...After all, it's a very important lesson to know that HODL is purely a mental challenge. If you want to HODL correctly, you should know and pay attention to all points mentioned above.  If you are a Hodler, have you determined the price for yourself when you will sell your Bitcoins, or does hodl not involve selling coins at all? It's a difficult question but I wouldn't say HODL involves selling coins necessarily. Some people buy Bitcoins for HODL and don't sell, some people sell after some time. I believe, HODL doesn't has any fixed amount of time. But maybe at least 4 years for each halving cycle? It's up to every HODLer. HODLer's just sell (or don't sell) after an undefined amount of time.
After all, it's a very important lesson to know that HODL is purely a mental challenge.
But what I need to ask is, how long should I keep holding to show my mental strength? It should be until I get to my target right? or do we just keep holding and holding? because of not wanting to sell early to make better profit. Bitcoin value will keep increasing, so when is the right time? You can HODL as long as you want to HODL. And about a certain target: it depends on every HODLer. Personally, I don't have any target for HODL, just a veeery long time. But to consider it "HODL" I would say, a HODLer needs to hold at least 4 years, which is 1 halving cycle. It's up to every HODLer.
Have difference spell or meaning between HOLD or HODL?
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HODL dates back to a Bitcointalk post from 2015, where it was advised not to sell one's own Bitcoins despite losses, but to wait patiently until it rises again. *2013 You are right, somehow I've missed it, that it's been that early.  I've edited my post. It's a shame the author isn't around anymore. Would love to hear his story.
Yes, despite logging it and even writing posts a few times, GameKyuubi isn’t actively participating in a discussion here. Maybe he doesn’t want to cause any attention because he’s somewhat famous already. A good HODLer stays cool even in case of losses. Best we can do is to move our valuable Bitcoin somewhere where it has a high resistance of being sold. This has a lot in common with religion, cults, and similar things. Even though I'm a hodler myself, every time I read something like this makes me think of how crazy this sounds to an average person, especially people who trade stocks or currencies. I wouldn’t call it "cult", just a nice and promising strategy suited for Bitcoin. Because compared to stocks or (fiat) currencies, Bitcoin is quite different. I would compare Bitcoin and gold to each other. And for gold, it's also common that people are collecting coins or bars, while hoping for price increases or by simply collecting them. |
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Anyone who has ever heard of Bitcoin may have heard of HODL as well. Because HODL is a very famous strategy to speculate on long-term price gains of Bitcoin, whereby "long term" is not defined in detail, how long it really is. HODL dates back to a Bitcointalk post from 2013, where it was advised not to sell one's own Bitcoins despite losses, but to wait patiently until it rises again. However, it is indeed essential to wait, because most common errors from HODL are: - Sold all BTC too early to realize (small) profits - Sold all BTC too early to minimize losses in case of decreasing prices Additional mistakes can be dangerous coin storage practices, for example on a file-sharing platform, which is increasing risks of getting hacked. But in my post and for advanced Bitcoin HODLers it is assumed our coins are stored properly, which HODL also invites us to do, because HODL only required to transfer our coins on very rare occasions (if at all), which minimizes transferring or storage errors. As a conclusion we should keep in mind: most common mistakes of HODL are quick sales of our valuable BTC. So, we have to be aware and know that HODL is purely a mental challenge. A good HODLer can resist any temptation to make (small) profits prematurely and a good HODLer keeps his Bitcoin. A good HODLer stays cool even in case of losses. Best we can do is to move our valuable Bitcoin somewhere where it has a high resistance of being sold. And we shouldn't store it on file-sharing networks anyways and also not on centralized exchanges because we don't have our private key on such platforms (not your key, not your coins). After all, it's a very important lesson to know that HODL is purely a mental challenge. If you want to HODL correctly, you should know and pay attention to all points mentioned above.
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Ich versuche mal noch ein paar Merits unters Volk zu bringen.
Das ist sehr nett, danke dir. Es gibt sogar Nutzer, die verteilen gar keine Merits, was natürlich sehr schade ist aber da kann man nichts machen. Welchen Nutzen haben die Merits?
a) der Schreiber wird für gute Beitrage motiviert.
b) Span-Schutz
Welchen Nutzen gibt es noch?
Da hast du den Hauptnutzen schon gut zusammengefasst. Merit wurde hauptsächlich eingeführt, um zu verhindern, dass die Leute ohne signifikanten Aufwand mit Mehrfach-Accounts (Alt-Accounts) in sogenannten Signaturkampagnen* teilnehmen, was damals enormen Spam erzeugt hat und gute Beiträge sehr selten waren. Denn früher war für den Rang des eigenen Accounts nur die Aktivität relevant (die bemisst sich an der Anzahl der Beiträge, unabhängig von der Beitragsqualität). Deshalb wurde Merit eingeführt. *Signaturkampagnen sind Kampagnen, bei denen man für das Tragen einer Signatur und des Profilbildes für eine bestimmte Anzahl an Beiträgen pro Woche eine bestimmte Menge an gratis BTC bekommt. Je höher der Rang des eigenen Accounts, desto höher die Belohnungen, da Accounts mit höherem Rang bessere und größere Signaturen tragen können. Singaturkampagnen werden im internationalen Servicebereich veröffentlicht. Hier ein Beispiel: [CFNP] BC.Game - Crypto Casino | Sig Campaign | Up to 0.0036 BTC/WDaher wurde Merit eingeführt, weil sonst viele Nutzer nur seichte Einzeiler schreiben würden. So muss man sich nun mehr anstrengen, wenn nun ebenfalls die Qualität der Beiträge zählt.  Daher ist es auch so wichtig, Merit nur an gute Beiträge zu geben, die es verdienen. Und wenn du mal in einer Kampagne teilnehmen magst, kannst du das gerne tun. Gibt gratis BTC als Belohnung. Ein weitere Grund des Merits ist noch, dass gute Beiträge dadurch "markiert" werden. Für andere Nutzer oder außenstehende Betrachter sind gute Beiträge (z.B. korrekte Antworten, hilfreiche Anleitungen) daher direkt einfach erkennbar. |
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Mit Kursvorhersagen ist das bekanntlich immer so eine Sache und wenn man sich diese in ein paar Jahren noch einmal durchliest, weiß man es eh besser. Interessant sind dabei jedoch immer die Begründungen, warum der Kurs steigen oder fallen soll, was so gesehen auch ein bisschen die aktuelle Psychologie des Marktes widerspiegeln kann (oder so gesehen die Sicht eines einzelnen Marktteilnehmers aber daraus besteht ja der Markt). Solche Begründungen finde ich dann auch deutlich interessanter als so manche Twitter-Kaffeesatzleserei, denn Linien sind schnell in den Chart gezeichnet. Seit einigen Monaten haben wir bekanntlich einen ausgeprägten Seitwärtstrend, nachdem der Kurs zu Jahresbeginn ziemlich dynamisch gestiegen ist. Mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit liegt der Boden bereits hinter uns. Wenn man jetzt davon ausgeht, dass längere Seitwärtstrends mit großer Mehrheit mit einem bullischen (und durchaus dynamischen) Ausbruch geendet haben (Akkumulierungsphase), so spricht auch diesmal sehr viel dafür: - Markt ist genügend "abgekühlt" für einen neuen Bullenmarkt - das nächste Halving steht vor der Tür - die technischen Rahmenbedingungen sind besser als in bisherigen Bullenmärkten, insbesondere, was das zu bewältigende Transaktionsaufkommen angeht (vom Ordinals-Spam einmal abgesehen) - als Anlageform, auch für institutionelle Investoren, ist Bitcoin bestens geeignet - die Verbreitung von Bitcoin hat nach wie vor viel Aufwärtspotential. Eine Goldunze z.B. bekommt man in jeder größeren (und auch kleineren) Stadt, bei Bitcoin ist das nicht so. - der historische Kursverlauf (ja, prinzipiell kann man sich davon nichts kaufen), war auch in der Vergangenheit nach längeren Seitwärtsphasen in den meisten Fällen sehr bullisch. Das negiert auch der längere Seitwärtstrend von Ende 2018 nicht, als der Kurs unter 6k USD fiel. Denn damals wurde erst wenige Monate zuvor (Dezember 2017), ein neues, markantes Allzeithoch gesetzt. Der Kurs war damals also noch im Sinkflug, es gab keinen ähnlichen Boden, wie es ihn in der aktuellen Situation gibt, wenn wir davon ausgehen, dass der Boden im Spätjahr 2022 erreicht wurde. Das war damals also eine ganz andere Situation als heute: Mitte / Ende 2018: bärischer Abschnitt, Kurs noch im Sinkflug Mitte / Ende 2023: bullischer Abschnitt, Kurs bereits in einer bullischen Bewegung Den Corona-Dip würde ich an dieser Stelle ebenfalls als Anomalie bezeichnen. Natürlich kann der Kurs auch noch einmal fallen, aber wie viele Leute in diesem Faden, würde ich Preise unter 20k als sehr unwahrscheinlich ansehen. Mal sehen, ob wir in 2 Jahren unsere Prognosen noch einmal heraussuchen und schauen, wie akkurat sie waren. |
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So wie ich das sehe, hat qwk dabei die Liste DE Merits sauber durchgearbeitet, erst die Top30 (ohne internationale Mitglieder) jeweils mit 20 und danach nochmal die TOP10 nochmal mit 29. Bei Seek3r und mir waren dann die sMerits alle. Hehe, da hat deine Liste mit Nutzernamen und guten Beiträgen aus unserem deutschen Forenbereich direkt einmal seinen Nutzen unter Beweis gestellt, dass qwk möglicherweise eine deutliche Arbeitserleichterung hatte, indem dort (zumindest ein Großteil der) besten Beiträge aufgelistet ist. Danke an qwk für die generöse Meritvergabe. Also die 750 bei qwk können wir glaube ich Einloggen.  Das ist noch immer nicht auszuschließen, dass ein Teil davon das persönliche sMerit (kein Quell-sMerit) war, denn jedes erhaltene Merit ergibt 0,5 sMerit. |
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Anyway, can't wait for later stages of CL, now there are too many games and it feels like overload.
It might get very funny in our pool B, odds based predictions, when in semi-finals or final, everyone will have to take a risk, because only very balanced matches will be available to place bets. So, I expect everyone will have to put his stake on a prediction of 2.xx odds, where losing the bet will inevitably lead to 0 points rounds for some leading particpants and everyone else will have a chance to catch up. Supebru often tends to be settled way before semi-finals or final, while it's very possible to be different for our pool B here. In addition, we don't have to pick every match in pool B, unlike on Superbru, so semi-finals or final has more weight on pool B. Of course, I might be proven wrong if someone manages to build a huge lead early on in pool B.  |
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That is why I wrote a detailed guide, based on my 7 years of experience, on how to interact with centralized exchanges. It describes the common mistakes of many beginners that lead to loss of money, I explain what you need to do so as not to expose yourself to additional risk: My 7 years of experience with CEXs (4 years on Bitcointalk)That seems to be a very helpful topic, I've noted it down and will read it later, when I've some more time, maybe next week. Of course, it's advanced content but definitely something, we would like to encourage with our campaign and it's also a good read even for Newbies. Maybe I need to go a bit more into detail in our campaign introduction post, that such educational topics, like linked by you above, are also eligible for a Merit reward and exactly what we want to see more often. |
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The viewpoint, that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time and that such campaigns, like we did, are getting belittled, IS a dangerous point of view because it's paving the way to a Bitcointalk, where shitposting is something "normal". I never wrote that shitposting is something normal, and I will never write such a thing. I've not written that you've said that shitposting would be something normal. I've said, that statements like from you, that we can't do anything against shitposting, will inevitably lead to resignation and as a result, shitposters will be dancing on the table. That's true but our campaign never claimed to remove ALL of spam, plagiarism, shitposting etc. OK. Although I once had such a goal, recent innovations in the field of reporting ruined this idea. It's a noble goal and we should continue to reach that goal, even if it's only one step at a time. There are a lot of political provocateurs in our locale. We have / had some provocateurs as well. Luckily we got rid of them. I hope, you'll get rid of them as well. A harsh approach helped us to succeed. Maybe it's helpful for you as well. Our campaign is just creating awareness, what's important to have a look at for a better posting quality.
And as a Merit source, we have some leverage: reward good posts by giving out Merit. We are not saying our campaign will solve all problems but it's a step into the right direction.
But we need more people pushing for this.
And at that point your "we can't do anything anyways" attitude is not helpful. As has already been said in our locale, this topic does not contain any real benefits for old participants, and we have almost no newcomers. This is a long-standing local problem related to the blocking of the forum by the Russian authorities. If there are no new users, then for whom should we run your campaign in our locale? There are only old users left there. Okay, because our campaign is also intended to remind about common mistakes like pyramid quotes, avoiding unnecessary Denglish etc. where also older members are frequently not up to date and commit such mistakes. At least in our German board. I disagree here.
If that topic to create awareness about the dangers of centralized exchanges, helps one person, it*s already a positive outcome. I'm always surprised how many people still don't know such basics. Most of the talk about centralized exchanges is that they should be avoided completely. This is too radical advice, you just need to know how to work with centralized exchanges. DEXs also have shortcomings and hidden problems, but for some reason they don’t want to talk about them, constantly presenting DEX as a full-fledged replacement for CEX. Of course, everyone will have a different viewpoint here. But what I'm finding very helpful, is to make aware, in which ways centralized exchanges can be dangerous. Most centralized exchanges don't have any legitimate license, even Germany's regulatory office (BAFIN, German SEC) doesn't care at all to hold these shithouses responsible. Deposited coins on exchanges are always in danger because we can't send them anywhere, when deposited. Not our keys, not our coins - I can't repeat it often enough. Newbies should be aware about the dangers of centralized exchanges and the number of posts (also in our local board) about issues with centralized exchanges is quite high and in the end, it is always leading to the conclusion that these Newbies "didn't know about it". Well, if we can make aware about it, they might know about it, before it happens. |
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At this point, I don't need to add much more, he's just what we've seen in the German section as well: a pitiful shitpost apologist, who's extremely butthurt that zasad@ dared to encourage a better posting quality. Because we all know what shitposters and their friends don't like: being exposed. Let's see if he's courageous enough to reply here and explain his pro-shitposting bullshit. Courage? Ha ha. It doesn't take courage to respond to your bullshit post. Looks like I have confused "courage" with "stupidity" for your case. Thanks for coming here and showing everyone that I've been right about your shitpost against our campaign. If you can't take criticism well, you need to work on yourself.
You haven't provided a single legitimate, constructive criticism. Only thing you have provided is a low-level shitpost for the sake of providing a shitpost. Me? Offensively? Why should I be offended? It's funny. Let your zasad write what he wants, it doesn't make me cold or hot.
I don't know why you got offended. Obviously you got offended because you left a butthurt reply in zasad@'s translation. Yes, I appeared on the forum much later than you, but, nevertheless, I have done several times more useful for the forum than you.
Bold claim, dude, bold claim! You've obviously not bothered to look at my post history before writing such bullshit, which tells a lot about you. Don't get sick by all of your over self-confidence because it might hurt you badly. Take a walk through the threads that deal with plagiarism reports, with AI shitposters, with ban evaders and you'll see my usefulness.
LOL, your plagiarism reports, where you add all the time the same, unnecessary fluff? Plagiarism.
User who plagiarizes
Plagiarism.
User who plagiarizes
Plagiarism.
User who plagiarizes
No shit, sherlock! Or does someone expect that plagiarizers are selling overprized flowers? What's the intention to add this unnecessary bullshit fluff in every of your reports? To have more characters that your shitposts are eligible to receive a reward for sigspam? I'm not even talking about Ratimov at all. He has done 1000 times more useful than you.
Bold claim once again and, as expected, zero proof. Gonna report him for plagiarism as well with your stupid posts? So my advice to you, learn to take criticism normally first, and then communicate with people.
No need to give me any advice, especially when you are providing exactly zero valid criticism. Because after your childish shitpost you just looked like a washed clown. We will promise to give shitposters and their friends a hard time.
Is that a threat? Depends on if you are are shitposter / their friend or not. If you aren't a shitposter and as well not their friend, you don't have to fear anything.
If you're such fighters against shitty posts in localized sections, why aren't you fighting back? Why don't you send reports to the moderators on such shitty posts? I can cite many more posts like this from our newbies. Or is your fight only in words? Where are your actions? Why doesn't your zasad send reports on these posts? And there are a huge number of such posts in the Russian section. Пepeпиcывaют и лгyт.
Кaчки ecть?)
Maybe you've missed to notice it: I'm not active in the Russian local board... Further communication with you is useless.
I'd rather go find a plagiarizer or an AI shitposter. That would be more useful.
What you are doing might be a, well, let's call it noble effort but I believe the issue you don't understand boils down to: " Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime" I'm more in favor to teach people how to learn fishing.
After all, a reply like from Ratimov is suggesting a very dangerous viewpoint: that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time (it's not true at all) and even that advocating for a better posting quality would be "spam".  This is not a dangerous point of view, but a reflection of the reality that I see on the forum. What has changed on the forum in 4 years? The viewpoint, that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time and that such campaigns, like we did, are getting belittled, IS a dangerous point of view because it's paving the way to a Bitcointalk, where shitposting is something "normal". - More and more valuable members will leave the forum because no one wants to wade through spam - More and more services will quit advertising on Bitcointalk - Bitcoin will become even more menaningless, Back then I've discovered Bitcointalk due to well-written technical posts. - Is there any spam left? Yes, he stayed.
- Is there any plagiarism left? Yes, he stayed.
- Are there any unprofessional translations using an automatic translator? Yes, he stayed.
- Are there any one-line shitposters left? Yes, they remain.
That's true but our campaign never claimed to remove ALL of spam, plagiarism, shitposting etc. What has been added over the past few years?
- A lot of political spam, insults and death wishes, as well as wishes to quickly to be in war.
- AI shitposting.
D'accord, BADecker can get banned right away, I don't mind. You are trying to fight the effect, but you need to fight the cause, but you are unlikely to succeed, because the forum is very loyal, here even plagiarism is not always banned, not to mention hatred on political grounds. Libertarianism and democracy greatly reduce censorship, while at the same time increasing various types of shitposting. Censorship reduces spam, but infringes on freedom of speech. Where to find this golden mean?
Our campaign is just creating awareness, what's important to have a look at for a better posting quality. And as a Merit source, we have some leverage: reward good posts by giving out Merit. We are not saying our campaign will solve all problems but it's a step into the right direction. But we need more people pushing for this. And at that point your "we can't do anything anyways" attitude is not helpful.  For you these are crazy accusations, but for me this is an objective reality.
It's not an "objective reality", as explained above. The campaign already achieved a positive outcome. It's like trying to wipe down a bench during a rainstorm. It seems like you are trying to do something, but this will not affect the overall result and progress. Your topic itself, of course, will not make anyone worse, just like if you write another topic about the fact that centralized exchanges are dangerous, but this will not change anything in principle.
I disagree here. If that topic to create awareness about the dangers of centralized exchanges, helps one person, it*s already a positive outcome. I'm always surprised how many people still don't know such basics.
If I were asked to give advice on how to improve my posting, I would highlight the following points:
- Don’t do translations without practical experience. That is, if you are translating something, you must have some knowledge regarding what you are translating.
- Write about your experience of interacting with various crypto services, such posts are very much appreciated.
- Open topics on themes that are personally interesting to you and in which you are best versed.
- If possible, open several topics and fill them with high-quality content about various add-ons, if this is some kind of service, or new products, if this is some kind of collection of services in LIST format.
- If you want to share news with the community, then do not engage in banal copying, tell it in your own words indicating the original source, or even better, add a few sentences with your comment or opinion.
At least, that's constructive criticism. +1 And could be seen as extension to my point 1 of my 1miau Merit criteria.
Your topic is not about the quality of posting, this topic is about the beautiful design of a post with a literary presentation of your thoughts. For many, the design of the post is not important, whether some words or GIFs with pictures are used, for many the essence is important. At least my post accurately reflects the state of affairs in my locale and I know better than you how everything works there and what is most valued. Just like you know better than me how everything works in the German locale.
How information is presented is a big criteria to make content more readable. No one likes walls of texts because it’s very hard to read 20 lines of textblocks. We should always try to divide texts into meaningful paragraphs, add sub-headlines, add tables to visualize content etc. BBCode has so many options. And of course, we should also avoid pyramid quotes. Many idiots still do this. In our local board, applying our local langage is very important. Bitcointalk has always been a very educated place and who really wants to read loads of illiterate gibberish, where so many spelling errors, punctuation errors, awful Denglish, inappropraite words or similar bullshit is written. GazetaBitcoin has agreed to this, and it's hard to think about any reason, why we should not recommend to apply our local languages properly at a high level. |
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This fact alone shows we need much more Merit (sources) to reward good Gambling topics. Has anyone ever analyzed how many Merit sources come regularly to the gambling section? Could be an interesting task to look up in DdmrDdmr's Merit dashboard. From what I know, LFC_Bitcoin is actively distributing Merit in our Gambling section but it's not enough of course. From all sections, Gambling seems to be the biggest one, overtaking Altcoin Discussion and Bitcoin Discussion after especially in Bitcointslk's Altcoin, activity declined due to bankrupt shitcoins. And we have so many different Gambling topics, it's close impossible to impossible for even 5 Merit sources to notice every post. Of course, Gambling section is 95%+ of posts not deserving any Merit, too. |
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+1 I tried to adapt this topic as much as possible for the Russian community and have already received the expected criticism.
Don't be discouraged because a few (possibly) uneducated but (at least) shitpost apologists or even low-level posters have appeared there and tried to belittle our campaign. It happened in my local board as well: the most butthurt offenders will show up there and belittle any effort to increase posting quality. It's nothing unexpected and it's a good sign that our topic is overdue. I've addressed the criticism here more in detail because it's off-topic in AOBT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409763.msg62911675#msg62911675
It might appear that some sorts of translations are causing indeed a considerable amount of discomfort, especially "advertising" translations. We had some experts in our local board. And I've had discussions with our incompetent moderator @mole0815 in the past as well but that was only because he didn't move them into the appropriate sub-section (project development, as we don't have a sub-section for project ANNs). In my opinion, "advertising" translations are legitimate* but should be posted in a section, where they belong and are not offensive. 1miau, no one (including me) is saying that advertising translations are something bad. My proposal initially was that translators of service announcements should also at least once test the service they are writing about. ... Well, any sort of "advertising" translations getting offered here (or not getting offered) is not my issue because I'm not a member of AOBT. Porifiiri even opposed it from what I can see. But maybe we can have a clarification what this post should achieve? I don't want to misinterpret it and that's why I've only cited the most obvious parts. To keep it on-topic here, I would like to suggest to keep the discussion about our posting quality campaign in the dedicated topics. |
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zasad finished the first translation of our campaign thread, for Russian local board.
Yes, it's nice to see and I've asked him to announce it here, so I'm sure he'll also say a few words.
Unfortunately, instead of evaluating how posting quality could get improved, a few (obviously butthurt) shitposters and their friends appeared in the translated topic and didn't spare with unconstructive criticism. Also, to give zasad@ an appropriate answer to counter these unhelpful posts, I would like to address all points brought up there (legitimate ones and not legitimate ones): satscraper alleged that:  Well, if he had read a bit further, he would know what's meant with "avoid unnecessary Denglish" / "Romglish" etc.: I'm glad you defined "Denglisch", because I had no idea what that is, and the link to the wiki page is all in German (which I can't read).
Oh, sorry. I've missed to remove the German link, when it was copied from our local board. Here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denglisch"Denglish" is, when people are too lazy to translate properly and are using English words instead, even when there's a known German translation for. Denglisch is a term describing the increased use of anglicisms and pseudo-anglicisms in the German language. It is a portmanteau of the German words Deutsch (German) and Englisch. The term is first recorded from 1965. Same for "Romglish" but native language is Romanian. So, avoiding unnecessary Denglish is only valid for words, when there's a known and common translation in our native language. Even in German, I wouldn't call words "Shitcoin", "Fork" (if a Blockchain split like BCH or BSV is meant) or similar Blockchain-specific words (if there's no common translation available). Maybe it's a bit different for Russian and of course, advocating to select Russian words instead of (avoidable English ones) might appear in a bad light since Putler invaded Ukraine. But regarding this, keep one thing in mind: It's far better to go after Putler than not to apply the Russian language properly. Ukrainians die from Putin's unnecessary war every day but no people die from applying the Russian language correctly... For our German laguage, I can only tell that it's just common sense to think a bit, if there's a common translation available and APPLY THE TRANSLATION.
Ratimov alleged that:  While I believe, important parts can be lost in translation, I only want to address outright false statements here: It's wrong that our campaign didn't achieve anything positive. Obviously, Ratimov hasn't read anything in our original topic. Because our topic has 100% support in our Romanian section and PrivacyG's very positive reception. In our German section, we have positive examples like CoinEraser and it's a fact that posts have gotten better. Less pyramid quotes, less spam, less unnecessary Denglish (also, because I'm deleting this in my topics), more interesting giveaways, especially from Turbartuluk (GazetaBitcoin can confirm it) and that's only what our campaign achieved so far. It's still a project to keep expanding and as we can see now, our topic was brought to the Russian section as well. About Ratimov's crazy accusation that there's "nothing useful in that topic" and "that he didn't see any practical advice", it's an outright lie. Our whole topic is giving important advice how to improve posting quality. Because common mistakes like pyramid quotes are still an issue. People are lazy and we need to remind them about it again and again. If that's not enough, repeated offenders need to be excluded from any additional Merits (and those who show good posting quality should be rewarded, because rewarding good posts is how MERIT is intended to work), offenders should get their shitposts deleted or, like from actmyname, get a neutral trust. My whole topic consists of common advice what to to better and the past has shown, that these problems, which are brought up in my topic, are far from being solved. Our topic is one approach of many to improve Bitcointalk. After all, a reply like from Ratimov is suggesting a very dangerous viewpoint: that we can't do anything about posting quality at all, that shitposting is getting normailzed, that all effort to increase posting quality is wasted time (it's not true at all) and even that advocating for a better posting quality would be "spam". LOL... At this point, I just hope that Google Translate made massive errors because what Ratimov alleged here is insanely wrong.
The most stupid take is coming from shitpost apologist light_warrior:  At this point, I don't need to add much more, he's just what we've seen in the German section as well: a pitiful shitpost apologist, who's extremely butthurt that zasad@ dared to encourage a better posting quality. Because we all know what shitposters and their friends don't like: being exposed. Let's see if he's courageous enough to reply here and explain his pro-shitposting bullshit. We will promise to give shitposters and their friends a hard time. But of course, it's important to mention that there were also constructive posts like from Etranger or witcher_sense. I've rewarded these comments with Merit. |
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Aber auch MicroStrategy wird durch den aktuellen Durchschnittseinkaufspreis in 2 Jahren ein großes Grinsen auf dem Gesicht haben.
Naja, das wissen wir ja jetzt noch nicht, wo der Preis in 2 Jahren steht. Sonst könnte ja jeder einen Kredit aufnehmen und sich dann in 2 Jahren über (zumindest in Deutschland auch noch steuerfreie) Gewinne freuen. Und wenn MicroStrategy das jetzt groß ankündigen würde und es würde nicht eintreten, wäre das natürlich nicht optimal. Natürlich hoffen wir aber, dass der Bitcoinpreis in 2 Jahren signifikant höher steht als er es heute tut, was die vergangene Preisentwicklung zudem nahe legt (aber natürlich nicht sicher vorhersagbar ist). |
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Regarding this - well, if there would be a merit source on the boards, people might be incentivized to open more interesting threads, with more content and maybe some interesting links in the OP - instead of just opening another 'what to do when losing' thread every few days.
It can't reduce spam, it can improve the quality though. Then increased quality brings more quality in the form of better replies etc. Gradually, it decreases the % of spam posts that have no value whatsoever. Well, hopefully at least.
One particular type of post / topic I could imagine to attract more Merit are community contests, like ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐. Or creating prediction pools, where organizing a sponsor is part of the deal, like bringing a Signature Campaign into Bitcointalk. It's beneficial for everyone if it's a good deal. We still don't have any pools for sports like NFL, NBA or MLB, which could be interesting in my opinion (just as an idea). Or mixed sports events like BSFL is arranged like. We have so many betting sites here on Bitcointalk, so much potential to uncover. Sponsoring a prediction pool is probably much better used money than to pay for spam in a sigspam megathread. Merit could cause a shift towards more of such incentives, where also more sponsors are involved. People could share their strategies, dedicate more time to Gambling topics and (for self-moderated posts) remove spam as well. There are many ideas and I'm sure a Merit source could be key to incentivice good ideas. For example, I'm still completely baffled why I'm the one who gave the most Merit (4) to cryptofrka's and Trofo's ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐. It's so much work to arrange it and keep it updated. This fact alone shows we need much more Merit (sources) to reward good Gambling topics. |
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That's a short sum-up of what happened.
Wow, what happened here? It's really sad to see such comments. I would like to clarify some points about the current situation. First, I'm happy to have your viewpoints here and it's already nice to see, that we can get into a solution. Just some points from my side because I believe it's just a big misunderstanding: 1. You know, there is a type of people who are capable of finding a problem out of nowhere and inflating it to cosmic proportions. At the same time, creating conditions for differences in provocations and the spread of gossip. Such people will continue to provoke, even realizing that this will lead to absolutely nothing; for them this is already a kind of excitement, a game. It’s just that people who try to play such games do not take into account the fact that one day they may come across a person who will react to their provocative games differently than they expect.
If that part is intended to be addressed against GazetaBitcoin, I have to say it's entirely different from what I've experienced. Unfortunately, we have a lot of trolls and abusers here on Bitcointalk and maybe some of these trolls got offended by being called out by GazetaBitcoin and GazetaBitcoin had "to pay the prize" for calling them out (= getting baseless rants from these trolls all day, like our perv Timelord). It happened to me as well and these trolls can come out in a strong force. It's a common thing how trolls operate, when being called out, these trolls try to run amok and cause big upheaval. 2. It doesn’t remind me of anything, let’s look back 3 years and remember the old schizophrenic nullius, who is famous for his delusional statements addressed to almost all trusted users:
We all know that nullius is an idiot and an abuser himself (I've left him a negative trust as well), when he lost his mind completely by negatively tagging fillippone. nullius should be nowhere near DT (not even member of DT2), while GazetaBitcoin has proven to be a valuable DT1 member in my opinion and I appreciate it to have Ratimov in DT1 as well, that's why I hope the issue can be settled in a positive way. 3. It might appear that some sorts of translations are causing indeed a considerable amount of discomfort, especially "advertising" translations. We had some experts in our local board. And I've had discussions with our incompetent moderator @mole0815 in the past as well but that was only because he didn't move them into the appropriate sub-section (project development, as we don't have a sub-section for project ANNs). In my opinion, "advertising" translations are legitimate* but should be posted in a section, where they belong and are not offensive. * also depends on which site / service / shitcoin / scam etc. is advertised
As for resolving the conflict, there is only one solution, this is to roll back the system to September 24, 2023, 05:39:45 PM, that is, how everything was at that time.
+1 I'm hopeful, that we can just settle it here, everyone remove distributed negative trusts and is nice again. As a DT1 member, everyone has a skin thick enough to sort it out. And we can continue here to be on-topic because it's [AOBT] discussion here. |
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Of course, I can totally understand you because I can imagine it is really difficult...
I just meant an additional column for Merit per post ratio for that specific board.
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Within this table there are 3 different Leaderboards: - russian post leaderboard comes from ninjastic.space - russian merit leaderbord comes from merit dashboard - to get the last column i need to feed the merit dashboard with the names from the 2nd leaderboard and switch to all boards, the names are now the same but the order is different (sorted downwards by all merits) -> i need to reorder them manually which took me nearly as much time as getting the data for 1st + 2nd leaderbord Okay, now I know where's your issue. You are taking both sets of data from different sites (ninjastic.space and Merit Dashboard) and since each data point is in a different "position" in your Excel file, it's extremely difficult to link these data points. Probably, it's best to keep your table as it is but not sure here, if it's just too time consuming anyways. It's up to you if you want to offer such a table as it is (from your example above). If you can help me to improve my process and solve those problems, i will enjoy to implement some more columns or data. Unfortunately, I'm not a coder, so I can't help. But maybe a coder will chime in here and give his opinion how to solve it. |
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Do you think local boards have poor posting quality? In some ways I don't see it that way
It's difficult to say "local board xy has poor posting quality". Because we need to have a nucanced view here. It's a known fact that shitposters are active in all local boards (except inactive ones). Maybe because it's more difficult for Campaign Managers to review such posts. Maybe... But on the other hand, many local boards have quality posters, too. Maybe because it's easier for someone to write quality content in their native language (removes language barrier). Maybe... We have reasons for and against. So, we need to have a nucanced view. What we should do for sure: improve posting quality for local boards. It's never wrong to look out, where we can improve. |
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When I look from my point of view 14th place isn't good for me at all. After winning this pool last year I was hoping to be in top 3 this season as well.
Well, it's still time and 6 races are a lot. Maybe, we'll get some surprises or you'll get 2 podiums right in a row and you are back in Top 10. An issue to watch can be engine penalties because on some tracks, I expect some drivers to take an engine change, where getting 10 places grid penalty can definitely make a difference. It's really close and we need to make good predictions every round. |
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And I've updated Spiral / Blyss in our old version as well now. Yay! I did the same for the old version of the table translated in Romanian. +1 I've added a blank space in front of our sub and it's now displayed correctly:
Here's a code for you to copy But I already fixed the issue, haven't I presented you above the two possible fixes? Lol, sorry. When writing my post yesterday, it's been a bit late obviously because I've copied it several times in a wrong way into my reply / tab old version / tab new version, I just had too many tabs open. Sorry for confusion. At least, it's how it should be now. |
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