... but their foundation is fragile and very much subject how active regulators will become in the forthcoming years
I support this remark by 100%. The thing is that crypto community has to acknowledge, that compliance (KYC and AML) is coming full force and we'll have to accept it. Otherwise, crypto will not get massive adoption. Current capitalization is still dust in the financial world. Sadly, we (crypto movement) are still quite easy and cheap to get destroyed. They are starting their own blockchain, they have opened FIAT related crypto in Europe. Binance seems to be doing well. |
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The Adab Haraam Exchange censored thread shows the following: " This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (73 posts by 37 users deleted.)" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105530.0 |
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It has to be said regardless of which sites have more/less high rollers and more/less bets -Primedice is doing very well. It is a commercial success.
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 -------------- -------------------------- -------------------------  -------------- -------------------------- ------------------------- Well those reputations belonging to the Rock Trading exchange scam are in tatters  |
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a real "mecenate" sure.... Ok, let's go back to the real problem, @coinfan, is Susana still around? She is the account owner and she must provide requested docs. Is by any chance the reason why you cannot send docs? @jolly, I understand this is business for you but check with your client what is going on..... Thank you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025233.msg50340436;topicseen#newHello guys, I'm watching this thread over a week and I write article about this. I will uptade it with more details. I hope TheRockTrading will "unlock" victim's amount. Here is a link for article https://www.coinmedicate.com/the-rock-trading-selective-scam/ . English is not my native language and please don't flame me for mistakes (kidding). Thank you! Last excuse was that OP had fiat sitting in his account ,which he never asked to withdraw. So my question stands: just holding fiat constitute to kyc in your exchange?
Because I dont believe crypto is really the reason for this kyc. And hiding behind kyc and AML only proves you stuck and don't know where to go with this. Unfortunately centralised services like this are real issue in crypto sphere. You wish to be recognized as tech /crypto place but using some first degree shit kyc and aml excuses to limit people from using their own assets. Or you wish to move away from those handcuffs of old days or you just hiding behind crypto to carry on like use to be with banks etc.
Your name of the service I believe is already damaged, and therefore u behaving this way. Because you know there is nothing more to loose.
That's my opinion. So in your opinion we are all scammers? So how many people have you stolen from using KYC as an excuse? And how much money has Rock Trading stolen in total using KYC as an excuse? |
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So Jolly, what is your fee?? A % of the amount involved or a fix price? You asked the same question in the Italian thread a few minutes ago: Si si attendiamo l'arbitro con impazienza (non sono ironico)
Invece, Jolly, per curiosita' personale, quant'e' la tua tariffa??? Here was the response: il mio tasso è "zero"
Cerco solo di aiutare coloro che sono vittime di truffe e ladri come quelli praticati dal rock trading
quindi quante persone hai rubato usando KYC come scusa?
E quanti soldi ha rubato il Rock Trading usando KYC come scusa?loosely means:my rate is "zero"
I only try to help those who are victims of scams and thieves like those practiced by rock trading
so how many people have you stolen from using KYC as an excuse?
And how much money has Rock Trading stolen using KYC as an excuse?So what are your views on LoyceV and Vod? In your opinion are they mercenaries?  |
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Si si attendiamo l'arbitro con impazienza (non sono ironico)
Invece, Jolly, per curiosita' personale, quant'e' la tua tariffa??? il mio tasso è "zero" Cerco solo di aiutare coloro che sono vittime di truffe e ladri come quelli praticati dal rock trading quindi quante persone hai rubato usando KYC come scusa? E quanti soldi ha rubato il Rock Trading usando KYC come scusa? loosely means: my rate is "zero" I only try to help those who are victims of scams and thieves like those practiced by rock trading so how many people have you stolen from using KYC as an excuse? And how much money has Rock Trading stolen using KYC as an excuse? Che ne pensi dell'utente leggendario Vod? Secondo te anche lui è un mercenario?What do you think of the legendary user Vod? Do you think he is also a mercenary? Che dire dell'utente leggendario LoyceV? Secondo te anche lui è un mercenario?What do you think of the legendary user LoyceV? Do you think he is also a mercenary? Quindi, secondo te, chiunque affermi ciò che vedono guardando Rock Trading, è un mercenario?So, in your opinion, whoever says what they see when looking at Rock Trading, is a mercenary? |
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si certo... va beh, comunque bravi nel tentativo.... In ogni caso, se il tuo socio Coinfan ci fornira' i documenti richiesti, noi non ci tiriamo indietro ed onoreremo le sblocco dei fondi. La domanda a questo punto e': Sei in grado di darci i documenti o hai bisogno di trovare altri mercenari?? Le condizioni restano le stesse: 1) Un valido documento' d'identita' fronte e retro a colori 2) Un selfie col documento in mano ed un foglio con una scritta univoca che le comunicheremo 3) Una recente utenza non piu' vecchia di sei mesi 4) Compilazione dei dati come richiesto online I fondi verranno prontamente rilasciati ed il conto ovviamente terminato. Va beh.... continuiamo ad attendere con pazienza  Grazie!! il tuo tentativo di giocare è finito l'arbitro è coinvolto e risolverà questo problema non avevi il diritto di forzare KYC su qualsiasi cliente avresti dovuto dare 2 scelte a tutti i clienti 1) invia KYC per continuare a utilizzare Rock Trading 2) non inviare KYC quindi rimuovere i fondi hai usato l'opportunità di provare a truffare Coinfan ma non si è tirato indietro e ha spiegato a tutti nel forum come hai cercato di derubarlo loosely means: your attempt to play is over the Arbiter is involved and will solve this problem you didn't have the right to force KYC on any customer you should have given 2 choices to all customers 1) send KYC to continue using Rock Trading 2) do not send KYC then remove the funds you used the opportunity to try to defraud Coinfan but Coinfan did not hold back and explained to everyone in the forum how you tried to rob them |
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What is interesting is that you are a pathetic scammer who will hopefully have his pathetic Rock Trading scam website shut down by the authorities soon. Non sono pagato da nessuno
Sto postando in questa discussione usando il traduttore
Rock Trading sono truffatori che hanno sequestrato illegalmente denaro da Coinfan
Ho pubblicato il thread in inglese ma da quando Coinfan post qui ho deciso di postare anche qui
il tuo profilo mostra: http://therocktrading.com/referral/17
sembra che tu sia pagato dai truffatori del rock trading per i referral
la mia firma elenca truffe e ladri
non vengo pagato
lo faccio per aiutare gli altri e per informare gli altri per proteggerli
loosely means: I'm not paid by anyone
I'm posting in this discussion using the translator
Rock Trading are scammers who have illegally seized money from Coinfan
I posted in the English thread but since Coinfan post here I decided to post here too
your profile shows: http://therocktrading.com/referral/17
it looks like you're being paid by rock trading scammers for referrals
my signature lists scams and thieves
i do not get paid
i do it to help others and to inform others to protect themAs everybody can read from the post I left there in in the Italian thread in direct response to your affiliate who happens to be a moderator - it is HE who is taking money from you because he is your affiliate. Now that sounds more interesting. You are a scammer who is nothing more than modern-day common criminal, a petty thief. I am glad the OP did not accept it when you selective scammed them. |
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Non sono pagato da nessuno Sto postando in questa discussione usando il traduttore Rock Trading sono truffatori che hanno sequestrato illegalmente denaro da Coinfan Ho pubblicato il thread in inglese ma da quando Coinfan post qui ho deciso di postare anche qui il tuo profilo mostra: http://therocktrading.com/referral/17sembra che tu sia pagato dai truffatori del rock trading per i referral la mia firma elenca truffe e ladri non vengo pagato lo faccio per aiutare gli altri e per informare gli altri per proteggerli loosely means: I'm not paid by anyone I'm posting in this discussion using the translator Rock Trading are scammers who have illegally seized money from Coinfan I posted in the English thread but since Coinfan post here I decided to post here too your profile shows: http://therocktrading.com/referral/17it looks like you're being paid by rock trading scammers for referrals my signature lists scams and thieves i do not get paid i do it to help others and to inform others to protect them |
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Thank you for reposting from censored thread ! I thought that people already know what is happening with Minexsystems,but there is still significant group of people which do not know. These people are not interesting in MNX coin ,but for cards only and they are still asking on Minexsystems TW and FB accounts where are the cards.
After Instabuy closure one anomaly about real MNX coin price appeared. Average coin price on CMC has been manipulated through HIT BTC exchange,where someone is using wash trading,buying and selling MNX to himself at prices multiple times bigger than on other exchanges,faking price and volume, trying to artificially prop up price of MNX coin and fool trading bots and unexperienced traders to start buy coin on other exchanges too.For now manipulator has no success,but he is accelarating wash trading and pumping volume more and more ,trying to find enough volume size to fool trading bots.From now I will use EXMO price as a referent price for MNX coin,because EXMO trading is 85% of whole trading volume for MNX coin thunderjet you are correct, some scammer is trying to inflate the price of this dead MNX coin by buying and selling to himself on HitBTC. Those artificial prices will not help save this dying coin. Demolition man Boris and his team have ALL gone quiet. His inner circle scammer alliance have decided to fool others in the Russian thread instead after they have no credibility left anywhere else |
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Where is proof that these amounts were collected and where is proof that the bankroll was $3.25 million? Also, in the meantime the price of crypto currencies increased for some hundred percent and therefore the bankroll would have been $3.25 million x 3 $9.75 million. But if a clown has a bankroll of $9.75 million, why does he offer only a joking dice service? And why scam affiliates if he has $ millions? It more looks like that he was close to broke and tried to scam wherever he could!  I agree with you, it seems shady that with all that many millions in the bankroll, betking cannot justify just having a dice game and yes he might well be almost broke/insolvent now but he claims he spent 600 BTC for illegal buy-backs of BKB tokens. If he had any funds from the ICO remaining he would have easily paid the 2 BTC licence fee to use the Crash software instead of scamming the software owner and furthermore probably would have paid the buy-back token rate to LoyceV to the tune of around $650 just in order to save the negative publicity that this thread has brought upon scammer Dean Nolan and betking. Just because scammer Dean Nolan might not have much of the 2017 ICO funds left does not mean he did not have it to start with. And yes I agree, at the point just 3 months after the ICO ended in September 2017 the value of ICO investors funds jumped from $6.5 million to around $26 million in December 2017 (if you use the 1411 BTC figure with approximately $19,000 per Bitcoin). Exactly the number of tokens spent, cashed in and where the funding went is a mystery because scammer Dean Nolan does not allow audits. Regarding your comment about the affiliates, I have no idea why he scammed affiliates if he had those millions just like I do not know where and how the funds were mismanaged. I do not think he was broke at the time of the 2017 ICO simply because the amount raised was too big to ignore, I do believe though betking is in serious financial trouble now and has been for some time and that is simply because of fraud and mismanagement. One thing for sure is that scammer Dean Nolan himself stated he spent 600 BTC of near the total 1411 BTC (equivalent) raised in the 2017 ICO for buying-back BKB tokens from funds which were supposed to be used exclusively and specifically for the bankroll. It was one of selling points used to entice investors in the 2017 ICO. This is just one of the issues that I hope the UK Police (Scotland Sheriff) will look in to because if one person says that move was: " illegal, it was fraud and it was a front in order for scammer Dean Nolan to sell his own tokens and/or it was a mechanism for scammer Dean Nolan to illegally sell a portion of the 30 million BKB tokens and pocket the funds for himself. It was also negligence and mismanagement on an industrial scale" but the dictator running the betking website says it was: " unfortunate, it was mismanagement, there were some bad business decisions but not fraud" .. then we shall leave it to the police to decide what action (if any) they will take. |
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Before the hack i would say it is a trustworthy and reputable exchange. As it is registered in new zealand rather than panama it can be trusted. It is not one of the best as it mostly trades shitcoins, but it does work and people that were hacked got refunded.
Well if it has an chance of being successful or reputable it needs to make amends for the hack and assure users that it will not happen again. The hack has put many users off and most of the very few customers it had have decided to go elsewhere |
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Dovresti appendere la testa per la vergogna. Sei un disgraziato, patetico imbecille che ha cercato di scam selettivo il PO, ma l'OP ha reagito e ha assunto entrambi e il tuo piccolo scambio truffa chiamato Rock Trading.
Il PO ha il sostegno della comunità. Il Rock Trading non ha reputazione e non lo farà mai - è sulla sua lunga diapositiva che porta alla chiusura perché la gente non la userà, la gente semplicemente non si fida di essa.
Hai pensato che sarebbe stata una cosa semplice truffare selettivamente l'OP, ma quando ha combattuto ed esposto il tuo piccolo scambio truffa chiamato Rock Trading ti sei arrabbiato e hai cercato di usare tutte le scuse per prenotare solo per trascinarlo il più a lungo possibile la speranza che l'OP si arrendesse, ma non si arrese. Ti ha preso e coinvolto varie autorità. Vergognatevi.
Anche ora tu chiedi informazioni dal PO ma con uno strato di condiscendente sarcasmo. Sappiamo tutti che non rilascerai i fondi per lui nemmeno con tutti gli ID presenti. Dovrai trattare con l'Arbitrato e poi, si spera, sarà segnalato alla polizia e alle autorità fiscali in modo che possano indagare sulla tua truffa Rock Trading.
Tutto quello che dovevi fare era dare all'OP e a tutti gli altri clienti l'opzione di inviare KYC e continuare come utente della truffa Rock Trading o se non volevano inviare KYC avrebbero dovuto avere la possibilità di prelevare fondi in crypto (non FIAT) e chiude il loro account su Rock Trading.
Hai provato a sfruttare la truffa selettiva dell'OP ma hai fallito miseramente perché il tuo Rock Trading è sull'orlo della chiusura grazie alla pubblicità negativa che la tua truffa ti ha portato. Solo tu sai quanti altri hai truffato in modo selettivo ma non ti hanno esposto nel modo in cui l'OP ha fatto.
Vergognatevi.
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querida senhora,
Please, be so kind to provide to us or to the authorities the following documents:
A valid picture ID
A selfie with your ID and a paper with a unique phrase we will provide to you (please open a ticket in order to obtain it)
A recent proof of address
Fill out all information requested online from your account (please open a ticket in order to be able to do it)
Upon receipt of the above information, if all the documents requested met the above criteria, we will release funds in one business day.
Please note:
All above documents must be in the name we do have on file
Even if we will consider a legal action against you for defamation, we will not further hold your funds if the above requested are satisfied
Thank you
You should hang your head in shame. You are a disgraceful, pathetic imbecile who tried to selective scam the OP but the OP fought back and took on both and your tiny little scam exchange called Rock Trading. The OP has the backing of the community. The Rock Trading has no reputation and never will - it is on its long slide in to demise that leads to it being closed because people will not use it, people simply do not trust it. You thought you it would be a simple thing to selective scam the OP but when he fought back and exposed your little scam exchange called Rock Trading you became angry and tried to use every excuse in to book just to drag this out as long as possible in the hope the OP would give up but he did not give up. He took you on and involved various authorities. Shame on you. Even now you ask for information from the OP but with a layer of condescending sarcasm. We all know you will not release the funds to him even with all the ID present. You will have to deal with Arbitration and then hopefully be reported to the police and tax authorities so they can investigate your scam Rock Trading. All you had to do was to give the OP and all other customers the option to either send KYC and continue as a user of the scam Rock Trading or if they did not want to send KYC they should have been allowed the option to withdraw funds in crypto (not FIAT) and close their account at Rock Trading. You tried to take advantage of selective scamming the OP but failed miserably because your Rock Trading is on the verge of closure thanks to the negative publicity your scam brought you. Only you know how many others you have selectively scammed but they did not expose you in the way the OP did. Shame on you. |
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Some important info! Thanks to nutildah who have posted it here  *ModShin is from TradeSatoshi-team. What an absolute pathetic bunch of selective scammers Tradesatoshi have become. The highlighted text in the image makes their intentions clear: " we are implementing KYC to all users in our site, and accounts failure to cooperate will remain frozen" The low-life scammers think they can 'freeze' accounts at their discretion and then hold funds indefinitely but in simple terms that means that is an excuse to steal funds under the guise of failure to adhere to KYC which incidentally many users would have sent correctly. Any real bonafide business would give the option to users of either complying to KYC or them being allowed to withdraw their funds and never use Tradesatoshi again, if they wish. It is clear Tradesatoshi are doing it with a view to selective scam their own users just as Rock Trading, Changenow/Changelly, Flyp.me and Holy Transactions have done |
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The scammers from the Minex censored thread deleted this post but I am adding it here:Well done. I wish you invest all your life savings in MNX. I really wish your investment in MNX brings you what you.... deserve
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I remember when I signed up for Poloniex in 2014 I gave them a fake name, because I didn't necessarily trust them, as most people didn't. Then when their Circle acquisition came and they insisted everyone do KYC, I said screw that, because where I lived didn't even allow bitcoin exchanges and Poloniex would have certainly taken that into consideration. Poloniex also gave me the option of changing my customer name, which Trade Satoshi does not. They let me withdraw my coins, and I moved on. This is the standard I'm used to... It seems to me when an exchange uses KYC as an excuse to with-hold customer coins, something fishy is going on. BiteBTC has been engaging in the same behavior.
Then as was pointed out, some people performed the KYC to the best of their ability and were still denied access to their funds. I strongly believe Trade Satoshi recently turned to the darkside as they've racked up a huge number of complaints on social media as of late. They've always had their share of unhappy customers, but now they have way more than their share.
An excellent post. Thank you. That is the precise reason I added Tradesatoshi to my scam alert signature. They are by all intent and purposes using KYC as an excuse to seize funds. Those that do not comply are frozen out and many those that do comply with their KYC are also being given the run-around or point blank refused access. They have all the hallmarks of selective scamming. Regardless of what opinions people may have of Poloniex, when they added their forced KYC policy at least they allowed users the option to change their aliases to their real names then comply with KYC and for those that did not want to do it they allowed them to withdraw - simple. I will take a closer look at BiteBTC and if they have also decided to go rogue then I will add them to my scam alert signature as well as leave red trust too. |
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All his behavior clearly confirms that he collected at best crypto currencies worth $300,000 September 2017 and nowhere near $ millions as he false and misleading claims! Stating false investment numbers to attract other potential victims is investment fraud! I was affiliate for this scam project and checked his scam website regularly and can confirm that he behaved like having not more than $300,000 on hand. I can not speak for the bankroll, but for building his scam casino website and marketing he behaved like a small child having $50,000 on hand! For months only Dice was running, but if you have millions you will have introduced everything within a few months. You also will not start offering poker with leaderboard prices and thereafter remove it. With millions on hand you will built up a successful online casino, with only $300,000 on hand and incompetent of course not! I am sorry about the manner in which you were scammed, no affiliates should have been scammed in any project. He also scammed several other people from the early days of his Pocket Rocket Casino too and some of those victims left appropriate red feedback for him and his scam websites. Regarding the actual amounts of the ICO, they have been mentioned several times: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1842538.msg21483982#msg21483982From scammer Dean Nolan - start quote: "Final exchange rate on bitfinex.com at ICO end
Total funds raised:
1,046.60623397 BTC
4,614.61055431 ETH
833.38469263 LTC
Total: $6,497,165.94 " - end quote How are you coming to figures of $300,000 when the following information is correct because 50% of the 2017 betking ICO funds were to be used specifically for the bankroll?: BTC 1046/2 = 523 BTC
ETH 4614/2 = 2307 ETH
LTC 833/2 = 416 LTC
$6.5 million /2 = $3.25 millionI agree with your assertion that for months betking operated just as a dice site and scammer Dean Nolan did not introduce the flurry of games he mentioned in the 2017 ICO whitepaper so he was in complete violation of a commitment that was used to target investors. It was a clear breach of the commitments he made in the 2017 betking ICO whitepaper because all he did was to add Sportsbook then remove it, then add Livetable affiliate plugins before removing them too. They were one of many lies, poor choices and very bad decisions made by scammer Dean Nolan but your calculations of $300,000 seem wholly incorrect. All the available evidence suggests the doomed 2017 betking ICO did raise $6.5 million and 50% of it (which equates to $3.25 million) was supposed to be used exclusively for the bankroll. Whether he did indeed use the funds in the way he claimed he would when he was enticing investment via the 2017 betking ICO whitepaper will only be known after a criminal investigation IF the UK Police decide to conduct one after they receive my case file and that is because scammer Dean Nolan has shrouded all activities related to betking and the usage of the 2017 betking ICO funds in secrecy. Had he been open and transparent allowing for audits and financial scrutiny then the vast majority of issues would either have never arose or would have been addressed before they became even bigger issue. |
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