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961  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Provably Fair Online Poker by Dabs (Beta Test 1) on: September 20, 2013, 06:50:45 PM
Incidentally, a game in which every provably fair dealer was also a player would avoid a lot of legal issues, especially in the U.S., where the primary illegality of an "illegal gambling operation" is some business collecting a rake.  With no rake and players playing with each other fairly, especially when it's provable, there is no crime in most jurisdictions.

Sorry I haven't participated in the games to date, but I'd hate causing delays.
962  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 20, 2013, 01:57:05 AM
i don't think it ever was or is a good method of payment online.  It is great for privacy and wealth storage but not for handing out loans which is basically what a pre-order is.

From a vendor standpoint, it is a perfect medium of exchange.  The seller can be entirely assured of being paid.  Unfortunately, from the buyer perspective, the non-repudiation aspect means you have to trust the vendor, though the vendor doesn't have to trust you.  This is nothing unusual in payment contexts.  After all, cash money is just like this (unless there is a very good counterfeiter out there). 

The fact is that using Bitcoin requires a bit of intelligence on the user end.
963  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: September 18, 2013, 01:59:51 AM

nothing worth quoting

The fact that you are completely incompetent at even responding adequately on a web forum tells me all I need to know about how useful anything you can do in the real world is.

*plonk*

Welcome to my lengthy ignore list.  Idiot.
964  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: September 17, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
cp1 I don't have time for such mundane things like clicking on websites. I think you understand that already.

I'm surprised more of you haven't gone to their offices in person if you are aware of their address....

So you're not in for "mundane" things like doing your fucking job in the most minimal manner possible, like finding out the address of the subject of the story, but you expect us to believe you'll do a good job at a story.

How about a nice hot cup of go fuck yourself?
965  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 15, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Mining rigs are the worst scam in the Bitcoin community, thinking logically what prevents the manufacturers from premining with their own rigs, upping the difficulty to a significant point where it is no longer incredibly profitable to mine with their own rigs and only then shipping?

Only their own integrity, if they have any.  I would only trust a vendor who delivered by a date certain and had a track record of doing so.  Pre-orders of an item like this are for suckers.  The BFL debacle shows this clearly.
966  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: September 15, 2013, 12:20:18 AM
This doesn't appear to be good news for BFL.  I believe enough complaints were lodged with the state AG for them to open the file and do some preliminary "investigation".  I also believe they found enough validity in the complaints to warrant this going to the next level.  It appears that the state AG has determined that the appropriate course of action here is to suggested that the local DA "address" the issue.

I wouldn't get my hopes up.  It has a form letter look like they're basically punting it.  "May be more appropriately addressed" is pretty weak language.

It could mean they view this as a criminal fraud rather than a simple consumer protection issue, but it reads more to me like simple bureaucratic buck-passing.

I wouldn't stop filing complaints with both agencies, though.  Anyone who has not already filed a complaint with the AG (and wants to) should go ahead and do it regardless, but should perhaps also contact the DA in this letter.  Anyone who already got an "official" brush-off from the AG should continue to follow up with the DA.
967  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: September 13, 2013, 06:09:16 PM
3)  Beta Mac / Beta Linux clients coming soon [yes some Alphas are floating around / not releasing anything ATM]

Sweet.  Looking forward to that and will gladly give input on it when it comes out.  While I do have one laptop with Windows on it, it's usually up as Mint Linux and I just can't stand Windows at this point.
968  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: September 11, 2013, 06:45:59 PM

While I still think it is worth a couple minutes to do this, don't expect anything to amount from it other than wasting an about equal time from some BFL slimeball to come up with some transparent lie that the BBB will mindlessly accept.  It will force them to keep paying the BBB their bribes to keep a good rating, at least.  But as others (including me) have pointed out, the BBB is basically a scam operation itself.
969  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: September 11, 2013, 06:44:21 PM
I didn't realize hu krill is 4.5 times the nine player. Sigh shame that there is no money hu as everyone is solid.

Yes, there is a name for anyone who joins a table with some guy who is on a dozen other 1/2 tables lurking like an ant lion.  That's sucker.  The increased krill, though, means that if you do find something you're marginally better than, the effective rake is a lot less, especially if you're working toward that 50k krill freeroll.
970  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [SOLVED] Do not upgrade Google Authenticator (iPhone), you will lose keys! on: September 09, 2013, 12:54:11 AM
I can confirm that the new update fixes the problem, even if you've already restored from backup.  I would guess from this that whatever error Google made, it resulted in in inability to read stored keys rather than their destruction.
971  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: September 08, 2013, 05:26:23 AM
Google apparently fixed their screwup.  I assume a successful login cancels removal of the authenticator?
972  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: Do not upgrade Google Authenticator (iPhone), you will loose keys! on: September 07, 2013, 04:27:35 AM
Sorry to insist, but those who use Google Auth without a backup (paper or otherwise) shouldn't be allowed to use anything regarding digital finance.

WTF does digital finance have to do with something I only use for a single poker account, where the removal of Authenticator basically takes a week?  I only use it with Seals With Clubs because I never terribly trusted it, because I don't keep substantial amounts of money there, and because it is easy enough to remove.

Anything substantial stays in an offline wallet with both an electronic and paper backup in a secure location.

Anyone at Google who released an "upgraded" that universally trashes all keys is the one who should be barred from ever rolling out another product again.  Even a single test of this "upgrade" done before releasing it on a single device that previously had it would have made it blindingly obvious that it should not be released in its current form.

There are far better alternatives in any event, like Authy.

In my only previous experience with multi-factor stuff like this, it was to enter a workplace, where it was a physical dongle combined with a keypad entry.  And any other place I have had to use shit like this in the workplace (briefly), it was a firing offense to back it up in any way, on paper or in any other form.
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: Do not upgrade Google Authenticator (iPhone), you will loose keys! on: September 05, 2013, 02:47:20 AM
Nope.  None of it worked.  Even after deleting and doing an app-specific restore, installing the old version of GA, the keys are still gone, apparently irretrievably.  The whole fucking point of 2-factor is to keep the other factor solely on one physical object.  I'd be a lot more pissed if I had real money involved.  Google shouldn't just do shit they apparently have no fucking clue how to do correctly.
974  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: September 05, 2013, 02:24:52 AM
Community Service Message - Do not update your google authenticator it will wipe your keys and you may not be able to access your account

Thanks for the warning after it already happened. 

Anyone have a clue how to fix this bullshit?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287459.msg3077955#msg3077955

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287459.msg3083091#msg3083091

None of this shit worked.  At least one of them should have worked, but nope.

No big panic, because I assume Seals isn't just going to steal our money, but those of us who used Google Authenticator are currently screwed.

Any fix planned? 
975  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: Do not upgrade Google Authenticator (iPhone), you will loose keys! on: September 05, 2013, 12:12:03 AM
I thought the secret code/QR code would recover any "lost" google auth issues.

So as long as I have a backup of the QR code used to generate a working Google Authenticator token... it really doesn't matter what Google does, I can always get some copy of Authenticator from somewhere at some time and I can simply rescan and log in to Bitstamp or Mt. Gox, or whatever...

Is this a correct assessment?

Yes it is. In fact you should have a paper backup (just print the QR code) of ALL your Google Auth tokens.

I guess I should have a Post-It note with all my passwords pasted to my monitor too.
976  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: September 04, 2013, 10:07:23 PM
Community Service Message - Do not update your google authenticator it will wipe your keys and you may not be able to access your account

Thanks for the warning after it already happened. 

Anyone have a clue how to fix this bullshit?
977  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: September 01, 2013, 11:36:44 PM
978  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Provably Fair Online Poker by Dabs (Beta Test 1) on: September 01, 2013, 11:28:37 PM
These people have replied on this thread.

1. cparsley
2. darkmule
3. vlees
4. dooglus
5. gektek

Kindly state the following:
0. Are you playing? or just watching?
1. What game do you like? Default = Texas Hold'em as in most poker sites.
2. What is your buy-in or stakes or whatever you want?
3. Would you like just 1 hand, or you all play several hands until someone has everything?
4. Where do you want to sit? First come first serve. Available seats are numbered 1 to 5 (or more) with the first 1 is where the dealer button will be or rather the one who gets the first card dealt.

My problem is I can't really reliably state what I'm doing.  My stakes would be something on the order of a few bitmills.  I'm just kind of disgusted with poker at the moment and can't be reliable.  I'd say 10 bitmills or so. 

My preference would be something like a sit and go.  Because I can't really reliably show up.
979  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: August 28, 2013, 10:00:37 AM
FFF-ETRSRFS1E!S
FFF-F12RTFAEART
FFF-!SATS21RFAT

I signed up as Dabs, how do I use that? (Or did someone else take it already?)

After you type the code in on your user page, you log in to the client and should be automagically registered for the tournament, which will go off whenever the last space fills.
980  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: August 25, 2013, 10:58:31 PM
Are you implying that we should file a class action lawsuit against BFL to win our money back and make Bitcoin look a little more organized?

I'm in!

Actually, no.  Unless you know good class action counsel.  Even to file such a suit, you generally need a lawyer with previous experience in such cases because just to get a class action lawsuit into a court, you need to certify both the class and the lawyer as being qualified to represent such a class. 

Also, in an alarming number of class action cases, the only ones who make any money out of it are the lawyers.  Class members get something ridiculous, like a buck or a bunch of coupons from the very company that ripped them off in the first place.  Do you want to wait a few years for a nickel or a certificate for $10 off a vaporware "Monarch" unit?
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