I seriously doubt you'll ever get many "good" answers to questions in the exchange troll boxes. They're mostly used by people to manipulate others into buying or selling coins based on half truths.  After all, they are called "troll" boxes.  lol.  Nor can you use what people say on twitter since the majority of those are used for the same purposes.

Oh good lord.  So I addressed Otto's issues both in the thread and in a PM.  Since then there's been nothing but posts with name calling etc.  He hasn't posted anything about those things since he PM'd me and I answered his questions.  He appears to be a newbie to crypto and had some valid concerns cause he doesn't understand certain things.

I couldn't get the new wallet to work on the XP system I use for running most wallets either so have been using the old one.  Not concerned though as I'm sure the devs will be able to "fix" whatever problem I'm having once I make it over to IRC.  Funny thing is that I tried to install the XST wallet today and it won't work either.  I don't get it really as I have probably 15 other wallets that work just fine but I figure it has to do with that QT4/QT5 which most wallets don't use.  Interestingly I found this thread regarding people having problems making XP compatible releases with QT http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/27448

I had posted some stuff here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681725.msg9148578#msg9148578

Didn't save the links to the papers that talked about alternate/improved methods to the Fujisaki paper.

Nothing can be done about how many coins are already out there now.  It's my perspective that the initial coin, before TrollByFire came on board, was heading a much different direction than now and changes are being made to remedy that with things like the block reward change coming up.  Yes, there are going to be people that are going to dump their coins.  That will lead to a better distribution but will take some time to play out.


I don't think you know how PoS works.  PoS "typically" creates new coins so it never really runs out, there's just a lot less of them being "mined".  And that's one of the reasons that people stake with their wallet, to get those coins.  Another method is that "staking" (typically called forging in other coins like NXT), has the person get the transaction fees as a reward for staking with their wallets.  Now at this point, we don't know what method TrollByFire is actually implementing only that there will be some form of PoS.  I for one would like to see one of the new and improved type PoS methods with at least a 2% rate. Having said that, I know of another "forging" type coin where people have setup nodes and get a lot of coins due to the transaction fees.  But that just rewards those that can afford to run nodes and have a lot of coins already, something I would not like to see happen with this coin.


In what way? As far as I know, the only things that's changed at this point is PoS swapping places with Tor which I completely agree with as it's more important as far as I'm concerned right now.


TrollByFire is the dev working on the features. Whether or not some of the planned features or something new will be done by someone else they hire, is yet to be determined and not all that important either at this point.


I feel like you're panicking about the current price volatility.  I would suggest that either you get out of your investment or you buckle your seatbelt as I predict there will be more ups and downs over the next month or so.  Look at any coin and that's just the way it is.

Frankly, I don't know what has got you all riled up.  Development takes time.  As shown with the attempt to lower the block reward quickly, you have to make your changes and then test the shit out of it before actually releasing something.  You simply can't roll out code changes every few days to just placate people that think everything can be done quickly and are only interested in the current price of the coin.  You've been in this thread for awhile now but you don't seem to actually be paying attention to what's going on.  That's the only reason I can think of for some of your comments that are clearly in error.

Perhaps create the config file listed in the OP and/or delete the blockchain and try again.

Apparently I am since I forgot that Chandran sigs are in fact "Sub-linear Ring Signatures Without Random Oracles" and I found a paper that shows how to make them traceable etc.  Not to mention a few papers that offer improvements and/or alternative methods to that paper.  lol

Allrighty.  So I found this which, if I'm understanding all the technical talk (and there's a good chance I'm not), says that you can make them traceable etc. Given that's from 2011, there's probably been some advancements since then

http://books.google.com/books?isbn=3642190731

In particular, section 5 and section 6.

Perhaps the devs could comment on that.

There also seems to be a paper out there "Sub-linear size traceable ring signatures without random oracles" which I can't seem to find the complete text to.  However, I've found references in other documents that theorize improvements or alternatives to it that makes it appear to apply to Chandran signatures.  One of it's authors is Eiichiro Fujisaki.  Interestingly, I found a post that said something along the lines of the CN method being "inspired" by that paper.

So, can you point out to me where you are getting the information that it can't be done?

Something has been going on with a lot of coins this week.  I have a script where I've set what I felt was a "floor" for a lot of coins and all I'm seeing is a sea of red.  Soooo many coins have just dropped a hell of a lot in the last few days.

I'll be blunt.  The devs not responding is not a good thing.  Look at how many pages have been filled with this stuff.  There are many of us that want to hear real technical answers to things and don't get them.  For example, I want to know what the size of the transactions will be with low mixes compared to CN coins as opposed to those given in the whitepaper as a selling point for chandran sigs.  When I brought it up before, I was labeled a troll/fuder etc and got no answers.

When I asked real question about BTCD, jl777 answered me.  When I asked questions about SDC, the dev answered me.  Fact is, I could list a few more coins where the dev actually answered my questions but in here, all you get is posts about how this is the second coming and posts get buried with images.

Granted, unlike this guy, I didn't go into those other threads and come out saying it was crap and vaporware, but still, some of us would like some real technical discussions and when we don't see any, it does not reflect well on the coin and the devs.

Perhaps.  The block reward will be halving from 400 to 200 in the next day or two which should help.  v1.2, which I think is when they'll do the new block reward structure, will definitely help.  However, we're going into the weekend and a lot of coins tend to go down on the weekends.

His point was that anyone that listened to you would have lost out.  Doesn't matter if you're up or not, your advice should not be heeded.

Sooo.. You're saying that CN does not use "plain ring signatures" and they are linkable/traceable in CN?  I'm confused as to what exactly you're saying.

As for what the dev of XST is implementing, I don't remember seeing any specific details in the white paper and so from where are you getting your details.  You said "implying" so I would take that to mean you're just assuming he's doing it in a way that could not be implemented or is there something that points it out clearly?

As I said, I like facts.  When I read about chandran signatures in XST, I went out and asked some that would know the facts since that sort of information is lacking in this thread.   So I'd like to know where you're getting your information from that clarifies things as fact as opposed to supposition.

So I've been watching the drama of you saying this over and over again.  Can you share with me who those crypto people are that are saying it can't be done?  Where's a technical thread discussing it?  Cause a few weeks back I had an exchange with a Monero dev about chandran sigs and he said they were looking into it for Monero.  Basically, he said that, although the reduced size for chandran sigs is true for large mixes, it's not true for small ones (the white paper was written in a misleading way to present things in a better light).  Thus, they were looking at potentially using them for large mix transactions and continuing to use the ring signatures for small ones.  Sooooo.  If they're looking at chandran sigs and, at least at that point, they believed they were viable, I'd like to know who these other people are that say they're not.

Note: I'm not one of the XST cult members and have been labeled a troll and FUDer by this community.  But I like to know the facts of things regardless of what thread I can get them from.

Wow, some nice fud the last few pages from people that want a P&D coin and don't have any clue as to what it takes to develop something so I'll offer my perspective.

The roadmap "dates" are immaterial.  Things on that list will be delayed, they will switch places and some will be dropped and new things added. That's the nature of development as new ideas come out and/or you hit difficulties.  All that matters is that there is constant progress even if it's slow at times.  And it will be slow at times as the dev tackles some of the more difficult features.  That's going to cause the price to fluctuate as the day traders and those in the coin for quick profits manipulate things.  That's natural and anyone investing in the coin needs to understand that and ignore all those that will come in the thread whining about it.  I'll be blunt though.  As someone that has a lot of development experience, when I look at the roadmap, I believe that many of the items on there will get shifted by a couple weeks as the development time for some of them feel too short to me.  IMO things will stretch out to more like Feb 2015 for the completion of all the listed features.

Yes, right now LTCD doesn't offer much but it's the devs (TrollByFire) vision that is important here.  Outside the features outlined, what's more important is that he's developing a coin that is more akin to being plug and play.  The features are being developed in a modular manner with the Difficulty shield being the first part of that.  If a new difficulty method was needed, it's just a matter of dropping in a replacement.  Once Tor is done, if there are issues with it or it needs a security upgrade, you drop in a new module.  Adding new features down the road also becomes more along the lines of dropping in a new module which, although not always a given, would not require recompiling the core.

PoS vs Tor switching places.  Anyone that thinks Tor is somehow more important than PoS, is only interested in the coins current price and short term profits.  PoS is an important step (along with the block reward change), towards long term stability and viability of the coin.  As such it's very important it gets done "now".  Based on a conversation I had with the dev a couple weeks ago, it's also my understanding that this will be a "new" method that will improve upon some of the issues inherent in PoS coins that are based on the old "coin age" method in coins like Peercoin.  The one thing I really don't like though is that the whitepaper says 0%.  Coins will be lost etc as time progresses and IMO there needs to be some marginal rate along the lines of 2%.

Reward change.  Ok, yeah, that's been a bit of a mess.  First there was the failed implementation but that sort of thing will happen at times.   Interestingly, there was 3 or so other coins that had block chain issues and even a coin hack at the same time.  One of those took a couple weeks of the network basically being down to get fixed.  Since then there's been the miscommunication about when it would finally be implemented since the initial announcement about the wallet update said it was a mandatory update which many took to mean it included the block reward change.  Well that shit happens especially with a new team that are learning how to communicate with each other.  But it does not mean that somehow the dev isn't implementing it as some have suggested.

To sum up, when you're writing new code and/or changing the underlaying code, development takes time and cannot be predicted to exact dates.  If you want to invest in a coin, then invest in the dev, his vision, and the strength of the community.  If you're looking to "get rich quick", find a pump and dump coin.

I'm not all that familiar with reddit, but is there also some advantage to having 200 subscribers? Does it get listed somewhere special or something?

So many ways to scam people.  Gotta love crypto.

And apparently, given what just happened with Dark, you can't find them even if you're a respected "top" dev reviewing actual code.  lol

If Monero has potential exploits and is a CN coin, would not BBR also have those potential exploits? In which case why do you support it?

Just discovered you can mine the coin via the wallet (was in one of the update notes on github so I assume it's working even with the wallet locked etc).  Course.  I seriously doubt you could get anything given the hash rate and difficulty but it's still "fun" to think you might get lucky.  lol