To me you are desperately looking for reasons to hold that money back. If op proves ownership through signature, AML requires you to exactly nothing and you are legally entitled to release the funds. Why we should "desperately" hold 35k euro when we have been in business since 2011 and processed thousands of bank transactions ? No, we are just looking to find a solution which is legal and, at the same, time guarantee customer funds..... because Rock Trading are selective scamming this user. Why did you name your customer without asking for consent before doing so? So do you think all the people that say Rock Trading are scammers, are mercenaries? |
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Well since my post above I have been keeping an eye from time to time on the betking bankroll. It was regularly floating around the 19 BTC mark but miraculously it was more than doubled just a day or so after I posted the image on 24th March 2019. Figure that out. It is safe to say that investors most definitely did not contribute to the increase. Why scammer Dean Nolan decided to increase the bankroll by adding Bitcoin to it (and where did those funds come from) are difficult to ascertain because of the secrecy he shrouds himself in. Having said that, this is what the stats look like today:  -----------------------------------------------------------------  Of the staggering 10 billion BKT tokens created using EOS here is a breakdown: 10% which is 1 billion were reserved for BKB conversions - of which just 36% have been used (366,978,922) 10% which is 1 billion were reserved for "the team" - whatever that means and allegedly "0" have been used 30% which is 3 billion were reserved for airdrops - around 22% have been used (675,476,101) 20% which is 2 billion were reserved for promotions (leaderboard, affiliates, bounties, etc) - around less than 2.5% have been used (47,544,389) 30% which is 3 billion were reserved for mined From Bet Mining - around less than 4% have been mined (116,651,747) Considering scammer Dean Nolan was closing down betking in December 2018 / January 2019 and replacing it with his next scam (bitsafe crypto exchange) but had to plan again because nobody wanted to invest in "bitsafe", do you think the above listed token distribution was a competent manner to try to "save" betking? I fail to see why the token distribution could not have been more generous to existing BKB token holders. After all, it the "team" get 1 billion BKT for effectively bringing betking to the verge of closure why were existing BKB token holders given an exchange that saw them lose 99% of the original guaranteed value of BKB tokens as per the 2017 betking ICO? Scammer Dean Nolan mentioned on many occasions there was no "team" and that he hired freelancers to work for him but that contradicted the part where he claimed he had 6 developers working for him for 1 year after the ICO. So why is the betking "team" getting 1 billion tokens valued currently at $1.2 million? Surely whatever scammer Dean Nolan siphoned-off from the 2017 betking ICO should have been enough so what exactly has he done that warrants him getting another $1.2 million? Who did he discuss this with and who gave him permission? Was he acting in the role of "dictator" again when he made the decision to give himself another £1.2 million? Scammer Dean Nolan wrote: "The token price was $0.09286 after the ICO. The token value is calculated as $0.09286 + ((total bankroll profit of eth, btc, ltc in $ at current exchange price) / 100,000,000) Which is now $0.0966. A profit of $0.00374 per token": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25690525#msg25690525The value of BKB held by LoyceV should have been 7278 BKB x $0.09286 (+profits) = $675.84 minimum flat rate without any profits to take in to consideration. If the site made no profit betking should guarantee a buy-back of BKB at $0.09286 as per scammer Dean Nolan personally guaranteeing he would cover it even if BTC dropped to $1 Scammer Dean Nolan has a minimum of $1.2 million worth of BKT tokens after making the switch from BKB to BKT yet he refused to give LoyceV just $675 of his BKB guaranteed buy-back tokens. He also told LoyceV that the drop in price is partly his fault because he did not "promote" betking... Pathetic. In the process scammer Dean Nolan ruined the very little reputation that he and his betking had left. |
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Everybody should avoid Satoshibet.io until it sets up correct TOS/Privacy Notices and shows the name/address of the owner
I doubt that the owner will show his address , it would be too risky to do for him Why? There is no risk. All LTD/LLC companies show their credentials on the websites they own. Even a Curaçao Gaming Licence would suffice but something to allow players to know who they are dealing with in the event of a lawsuit or any legal claim and to know their rights when using the website. |
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Everybody should avoid Satoshibet.io until it sets up correct TOS/Privacy Notices and shows the name/address of the owner
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Hearing about it, reading about it and getting interested  The more and I learned and discovered about crypto the more interesting it became. It was new technology, evolving and improving all the time. New innovations kept coming but sadly the scams started increasing too. |
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Sorry, while I can understand your point of view, in order to protect your interests and everybody else safety, we do need to verify your real identity before releasing your funds which are available.
Refusing to do so, it only raise our concerns about the real ownership of the account.
So, please, comply with the requests in order to solve the issue.
As an alternative, if you do not want to provide requested information to us, you may contact the Italian police and file a request. They will request us to proceed and we will be ok because we do have the guarantee they checked your Identity which, obviously will be forwarded to us.... It only takes longer but it is your choice.
Thank you
Andrea Medri
TRT CFO
He just published the first name of a customer on a public forum.After he posted this just days ago: Do not worry, we are not going to publish on a chat personal details such as names, bank details ecc. Even in your case we are going to respect your privacy  Again, a man of his word. This wasn't only a violation of privacy. It was a breach of security. Someone can try to use this information to steal my money. No professional company would violate their users like this. Scammer Andrea Medri (eliale) has deliberately posted your name in an attempt to bully you but again he has failed. As rightly pointed out by you and now by user asche, the fact is scammer Andrea Medri (eliale) is making up excuses to steal that money from you. I completely agree with you, you should never send your KYC to these scammers because they are driven by revenge against you. Now the Arbitration has started and you have sent your ID to them, you should allow for this process follow its natural course. It is up to the Arbiters how they advise Rock Trading scammers that they have your ID or forward a copy to them but you have taken the right step. Scammer Andrea Medri asking you to take "a selfie with your ID and a paper with a unique phrase we will provide to you (please open a ticket in order to obtain it)" is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at misdirection and an attempt to show Italian authorities (and bitcointalk forum affiliates) that he is a operating a genuine business but their reputation is now in tatters. Scammer Andrea Medri (eliale) did not even answer the question from asche about what theoretically would happen to funds in the case there was no documentation going to be sent to Rock Trading. He only answers questions he wants to and ignores the ones that will show him up to be a scammer. When using SEPA what you are saying is simply wrong. I tried it myself a few weeks ago. Maybe this is how it should be, but as a matter of fact it is NOT like this.
You don't have to do the AML if we follow your own T&C for crypto withdrawal, so it is only a matter for you to be convinced OP is still the same. So a signature SHOULD be enough.
You are deviating from topic. Also you did not answer the question regarding what would happen to the funds in case of no documentation from OP.
Finally did the metadata of OP change significantly to back up your doubts?
To me you are desperately looking for reasons to hold that money back. If op proves ownership through signature, AML requires you to exactly nothing and you are legally entitled to release the funds. |
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Well, first of all, they have a 90% of bots and airdropers in the community.
Second, they invite people without permission in their community channels.
They have a bunch of people pumping this thread.
And LAST they are not transparent - is that what you call Shariah norms?
I like you post very much. Thank you.
Adab Haraam exchange is a scam project which used sock-puppet scammers which created fake buzz and hype but there almost no real genuine users here, this thread is full of the lowest dregs of the forum.
The trio of Adab Haraam exchange team leaders from Kazakhstan but living in Uzbekistan are in cahoots with the Russian scammers that supplied the sock-puppet accounts Nobody will receive any bounty - these scammers will pay nothingAdab Haraam Exchange = SCAM |
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CMC reacted on MNX wash trading on HIT BTC and excluded price on it from calculation of average market price :
MNX price is ready for next significant drop and as it soon goes below $0.2, we can expect quick drop to $0.13-0.15 It seems you were right. MNX has fallen below $0.20, now let us see if it drops fast to around the $0.15 mark  |
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I like the idea of a truly secure method of storing anything, money, data, information; in theory, bokchain can be tied to anything, which means to secure any information product. This secure technology is one of the key things that attracted people when they first heard about blockchains. Anything new that can change the we transact on a daily basis on a P2P level will attract interest. |
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 Seems clear why yurez83 (aka Yurii Pohrebniak) and temhuk have gone quiet in the English threads. They seem to be very active in the Russian threads promoting Republia, Minex and Omnigames Plenty of red trust for those scammers  |
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Still waiting for the OP to give appropriate feedback and trust to the users in the links.
Once done, I will do the same and hopefully others too.
Added for first two. The last doesn't have a link to the Tradesatoshi site in profile, doubt if admin here will consider him as tradesatoshi staff. Done too. Hopefully others will follow |
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The number of newbies joining up here is a joke.
This scam is going to new levels of scamming
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thunderjet you are correct, some scammer is trying to inflate the price of this dead MNX coin by buying and selling to himself on HitBTC. Those artificial prices will not help save this dying coin. Demolition man Boris and his team have ALL gone quiet. His inner circle scammer alliance have decided to fool others in the Russian thread instead after they have no credibility left anywhere else I'm sure it will try a few more times to manipulate and pump/dump price, just to get some money from a carcass. I am inclined to agree with you. The current price on CMC is: $0.204634 but the reality is their pumping and dumping to their own wallets at artificially high prices cannot go on forever. Very well articulated that MNX = carcass |
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Repeating the same thing all over again won't make anything move in the right direction. Why not wait for her to answer to my question. Regarding the amount involved it is perfectly possible that the owner used a fake name. However this shouldn't make it impossible to recover the funds. It should have been very possible and very easy for the OP to recover the funds in crypto (not FIAT) but the Rock Trading have a personal vendetta against the OP. They have deliberately taken a stance of stubbornness because the OP started this thread. eliale / Andrea Medri is trying deflect attention away from the key fact. The change of wording in the TOS does not help his case at all because a senior board member of their scam exchange sent an email to the OP stating KYC was not mandatory as per the email sent on 21st August 2018 and mentioned in the OP. They should have allowed the OP (and all their users the option) to simply comply with KYC in order to keep using Rock Trading as a service or they should have allowed the OP to withdraw non-FIAT funds to a wallet out of Rock Trading and then close the account. They used this opportunity to selective scam the OP (and maybe several others) but at least the OP came here looking for help, that thankfully in-turn helped bring the whole matter to light. From what I read in previous posts, the OP has sent all documents to the Arbitration Team and they are looking in to this matter but only the OP can clarify the issue related to it. |
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Still waiting for the OP to give appropriate feedback and trust to the users in the links. Once done, I will do the same and hopefully others too. |
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eliale (as left in deserving negative feedback the real name Andrea Medri from Rock Trading scam exchange), you are the owner of Rock Trading scam. Going by your mindset, why do you think all the users that left negative trust for you are mercenaries and paid puppets https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35172 |
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It's not safe to trade here anymore, after the recent hacking there will be no second chance for this exchange, you can trade your coins here if you cannot find an exchange to your coin but trade immediately then leave, their reputation is badly tarnished because of the hacking incident.
Once being hacked then its normal for its users and spectators to lose interest to trade here anymore but as being said if your altcoins is mainly traded up only into this place then you wont really have any choice but as long you have sell and converted then better to get out asap rather than to wait for an another incident. So stands to reason those users holding coins that are not easily traded elsewhere might stay but those trading top level coins have a wide selection of exchanges to go choose from should they feel unsafe and want to move. |
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I think it will blow way past $20 000 this year still But just 3 months now before 1 yesr from you post yet price still dumping so what about the Blow?Lol For me its 2020-2022 before we can see some good pumps again,because untill today people is struggling for their own profit while whales are being fulfilled from their dumping and pumping activities Probably we will see when next halving take place or some few month before or later. This should be predicted according to former charts in several last halving. This is probably when we will see this price again or even see much more then it was, possible new ATH.
Since this community is full of predictions and speculation,i guess its enough to wait another longer time and prevent from big investments while waiting The leap to the price of $ 20k will not happen in the near term and cannot be sure how much time it takes for Bitcoin to reach it, it could be one year or two years and even five years because it is still a mystery.
Enough reason to say expect nothing for the coming years right? I would suggest more reason to wait and evaluate before purchasing. The time might not be right to buy just yet because the market is not showing signs of strength and increase. |
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<---- Investor of ICO who lost every single penny on a casino, who loses 100% as a casino, quite a accomplishment. Never even did a buy back because I assume easy money maker but Dean seemed to be sabotaging it the whole way. The Poker addition was LOL I did warn him that nobody would use it, and then he decided that he needed to offer better prices than other sports books to get more volume ( LOL LOL LOL) guy is not a high level thinker.
edit since relaunch, site looks good volume is up chat is back looks like Dean has been working hard, maybe not all is lost. Hopefully this forward momentum can continue.
No betking cannot be saved. Its reputation is in tatters and scammer Dean Nolan has been exposed as a serial scammer. Yes, all is lost because there is no momentum to carry this farcical project forward. I wonder where things went wrong. He had such a good website back in the day and I'm really grateful for that. He always was a little miscalibrated but intentions were good. Then something just plummeted off of the deep end during the bear market I guess. GG
In my honest opinion, nothing has changed that much, its just too many people trust Dean and they dont see the negatives in the past and now that lsrger amount or amount is involve they are looking on more aspects On the whole I agree. It is only now that people have put 2+2 together and realised there are deeper aspects to scrutinise. All the people (with the exception of a couple that are running around after him in search of freebie useless and worthless EOS BKT tokens) have stopped trusting him. I wonder where things went wrong. He had such a good website back in the day and I'm really grateful for that. He always was a little miscalibrated but intentions were good. Then something just plummeted off of the deep end during the bear market I guess. GG
He went broke trading alt coins, according to him he was tired of alt coiners making more gains than him so he started trading and he got liquidated for everything, this is not a lie I was told to keep hush but I ain't letting this dude get away with another scam, my 30k is long gone. Now the interesting thing is to speculate is if he used ico funds to gamble on is bitmmex acc or otc trades. Fromm y point of view since the inception of Ico it seems he is doing everything in his power for it to fail.Well, this user was a vocal critic of scammer Dean Nolan but is now operating as an admin on the 'betking chat' therefore has changed his opinion of scammer Dean Nolan |
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There are good slogans in the ADAB project, but not an honest team from Russia. At first I was interested in this project, but after I figured it out, I decided not to waste my time on it. At least you realised this was a "project" run by a bunch of scammers. It is good you are not wasting your time on it. |
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