I own no xmr.  My posts should back this.  It's the more interesting anon coin to me atm due to cryptonote.

If you want an effective method to argue against it - read up on what happened yesterday that forked it without needing any hashing power by exploiting cryptonote bugs.

Or the size of the blockchain.  And the fact that it needs GBs of ram.

Or that the developers that wrote and understand the original source are likely the ones attacking XMR

Or that all of the devs agree the core code written in C with no comments is incredibly dangerous and they don't fully comprehend it.

Sr accounts can go for a few btc in the marketplace.  No idea why it's allowed


+1

You will be missed.  Thank you for summarizing the information you have here.  More people follow you than you know - I have no doubt you'll be back some day even if with a different handle.

Godspeed.

I'm really unsure of what else to say.  It's a bad idea to invest in a closed source coin that claims world class anon when one of the three devs has repeatedly lied and defrauded dozens of customers out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and the entire XC team continues to back and defend him?

It isn't your problem if you are content with everything I suppose.  I just find it odd that you are.

Maybe I'm just sour grapes (happens when someone cheats you out of thousands of dollars with lies).  I'd planned on letting this go even though Jasinlee likes the world to think he's part of your project.  If my goal was strictly spreading FUD against XC I would have posted this long ago.

But then I saw people in XC talking about how he's still associated with the project.

I've pointed out the conflicts of interest between Cache and XC.

Buyer beware?

Teka

While I believe I understand what you are saying - that I need more "proof".  Proof is in the eye of the beholder.  It isn't really up to me or the XC team to decide how much proof is needed to warn investors on a project he's pretty intimately involved with

However.  Promising to deliver a product in May/June, then July, then August.  Then October.  Then refusing to provide any tangible proof that the product (ASIC) was ever worked on.  Then removing the ability to login to a website that has the only ledger or proof of original orders and turning it into a sales pitch for XC/Cachecoin.   And then going AWOL from the project entirely.  I would argue is plenty of proof for any non biased person.

I understand that it is XC's stance that this is not proof enough.  But I'm afraid in this we will have to disagree.  Quite frankly I'm baffled at the responses on here.  Investors have lost hundreds of thousands to your developer.  But the stance of your lead PR is that I am simply spreading FUD.

I am completely at a loss as to why you've chosen to defend, entrench and refuse to even take a close look at the facts presented.  I want as many contemplating jumping into this project to comprehend what they are getting into.  Thank you for your clarification and explanations.

 Let me know if there's anything else I can do.  I'm trying to be honest and upfront here.  Be happy to deal with you even if we disagree as long as you don't waste my efforts to dialog with word games.  If you decide XC has a different official response I will be happy to update the OP.

Fair enough.  I've provided plenty of proof in the raw data frome litecointalk but it sounds like you guys really haven't looked into it much. 

I will post this

There is some talk on taking him on full time in the chat thread.  He used to be listed on their website.  I'm getting conflicting messages - before the tail end of this thread the answer was a resounding YES.  It sounds like they may be backing off now

Teka let me know if there is anything else.

I will be happy to tie all the dots together on why it is toxic to have someone who has misrepresented the truth over and over again involved in a closed source anon coin project since what seems like and obvious problem to me seems to confuse the XC team.  But my goal is not a scam accusation about asics.  It is a warning about jasins involvement in projects where his ethics will cost investors money.

I did as you requested with the title.  I will rephrase the stuff about him writing fresh anon messaging and currency stuff into another coin.  It does seem like a terrible conflict of interest to me since your investors rely on closed source code Jasin has access to.  

Removed scam terminology to be more accurate.

Is jasin a developer for XC?   I choose to leave the OP as accurate and fair as I possibly can.  I will interface with teka if he/she so desires.  You are welcome to carry on your word games with others if they wish to entertain you.

I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.

Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.  

Edit: just realized I did not change the title as you asked.  See if the current one is something you feel is more accurate

You have not read the threads.  According to Jasin all funds were returned to him.

While I can appreciate your wordplay and your interest in defending jasinlee.  If I was an objective investor your replies would scare me off even if the OP did not.

For any others wanting clarification or proof who don't want to read the links I provided post here.  Responses to synchillis are pretty pointless as I'm sure you can tell.

You are not welcome to respond to this.  Even though clowns of your caliber can't keep from it.

A - Person says "Cachecoin is worth .01 bitcoin if you order my ASIC"

B - Person sells their cachecoin they mined months before to you to buy their ASIC using their wife's account.

C - Person has no evidence they ever had an ASIC because the foundry would "cancel the order if they knew it was going to be used for cryptocurrency"

D - Person disabled their website and used it promoted XC

E - Person offers you discount (in cachecoin) that is now worth 0.2% of what it was.

F - Person "runs out of refund money" for people who paid in bitcoin and litecoin.

This is the calliber "red flag" we are talking about for those thinking about investing in XC.

The thing is - Jasin is selling cryptophi as one third of the page he used to have where we logged in for our pre-orders.  It might be old news to you guys.  It's what we see EVERY TIME we go to check on orders that mount into the tens of thousands of dollars.

That it's "old news" is not exactly what we want to hear.  I assume he used it for filler?  The fact remains - it links XC and Fibonacci and Jasin all together extremely tightly.  Which even you've admitted to.  

While you may see it as an attack on XC.  I see it as a warning about the type of developers XC is happy to keep on their team, defend, support and be supported by.  Names are EVERYTHING in crypto.  People WILL lose money on XC if Jasin is involved.  I can almost garuntee it.  

Most people didn't have a clue about him using innerchains on both coins.  Most people don't know anything about cachecoin, or that he owns half of it, or that he plans on putting the features (albiet the technical underlying code may be different) that are in XC into cachecoin.

My warning about him being a scammer is a testament to his character.  If it's not cachecoin it'll be something else.  But where Jasin goes people WILL lose money and they WILL be left holding the bag.

You may view it as an attack.  I view it as a warning.

I tried to remove slimy reference in the dialog (think I got them all - I was accused of having no reading comprehension so negative comments go both ways).  I'll take out any other derogatory references you would like.  


Your chat thread is talking about taking him on full time ... or mentioning it.

This thread was meant as a warning.  Not an "attack on XC".  People should invest elsewhere if Jasin is heavily involved in this project which he is.  

My statements about you guys being slimey was when you started telling organizer he had no business attacking jasin if he didn't get scammed.  I'll go back thru and try to pull out everything.

I stand by my wordplay deal with the other guy.  And my slimy statement (this is an opinion and not something that can be backed with fact)  I think he's slimy.  I don't want to deal with it.

If there are others too lazy to reference the threads that prove my points to be fact than I will be happy to answer questions for them.  I'm not wasting my time with wordplay.


I will mention his name and say a developer.  Also I don't think he's a developer for cache although heavily involved so I'll make it accurate.  Does current title look ok?

I'll respond to Teka's questions (within reason as far as time it takes me) unless he pisses me off too.  Also I will respond to anyone from the XC thread unless they're just using wordplay and throwing up straw men by saying there is no evidence - and try to simply deflect and use word play the way synechist has.  

I have no intention of turning this into something too large to back up - I created a summary and then provided the raw evidence to back each piece up very adequately.  Which point would you like me to back up Teka?

Each of my numbered points on my latest post is very easy to verify.  The threads are linked on litecointalk.

I will no longer waste time dealing with synechist's wordplay (I would suggest others do the same)

I will repeat for anyone reading.  I WILL backup ANY ACCUSATION I have made.  But synechist is using a wordplay and trying to redirect in ways I'm not willing to waste my time and effort to deal with..  Ask in the thread - you will get answers.

Interesting you mention that.  There were no email orders (according to the dozens of sockpuppets attacking jasin at litecointalk).  And we used to be able to log into fibonacci.io and look at our orders/shares.  Now we can't because it's dedicated to XCurrency.  So unless the sockpuppets took screenshots - probably no proof.  Right?

I have PLENTY - every one of my BULLETED accusations can be backed up.

I agree - you do have more trust / longer rating than I do.  So did jasinlee (probably still does on the bitcoin forum.  He's been around a long time/doing trades.)  

When you say "Why do you care - he didn't take YOUR money this is pointless" then yeah.  

I care about scams when I don't lose money.  If it's related to your project - you should care too.

Dude.  The proof that he promised it?  You want me to go dig thru and quote him each time from the litecoin thread?  It's plain as day.

Each one of those points is backed up in the OP's thread.  If anyone with more than 20 posts besides synchillis asks for proof from those points I will do the work to dig up Jasin's posts and the counter posts and blah blah blah on here.

Line.  By line.  By line.

As someone in charge of defending XC who doesn't give a shit about scammers and thinks it's "unethical FUD" to call them out if they didn't scam you individually.  I have no desire to do any of synchillis legwork for him.

I posted plenty of proof in the threads of the OP.  It will turn into a massive, and I mean MASSIVE thread that will mostly be duplicated.

Anybody else interested enough to make me do the work who thinks I have not provided enough evidence (please have more than 20 posts so I know you aren't a sockpuppet) I will be MORE THAN HAPPY to do the legwork.



Send someone else.  You are not judge, jury and trial here.  You've a vested interest in defending Jasinlee and XC and have stated yourself that people are spreading unreasonable FUD if they don't have a personal stake in a scam.

Shut up.  Go away.  Send someone else and I'll do the painstaking legwork of spoonfeeding direct quotes from those threads.