der Kurs anschließend direkt wieder steigt  Wink).
Bis das Halving stattfindet, ist noch immer sehr viel Zeit, immerhin am aktuellen Zyklus des Halvings gemessen noch mehr als 1/8 des Zeitraums.
882  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: August 21, 2023, 09:06:00 PM
Thus, unfortunately, the best way I can see from my position right now is to bow down from this thread until there are more DTs giving their opinion on what to do with Haunebu, and I will adhere to the consensus once it is reached. I will respect whatever tag you're leaving to Haunebu and 3kpk3, though.
I've not decided what to do here as well, maybe my tag will be negative or just neutral and mabye the abusers will be lucky this time because DT doesn't seem to care much about the case. Of course, I reserve the right to leave a tag any time as according to our pinned forum Merit guidelines by hilariousandco, a negative tag for this abuse is "almost certainly leading to you to receive negative feedback if discovered" but we'll see.  Smiley
For now, OP hasn't replied here, especially regarding my question if I should send Haunebu a PM to give him an opportunity to clarify if he is still the original account owner (another possible abuse: buying /selling Bitcointalk Accounts).

I really don't like how Haunebu reacted when he realized he can get away with it and maybe I'll re-consider a tag if there's more evidence presented that he didn't show any guilt for meriting his Alt excessively / no sign at all, that he regrets his abuse.

883  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io 🏎️🏁 Dutch Grand Prix 🏁🏎️ Prediction Contest on: August 21, 2023, 08:00:49 PM
Clearly too much Verstappen here...  Cheesy Cheesy

1. Norris
2. Norris
3. Verstappen
4. 7 seconds
884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: August 21, 2023, 07:57:44 PM
Thanks cygan! Got the freebets, and promptly placed Wink

Wooow, great round from Sojourner (buwaytress) and lots of points collected. It's quite an impressive result, especially considering that in our local board prediction topic, the best result from this round was 18 points.  

Pure beginner's luck. I don't think I've ever got the correct outcome in every single game on a match day either, the draw and Freiburg win seemed logical but you never know. Let's hope I haven't run myself into the ground on this performance!
Well, let's see.  Cheesy
Bundesliga is hard to predict and I'm sure we can be in for surprises. 23 points is a very nice start.  Smiley

BVB look really shaky, but I put Mainz as the first choice to get their manager sacked in the bonus question-- the result helps my case!
Not sure of Mainz here because Bundesliga has a few teams where changing a coach isn't done very often.
Like Freiburg (Christian Streich, since 2012), Union (Urs Fischer, since 2018), and Heidenheim (Frank Schmidt, who achieved 1st league, coach at Heidenheim since 2007).
I would consider Mainz to be close to that group as well and their current coach, Bo Svensson, has been a Mainz player for a very long time.
For him to get sacked, Mainz really needs to have a bad season.
But we never know, of course.  Smiley



Union Berlin was strong, but I doubt that their efficiency will be the same in many games. Turning 6 shots on target into 4 goals doesn't happen everyday. Wink
Union Berlin is always a big surprise. I'm not sure if they can keep their impressive result from last round, especially when playing Champions Leage in addition.
Union is usually very strong at home, while lacking a bit at away games.
885  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: August 21, 2023, 06:46:17 PM
But there's a simple way to end this war: Putler goes home and stops his invasion.  Smiley

You seem unable (or unwilling?) to differentiate between a president of a nation deciding to send in his own troops and anticipating losses, and a separate nation anticipating losses for Ukraine and envisioning that those losses would be acceptable if their goals are reached  "U.S., British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said U.S. and Western officials."
You seem unable (or unwilling?) to understand the whole situation: on one side, Putin invaded Ukraine and sent his own troops, no matter how many lives will be lost - and on the other side Ukraine who is left between the choice of defending their coutry or getting taken over by Russia, and whoever doesn't kiss Putin's ass will get deported to Siberia (or getting directly send into Putler's ongoing war as cheap cannon fodder, like Putler does with his Donbas Russian speaking Ukrainians, he claimed to "liberate". They are his new cannon fodder to keep his war going...)  Roll Eyes

You will continue to stay in your comfortable state of bewilderment (of orcs and nazis, Russia is just doing land grab, wants erase UA), until you decide to really want to figure out what's going on, how it's playing out, and what outcomes are even possible (fair warning, you'll be disappointment, without the rose glasses world is not a fair place, everyone is fighting dirty and some nations simply just being used to change spheres of influence in the bigger geopolitical game, if president is not strong enough to play both sides).
You will continue to parrot even the biggest nonsense Russian propaganda, because it's very easy in your safe basement to deny Ukrainians any self-defense, to deny Ukrainians any delieveries of weapons to push back Russian orcs, to deny Ukrainians any Patriot systems to shoot down Russian missiles which Putler is deliberately using to bomb Ukrainian civilians every day.
Because Putin trolls like you are safe in their basement and don't get your houses bombed like Putler does with Ukrainians.
You won't be affected in case Putler takes over Ukraine but Ukrainians will be affected.
Keep ignoring the reality that Ukrainians don't want to be enslaved by Putler and keep ignoring the fact that Kremlin trolls like you are complicit for every missile Putler is able to bomb Ukrainian civilians with.  Lips sealed



China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals

Russian firms have received tens of thousands of Chinese shipments since the war in Ukraine began
Many thanks for pointing out that China is complicit and fueling the Russian invasion against Ukraine.
886  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Wie Wissen teilen ohne eigene Strategie zu torpedieren?! on: August 21, 2023, 02:24:16 AM
Der Entwickler hat ja oftmals viel Zeit und (Lehr-)Geld bezahlt ehe er soweit ist, dass er profitabel handeln kann. Wenn er jetzt diese Strategie einfach veröffentlicht, dann können andere den Prozess abkürzen, sprich der Endwickler hat das Lehrgeld für die anderen "mitbezahlt" und könnte einen Ausgleich für angemessen halten.
Ich bin mir ehrlich gesagt nicht ganz schlüssig ob ich das auch so sehen würde. Wie seht ihr das? 
Sofern* der Entwickler eine zuverlässige Trading-Strategie entwickelt hat, die verlässlich Gewinne abliefert, könnte er einen Kredit aufnehmen** und die Entwicklungskosten wieder kompensieren.  Cheesy
* Da mir eine solche Strategie bisher nicht bekannt ist, erübrigt sich die Problematik, denn es wäre am Ende ein Nullsummenspiel, egal ob der Entwickler seine Trading-Strategie vorab teilt oder nicht.
** Einen Kredit sollte man natürlich nie aufnehmen, da es keine verlässliche Tradingstrategie gibt.  Smiley
887  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: [Neue Auswertungen] Wir deutschsprachigen und die Merits ... on: August 21, 2023, 02:11:31 AM
Kurzum: ich hab das Merit Dashboard von DdmrDdmr bemüht und hab ne kleine Auswertung gefahren und war über das Ergebnis selbst ein bisschen überrascht:
Danke für die Auswertung unseres deutschen Forenbereichs. Das ist mal eine interessante Übersicht.
Schade, dass CoinEraser aktuell nicht aktiv ist.

Sieht wohl so aus, als müsste ich langsam in den internationalen Bereich expandieren.  Grin
Kannst du gerne machen aber lass dich dort nicht vom vielen Spam erschlagen.  Cheesy

Btw: wenn man sich die merits im August anschaut, dann sieht man die Sommerflaute schon ein wenig. Offenbar bin ich nicht der einzige bei dem die Qualität zugunsten der Quantität ein wenig eingebrochen ist.  Roll Eyes
Naja, Juli war auch außergewöhnlich viel durch qwk. So gesehen sind wir jetzt wieder auf normalem Niveau, wobei auch noch 11 Tage des Monats über sind.  Smiley



Und danke an die Auswertung von Real-Duke. 1800 Merit sind wirklich eine ganze Menge für unseren lokalen Forenbereich. Dass wir da einmal gewinnen, ist doch eine dicke Überraschung.  Cheesy
888  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Important to know: Difference Coin / Token and shady marketing practices on: August 21, 2023, 01:57:00 AM
Perhaps you forgot your own topic about altcoins which, in my opinion, is surely helpful if you add it as should-read documents.
It's helpful for sure but as a main purpose of my topic, I wanted to outline the technical differences of coins and tokens. Looks like my article got a bit too detailed, especially my parts "False marketing is deceiving buyers" and "ICO, ITO, Shitcoin and Shittoken".
So, main purpose of my topic was to outline the technical differences of coins and tokens.

Maybe we can create a list of topics about dangers / common mistakes in relation to Altcoins in a new topic.
I've created one more topic about Shitcoins:
Is diversification into different coins really a good advice for Newbies?
Bitcoin vs. Altcoins – projected Marketcap



So, for the sake of accuracy, these products are called "Alttokens" instead of "Altcoins" as long as they are still a token. The popular term for such products would then be "Shittoken" instead of "Shitcoin" accordingly.

Won't the term alttoken imply that there is an original token, much as Bitcoin, a legitimate first one that somehow is fundamentally different than the rest?
Sure, somehow you are right because such a term implies indeed that there's an original (legitimate) "token".  Cheesy
But since tokens (derived from and based on an existing Blockchain platform) are never original, I'm not sure.
Maybe we should just call it "shittoken"?  Cheesy



It is important to note that being a coin and running on a blockchain does not give any extra legitimacy to the project. The developing team can put in a little effort to creating a crap blockchain and investing loads on marketing.
Same might happen to a token. But a coin has more potential if a team is honest and genuinely good in coding. That's why we need to do additional research on top of it.


This is not false advertising cause it is actually a coin but a shitty one.
No, advertising a token as a coin is false advertising if it's technically a token.
That's false marketing by definition. If you buy a pinapple but get an apple, that's not what was advertised...


So, for the sake of accuracy, these products are called "Alttokens" instead of "Altcoins" as long as they are still a token. The popular term for such products would then be "Shittoken" instead of "Shitcoin" accordingly.
In your example it will be tokens and not alttokens, cause there is no top token the way we have Bitcoin and it is not an alternate version.
I am okay lumping them all as shitcoins or altcoins, cause making a distinction makes some look more valuable than the others.
- Jay -
Maybe we can call them "shittoken".  Cheesy



Scammers find it easy to launch a campaign because its easy to create a token and the supply is already created and easily distributed on ICO, for a project being hosted in a chain to prove that they have a use case needs to have a solid roadmap and skilled developers to back up the project, to set them apart from a developer who just created a token to make money.
+1  Smiley

889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: August 21, 2023, 01:37:11 AM
Wooow, great round from Sojourner (buwaytress) and lots of points collected. It's quite an impressive result, especially considering that in our local board prediction topic, the best result from this round was 18 points.

So far, season is starting well for Bayern and Dortmund almost screwed it again. Next round we'll see a clearer tendency where the teams are this season. Leverkusen could be in the mix to compete against Bayern.

For relegation, many teams are at risk this season, especially Heidenheim, Bochum, Darmstadt, Augsburg (and maybe Bremen as well, sorry cygan  Cheesy)
Biggest surprise compared to last season might be Stuttgart. They are playing well and Guirassy is a very good scorer. Of course, Bochum is an easy opponent but Stuttgart is a team to watch in my opinion.
890  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: ⚔️ Game of Thrones ⚔️ Campaign Manager Challenge ⚔️ Round 1 on: August 21, 2023, 01:27:30 AM
Or how is it defined?
Common sense is enough for everyone to know what campaign manager is.
There are few lists of campaign managers people can hire, and they had to maintain more than one campaign.
Common sense is quite difficult to apply for some cases.
Like, how many campaigns does someone need until he is considered a "Campaign Manager"? 20? 25?

And isn't LoyceV a campaign manager as well?
No he is not.
I cant pay him to manage my campaign.
No?  Huh
I'm sure you can pay him to manage your campaign if you pay enough.  Smiley

In addition, I would like to see your topic moved into our Service Discussion board because in my opinion, it's better suited there. Yes, we can win Bitcoin but it's more about service discussion, too, so seeing you topic getting trashed into Games and Rounds here, is a bit sad in my opinion.
Maybe you can move it?  Smiley
I wont move this topic.
This is giveaway and giveaways should not be in Services Discussion.
I am not interesting in talking about services they offer.
Wow, that's very sad to hear. I'm sure it would be great to have an extended discussion around it.
But your topic, your decision.
891  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: welche bountys signaturen lohnen sich am meisten??? on: August 21, 2023, 01:21:49 AM
Es passt also denke ich wie es ist, der internationale Gambling-Bereich ist ja sehr gut besucht.

Genau. Und zwar mit bis zu 90-95 Spam und Müll.
...
Eine vernünftige Unterhaltung ist dort meiner Meinung nach nicht möglich.
Während es stimmt, dass 90-95% aller Beiträge im internationalen Glücksspielbereich nur Spam sind, gibt es andererseits dort dennoch einige Fäden, in denen eine gute Diskussion trotzdem möglich ist.
Klar, die Anzahl dieser Fäden ist natürlich sehr gering und nicht selten gibt es auch dort immer wieder Shitposter, die dazwischengrätschen.

Beispiele dazu wären z.B. der ANN von Sportsbet.io, der Tippspielfaden von cryptofrka oder die Fäden der aktuellen Tippspiele, wie das internationale Bundesliga Tippspiel. Die scheinen die Shitposter nämlich nicht auf der Kappe zu haben, denn sonst sähe es dort genauso aus, wie im Bundesliga Spam-Megafaden, der zwar sein 2015 existiert aber mittlerweile auf knapp 40.000 Beiträge angeschwollen ist.  Lips sealed
Alleine gestern gab es darin knapp 60 Kommentare, am Samstag waren es knapp 80 Kommentare.  Lips sealed Lips sealed
892  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: August 20, 2023, 08:58:14 PM
That's a great GIF about Putler sending his own Russian people ill-prepared into a meat grinder, where Putler doesn't even care how many Russians will die due to invading Ukraine.
His only goal is to grab as much land as possible, not matter how many people will die due to his unnecessary war...  Roll Eyes

Putler when he announces mobilisation for his invasion:





I would really feel dirty to argue in favor of such a war criminal...



To the victor go the spoils, any agreement must include neutered Ukraine with terms that will put it back under RU's sphere of influence.
Wrong on so many aspects:
- Putin doesn't want security against "evil NATO" (neutral Ukraine). It's all along a scapegoat from Putin to paint "the west" as aggresive and Russia as a victim and you are falling for that manipulation.
- There wont be peace for Ukrainians even when Ukraine is completely taken over by Russia. Putler will completely erase Ukrainian culture, Ukraine as an independant state and everyone who disagrees with him. Look up his fascist speeches, he denies Ukraine any right to exist.
- Putin's goal is to capture Ukraine completely (and more, if possible because Moldova might be next) and re-build + enlarge Russia like during soviet union times.
- He's an aggressive dictator who will abuse everything as long as he gains 0,001 inches. 


But there's a simple way to end this war: Putler goes home and stops his invasion.  Smiley
893  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: ⚔️ Game of Thrones ⚔️ Campaign Manager Challenge ⚔️ Round 1 on: August 20, 2023, 05:54:48 PM
Nice campaign, where hopefully our campaign managers will compete for having the highest paying campaign.  Smiley
One of your rules is "campaign managers are not allowed to join" but how is a campaign manager defined? In theory, Foxpup is also a campaign manager and I've acted as a campaign manager in our German section as well.
Or how is it defined?
Do I need to have an official ANN?
And isn't LoyceV a campaign manager as well?

In addition, I would like to see your topic moved into our Service Discussion board because in my opinion, it's better suited there. Yes, we can win Bitcoin but it's more about service discussion, too, so seeing you topic getting trashed into Games and Rounds here, is a bit sad in my opinion.
Maybe you can move it?  Smiley
894  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: August 20, 2023, 05:30:07 PM
May I ask your opinion if I counter hilariousandco's opinion for red tag with the one given by theymos, [I stole it from nutildah's on previous page]

- Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.

if we consider that as it's been five years since both account exchange merits, then it's probably safe to assume that the mistake happened in the past and won't happen in the future. Thus, red tagging them will pose as a mark-of-shame instead of a warning for others.

What's your thought on this?
I'm very much in favor of forgivenness. For example to give people a second chance after they admit their mistake, even for plagiarizing under certain circumstances and that's also why I'm not in favor of our current "ban evasion" rule, because such a rule is exactly the opposite of forgivenness. Everyone needs a fair chance to admit his mistakes and a fair chance to improve.
But I'm also in favor of drawing a clear line to prevent abuse from getting more common. Every member should know that certain practices here are frowned upon and it's important to avoid such abuses, like Haunebu and his Alt did. If these members are really valuable for our comunity, they will admit their mistake, accept the consequences about the involved accounts getting tagged and then, they can start from scratch building a new Account, where such abuses are avoided. That's a fair second chance in my opinion.

As a DT member, consistency is very important for me. When Merit was introduced, the consensus was pretty clear that sending of Merit to our own Alt Accounts will almost certainly lead to red trust.
If Haunebu and his alts are getting out of this untagged, we are at risk, that someone else will come here, setting up a bunch of own Alt Accounts and sending them Merit from his main account. In case he's getting a negative tag (which would be deserved in my opinion) he could point at Haunebu and his Alt, where no negative tag was issued.
And DT would be in trouble to explain it properly because it would be a very inconsistent story.
That's why I'm in favor of tagging the abusers because DT needs to be consistent about our Merit guidelines and issue a fair punishment for the abusing accounts because it's important to prevent abuse in the future.

895  Local / Off-Topic (Deutsch) / Re: Diskussion Klimawandel on: August 20, 2023, 03:08:18 PM
Was habt ihr noch so auf dem Schirm?
Die Punkte, die du genannt hast, kann ich definitiv so unterschreiben, wobei neben dem Abtauen der Gletscher / Eismassen Grönlands und am Südpol besonders auch das Auftauen des Permafrostbodens ein massives Problem sein wird. Denn dann wird nicht nur weiteres CO2 freigesetzt, sondern auch Methan, welches noch deutlich klimaschädlicher ist.
Das könnte dann tatsächlich ein massiver Kipppunkt sein, der, wenn einmal erreicht, die Dynamik des Klimawandels zusätzlich beschleunigt.
Wobei wir wieder bei dem Punkt wären, dass jedes 0.1 Grad weniger Erwärmung viel Wert ist.  Smiley

Dann wäre noch der Regenwald im Amazonasgebiet wichtig, der bei weiterer Abholzung als CO2-Speicher wegfällt. Zudem ist der Boden im Amazonasbereich überraschend unfruchtbar, weshalb ein erneutes Aufforsten nach Abholzung sehr schwierig ist. Denn die wichtige Humusschicht, die durch den Regenwald erhalten wird, hält sich ohne Regenwald nicht. Der Boden darunter gilt als überaus unfruchtbar.

896  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: August 20, 2023, 02:29:16 PM
Sadly, I have to disagree. In my opinion, [negative] tagging Haunebu [and 3kpk3] account for merit abuse would violate the quote from theymos.
I'm really trying to understand, why Haunebu and his Alt 3kpk3 shouldn't be punished for what they did and where it violated the quote from theymos but when doing research on Reputation and Meta, I'm just getting even more convinced, that it would be very deserved to give out a negative tag for both.
Even then, they could create a new account, moving on and (hopefully) learning from the mistake, they did on their old accounts.

Combine that with what yahoo said here on #22 that the merit exchange happened close to when the merit system is being introduced and everybody is still fumbling with sending and receiving merit, and that he has never exchanged any between both ever since, there's a huge chance that Haunebu didn't know what he may or may not do with his merit. So, it's a case of merit cluelessness rather than a merit abuse, which warrant even more less [negative] tag.
The abuse happened until late 2018, where everyone was well aware how Merit should be used, how important it was for ranking up.
We had many guides on Meta, that sending Merit to our own Alt is not allowed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

Quote from: hilariousandco
Can I give merit to my alt accounts?

No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

I just can't believe it's just "Merit cluelessness", it seems much more like deliberately sending it to his own account.
Repeatedly, back and forth, again and again. This abuse happened from April 2018 to November 2018:


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?to=Haunebu&from=3kpk3


https://bpip.org/smerit.aspx?from=Haunebu&to=3kpk3

This is massive abuse and it's running for over half a year. A total of 39 Merit was abused (16 3kpk3 account, 23 Haunebu account)

I'm not buying the excuse that some members were "clueless" about Merit.
It's everyone's duty to read the Merit guidelines.
Back then, DT's position was very clear that there's no excuse of using Merit fraudulently.
Many abusers played the "I didn't know" / "I'm just a bit clueless" card. But DT called the bluff right away.
And for the case of Haunebu and his Alt 3kpk3, it's very clearly deliberate abuse. Sending Merit to our own Alts is not allowed.

Another important point, why I believe Haunebu and his Alt 3kpk3 shouldn't complain in case DT will tag them, is because we have seen many similar cases.
Like for example here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4862145.0
Similar case, where Merit was sent between Alt accounts, Alt Accounts were proven by solid proof.
Abusers got tagged by marlboroza and Lauda. Didn't cause any controversy.
Case happened also in late 2018.
And in my opinion, our Haunebu and 3kpk3 case is much worse.

That's why I believe a negative tag is appropriate and deserved.
897  Other / Meta / Re: Campaign to improve posting quality for local boards on: August 19, 2023, 09:16:38 PM

You can already apply below by reserving your language, just submit a post:


Thank you, sir, for your meaningful post which impresses me a lot. I already translate all of the posts into my local language. I hope, in Bangladesh, it will be a much more helpful post to improve Bangali local boards' post quality. Thank you so much for your own @1miau creations with the help of @GazetaBitcoin who is my Ideal.
Hello, we are very happy to have you on board.  Smiley
Like outlined by GazetaBitcoin, it's really important to customize your topic for your local board.
You can add many points, where your local board needs to improve posting quaility, how to avoid common mistakes etc.
As an inspiration, you can have a look at our topics:

Available translations: || Română (Romanian) by GazetaBitcoin || Deutsch (German) by 1miau

I hope it's working for you to read our German / Romanian version via Google translate and be able to see how we have customized our versions for our local boards.
For example: Bengali local is currently just a big topic, so it's different from German / Romanian local board. We are looking forward to your version.  Smiley
If you have any question, feel free to ask here.
I've added your reservation for Bengali translation to my OP.  Smiley



But I'm still not 100% happy, dear GazetaBitcoin.

Why are you still not happy? Smiley
I don't know, it's still a bit meh (but yet not MehMeh).  Cheesy

Maybe we should hire a designer?  Huh

A designer for the topic header?  Shocked Grin Shocked
Yes, maybe?
We need to stimulate Bitcointalk economy.  Smiley



Clown car? Yes, for sure it is way too small!!
For Bitcointalk, you need a whole clown bus, dear GazetaBitcoin.
And even then, we might still be in dire need of a big trailer...  Cheesy Cheesy

Looooooooool!

I found a bus:
See, it's already full and we probably need a 2nd one...
Too many clowns here...
898  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: August 19, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
Nice catch, @OP but do you have a really convincing proof, it's really his Alt Account?
Just sending Merit, even for large amounts as long as posts are at least halfways useful, doesn't prove anything. Do we have more proof like linked BTC / ETH addresses or shared Social Media accounts?
If not, it's just not enough proof in my opinion.  

According to this old digging by decodx, yes, they shared an address and username. This was part of OP's evidence on his opening post, though he can only share link because the thread was locked. It was also repeated here [quoted below], so their alt relationship is pretty much established.
Yeah, I didn't click the links in OP, so our case seems pretty obvious here. Many thanks for sharing.



I've re-read everything and especially the quote of theymos about Merit selling got a bit misinterpreted here in my opinion. He said:

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.
In his statement, he's leaving lots of space for speculation.
Because who defines, what's similarly bad like Merit selling (theymos: "probably anything less than selling merit")?
In my opinion, sending Merit to my Alt Account is such a case. We can still argue if it needs to be deliberate, repeated sending to our Alt Account.

In his quote, I believe theymos only wanted to express to be very lenient how someone spends his sMerit, as long it's not directly involving Merit sales (x Merit for x BTC) or sending Merit to our own Alt Account.
For example even if I send 50 Merit to this post from holydarkness and do it 2x again for similar posts, it's not abuse because
- it's not selling
- holydarkness is not my Alt Account
- the quality provided is enough be be a meritable post (yes, can be argued if it's deserving 50 Merit)

Conclusion:  
In my opinion, a tag to Haunebu Account for Merit abuse would not violate the quote from theymos. Opinions?
899  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Important to know: Difference Coin / Token and shady marketing practices on: August 19, 2023, 08:15:24 PM
I am asking it again are you saying a Coin has the more potential then a token just because token does not have its own blockchain. Let's say a coin just came into the market with some new blockchain with some old mechanism like POS etc. And there is a token based on ETH blockchain and that Token platform is also getting more investments and trust over that Coin base platform. Does it still mean coin is better one instead of token?
We need to judge here from case to case.
You are right that there can be a very bad Coin, for example, when weak, copied and outdated tech is implemented.
And there can be a very good token, where the project is unique, like UniSwap.
Sometimes, a project is better on an existing blockchain.

But on an average basis, a coin is much better than a token: add up all coins and all tokens and you'll get an average.
For example out of our top 10 cryptocurrencies, 7 cryptocurrencies are coins and 90%+ of crypto's market capitalisation is owned by coins.

Reasons for this can be:
- a coin has much more potential, like Bitcoin and Ethereum, are providing a whole digital currency (BTC) or independent platform (ETH), where tokens can be launched on
- a token is dependent on the plaform where it was launched on, it is limited to that platform and even can fail if the underlying platform fails
...

So, a coin has just more potential. If it's indeed better, needs to be judged from case to case by evaluating the tech of each coin.
While we can't judge for every single project, the average is very clearly in favor of coin, like we can see on CoinMarketCap.
900  Economy / Reputation / Re: Haunebu and 3kpk3 - merit system abuse on: August 19, 2023, 03:58:16 PM
Nice catch, @OP but do you have a really convincing proof, it's really his Alt Account?
Just sending Merit, even for large amounts as long as posts are at least halfways useful, doesn't prove anything. Do we have more proof like linked BTC / ETH addresses or shared Social Media accounts?
If not, it's just not enough proof in my opinion. 


One thing I can add is that until September 2017, the person behind Haunebu account wrote only in fluent German and was well educated technically, after that date only English spam began.
Indeed, in his early days, Haunebu submitted many German posts.
But it doesn't look like a hacked or sold account, there's no posting gap at all.

@OP
Do you want me to shoot him a PM? I could ask for some clarification and verify if it's still the original (German) owner, I speaking German.  Smiley
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