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11301  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 10:45:47 PM
Seems like none of you get that Cloudbet don't give a fuck what you guys discuss or talk here.

We get it... Cloudbet won’t last much longer if this keeps up.
That won't be so bad case for them, they already won millions euro via anonymous hosted casino.

What’s your point?
I already stated my point. Cloudbet do not care what all of you write here, do you support or not support the case.
They already won enough to say goodbye if they want.
No matter how you courage the OP or dislike, that won't change anything but could also bring fake hopes.

So you mean it's totally okay for gambling sites to establish some reputation and then steal people's money blatantly? How long the community is going to tolerate it? This isn't the first incident of a massive withdrawal being robbed. Someone has to stop it.

Moreover, it affects the reputed gambling sites by giving the crypto gambling business a bad name. I don't know why the victims don't involve law.


I think in this case the website is selective scamming, they are trying to wriggle out of allowing the user access to his 330 BTC. The user gave them what they asked for (KYC which was unnecessary but used as a delay tactic by Cloudbet and nearly all betting and gaming websites when they selective scam).

I think the OP is right in waiting for a few days more. If it is not resolved he must consider legal action.

STEP 1:
Inform the Curacao e-Gaming Officers. There is a link that states "File a Complaint": https://validator.curacao-egaming.com/validate?domain=www.cloudbet.com&seal_id=72b4de06acee4e455547f8fb68ee27aac984d38c2ac8748c8f26b103ab2fd4b0ff7a047a73882b22a671840fcb7d6827&stamp=eb0b0908c519a5fdad9cec28ca015971

STEP 2:
Use a US based lawyer to make contact with Cloudbet on behalf of the OP to advise them legal action will commence of they do not release rightful funds. The Cloudflare service they use is based in US and has US IP address therefore US law is applicable. This would not cost more than a few hundred dollars to get the ball rolling.

STEP 3:
Use your US lawyer to write to Cloudflare or call them and tell them Cloudbet is selective scamming users and that you are initiating legal action against Cloudbet. Request kindly that CLoudflare stop associating themselves with a scam outfit as it will mean they will get negative publicity as it might seem to some that they endorse such views: +44 20 3514 6970


These are probably US based citizens running Cloudbet but as they would never get a gambling licence from the US they used an easily available Curacao E-Gaming Licence which anybody can get by registering the offshore LLC there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curaçao

As long they are in the US or as US based citizens running Cloudbet it should be very easy for a lawyer to send them a letter and ask for your funds.

Hopefully this will speed up the process of you and others getting their funds back.
11302  Other / Meta / Re: Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data.. on: February 08, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
Iam not erasing anything. I just started to write mine answer BEFORE you reedited your post. You can repeat you requests as much as you can(you did it so many times before), but if you are doing fradulent things,spreading lies and laughing on people loses,insulting and cursing them, I will call you and others like you, a scammer every single time you do something like that.

I do not know how you have the patience to even read posts from Yurii Pohrebniak (yurez83) and temhuk. I have those scammers on IGNORE because that is what they deserve.
11303  Other / Meta / Re: Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data.. on: February 08, 2019, 10:07:00 PM
I don't allow to use my copyright photos on the forum

Do you have officially copyrighted your photos ? If yes, please show us the registration certificate. All your photos that are posted here, are in public access in your social media profiles. You are afraid that some Russian criminal dudes, hired by people who lost money in your scam, will find you and fuck you up your scammy ass. I strongly suggest you, to go to the jail yourself, before that dudes will find you. Scamming people and stealing their money is not a good idea, and the final result of that action, will be similar to what is happening now with you, and with whole minex project scam.

MINEX = Ponzi Scam (Check the rates of "parking" coins)

MINEX = Fraudulent Cards (Check the name of the company on so called "Minex" aka Upay cards)

MINEX = Stealing peoples identity via fake KYC (Check the procedures of receiving Minex card)

Conclusion: MINEX = SCAM.   


You are lying non-stop. You are intentionally connecting innocent people who pointed on scam projects you and your buddies operate to some ukranian/russian fraudsters you had a problem almost 2 years ago.

Money extortion is very serious allegation for which you have no evidence at all. Absolutely nothing.You and Yurez83 are repeating that big lie,thinking if you throw enough mud on me and other people it will hide your fradulent operations - Offenders are trying to present themselves as a victims.

Minexcoin is not legit company.In fact it does not exist. Minexsystems formed different not-existing virtual companies not registred anywhere and running them.Minexcoin and Minexpay were not registred anywhere,only Minexsystems and Chain2pay.You are claiming how Minexcoin and Minexpay are affiliated companies of Minexsystems and Chain2pay,but that is not true ,because they are not registred anywhere and cant be affiliated to anything. Minexsystems was not registred before 22.Aug.2017,but still, it collected a lot of money in pre-ICO nad ICO phase.

"Your" cards are completely illegitimate. You are using lithuanian company UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS to disguise yourself and yours business - that is definition of money laundering.That company with no reported employees and revenues is paying your customers via business Upaycard. It is soooo deeply fradulent operation and we will see what will Upaycard,Mastercard and FCA will tell about it after they finish investigation.



I would not respond to this message, because just like your "company of friends", you (probably) violate the law by spreading your assumptions in the form of facts. .
I will keep silent about the dirt that I was doused in - it is all visible in the links at the beginning of the topic. If I responded in an uncivilized manner, then I admit. I'm a man too. But slander ....
In the United States of America, a very severe punishment is applied for libel, so you know. The punishment for defamation can reach up to $ 250 thousand fine or 10 years imprisonment. So please consider Thunderjet before blaming me and anyone else.

  I also have the right to assume that you are a scammer and they pay you to bury the company Chain2pay, since it is a competitor of company X - the card issuer. But it will be just my guess. I can create a new topic where I will call you fraudsters. And I will lay out my "pre-prescriptive facts." But I will not do this simply because there is the police and the ship system for this. If I see fit, I will inform them of you.



You are talking nonsenses. Nobody spreading anything.Every mine assumption has a cover in documents,unlike you, who are spreading Minex/Republia propaganda with no support in anything. You and your buddies did not respond to any of these "assumptions". You were attacking me round the clock with so many insults,curses and no meaningful answers. You were closed your open thread and started new, censored.

You were thinking that you found a nice loophole with that  - you can attack people you dont like as much as you can and at the same time you will delete any theirs response/post you dont like. That is massive abuse of freedom of speech - attacking someone and deny him/her right to answer.So ,please dont speak about any rights any more,until you and your buddies give others right to speech free.

You are making posts that I and few other people are money extorsionists. Do you realise what you are talking about? How serious is that? At the same time you dont have not a single evidence for that.That is not even remotely assumption - it is a massive lie ,based on nothing,made to cover with mud people you dont like it.

At the same time you were promoting a UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS card in your posts with a false promo video in which it is falsely presented as Minexpay branded card. You were very well aware that there is no Minexpay branded card,but anyway you keep promoting that obvious lie, deceving people to invest in it and take a card which is not existed.Well,that is a pure fraud. Or it is not when you are making it  Wink

Dont threat me with severe punishment.Iam not a person who is afraid of you and your buddies. Your money extortion and "pay to bury Chain2pay" allegations,without any proofs, is not simply defamation,but it is much more serious crime. You can just imagine how big is money compensation for spreading such kind of lies.

You and your buddies buried Minex project with your behaviour. You were spreading false or half-truth informations,attacking anyone who do not agree with yours views. Nobody prevented you to realise whitelist you promised to investors when you are taking theirs money or to make legitimate payment card program. When people wrote how they lost money due to yours lies you were laughing on theirs loses ,talking to them how stupid they are ,idiots and throwing many,many other insults. You probably expected that people give you money and shut up,so you can do with theirs money anything you want.

When a company is laughing and insulting to people who lost money due to believe in theirs promises, it is a without any doubt a SCAM company.Only SCAMMERS are laughing on other people losses.


What is that makes Yurii and temhuk so blind to the scams Minex is carrying out?

Yurii is brand ambassador for Minex sister scam company and temhuk is heavily invested in Minex and needs the price to rise otherwise he will lose everything.

Since over 99% of Minexcoin value has been lost since its peak of over $56 it means temhuk is financially finished. Yurii is trying to make money regardless of how many people get scammed.
11304  Other / Meta / Re: Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data.. on: February 08, 2019, 08:41:25 PM
You are lying non-stop. You are intentionally connecting innocent people who pointed on scam projects you and your buddies operate to some ukranian/russian fraudsters you had a problem almost 2 years ago.

Money extortion is very serious allegation for which you have no evidence at all. Absolutely nothing.You and Yurez83 are repeating that big lie,thinking if you throw enough mud on me and other people it will hide your fradulent operations - Offenders are trying to present themselves as a victims.

Minexcoin is not legit company.In fact it does not exist. Minexsystems formed different not-existing virtual companies not registred anywhere and running them.Minexcoin and Minexpay were not registred anywhere,only Minexsystems and Chain2pay.You are claiming how Minexcoin and Minexpay are affiliated companies of Minexsystems and Chain2pay,but that is not true ,because they are not registred anywhere and cant be affiliated to anything. Minexsystems was not registred before 22.Aug.2017,but still, it collected a lot of money in pre-ICO nad ICO phase.

"Your" cards are completely illegitimate. You are using lithuanian company UAB KRISTOLINIS DUGNAS to disguise yourself and yours business - that is definition of money laundering.That company with no reported employees and revenues is paying your customers via business Upaycard. It is soooo deeply fradulent operation and we will see what will Upaycard,Mastercard and FCA will tell about it after they finish investigation.


I wonder what scammer yurez83 (also known as Yurii Pogrebnijak) would say after reading your comment.
11305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: February 08, 2019, 07:52:16 PM
The battle between XRP and ETH will continue for a long time to come.
11306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] DIMCOIN The Future Of Equity on the Blockchain on: February 08, 2019, 07:51:06 PM

Great news about Bitker exchange.

How much did it cost to get listed there? With their $100,000 daily trade volumes it is a good step forward.

add a couple 0's brother... $100,000,000 in daily volume Smiley


They are not listed in CMC https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/

So they claim to have $100 million daily volume, that is excellent news. I hope Dimcoin goes from strength to strength.

How much did it cost to get Dimcoin listed there?
11307  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
Yea... as you can see from my screenshots cloudbet took 599 bets which totaled about 1.2 million euros from my referrals last year without any hesitation or KYC. Then all of the sudden needed KYC when 1 player managed to actually win.

And are refusing to payout a player who won a measly 3.5 bitcoin.

https://m.imgur.com/ejKlUkH

That is the thing that really shows selective scamming.

Any website happy to take your crypto in the first place then decides to play games in order to get KYC in the hope you refuse to send it. Then when you send it they come up with more lame excuses.

Rock Trading and Flyp.me/Holytransaction are the same along with many others.

Yea.. it’s pretty clear when you look at cloudbets responses to the player asking if he could gamble with cloudbet being a American Citizen.

Of course they didn’t void the bet till it won. It was a easy free roll for cloudbet. If it loses book it. If it wins void it.

https://m.imgur.com/5dazl3o

If cloudbet wants to stick to this story they need to send back my other players losses and my losses. I lost a significant amount of bitcoin before they closed my account.


I will wait a couple of days to see if there is any development on this story. If there is no news or no traction then I will add Cloudbet to my Scam Alert signature



11308  Economy / Gambling / Re: ▂▃▅▆█ BITSLER █▆▅▃▂🎁$100,000 GUARANTEED EVERY MONTH IN WAGER CONTESTS &FREEROLL🎁 on: February 08, 2019, 06:41:42 PM
Justyna87 wasn't happy with profits in only 1 currency .. Impressive !  Cool


I can't seem to see his account, when I too try to click the name it sends me to somewhere that says page not found. Also on this post you give the name "justyna87" that won all of this and on the pictures that shows the wins it is once again justyna87 so I assume thats the person who won but when I click on your link to go to the user it sends me to someone called jessidul29 instead, so I decided to delete that on the link and add justyna87 and check that but unfortunately that didn't worked out as well because that sent me to page not found as well.

I don't know if its a problem from my end or your end since the same thing happened twice but I just wanted to give a heads up about it so you would know that maybe others wouldn't be capable of checking it neither. If anyone has the same trouble just go to the site and get to weekly contest and justnya87 is there and you can click on his name there which works as a in site pop up instead and gives all the stats you may wanna check.

It should've been justyna87 and not jessidul29 yes

what's your username so that I can send you 0.001 BTC display 'bug bounty' as thank you btw. ( I send these out a lot, because I 'oops' a lot )

Yes it's 404 atm, but will work in a week or so, so stay tuned!

I did report it first. Do get the bug bounty too?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1268718.msg49624062#msg49624062
11309  Other / Meta / Re: Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data.. on: February 08, 2019, 06:39:05 PM
If something is not right for you - contact the police!

I already did...

http://www.fntt.lt/en/

https://ssu.gov.ua/ua/pages/30

https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/merchants/safety-security/suspect-fraud.html

The company operates legally with all the documents

Could you please show us that documents?

I didn’t create a topic for discussing the company, but about using false accusations to me using my copyright photos, editing to humiliate and insult and share personal data without my permission.

Please provide the proof that your photos are copyrighted. (Copyright registration documents)

Nobody is obliged to prove anything to you

I bought some of minex shitcoins and now you can consider me as a investor. So I have rights to ask legal questions about your scammy project.


Great news!

I am so happy you reported these scammers. I know several other forum members did it too.

Hopefully their scam house of cards called Minexcoin/Minexpay/Minexsystems will come falling down very soon.
11310  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 06:35:29 PM
Yea... as you can see from my screenshots cloudbet took 599 bets which totaled about 1.2 million euros from my referrals last year without any hesitation or KYC. Then all of the sudden needed KYC when 1 player managed to actually win.

And are refusing to payout a player who won a measly 3.5 bitcoin.

https://m.imgur.com/ejKlUkH

That is the thing that really shows selective scamming.

Any website happy to take your crypto in the first place then decides to play games in order to get KYC in the hope you refuse to send it. Then when you send it they come up with more lame excuses.

Rock Trading and Flyp.me/Holytransaction are the same along with many others.
11311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] DIMCOIN The Future Of Equity on the Blockchain on: February 08, 2019, 06:32:42 PM

Great news about Bitker exchange.

How much did it cost to get listed there? With their $100,000 daily trade volumes it is a good step forward.
11312  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet | Bitcoin Casino & Sportsbook | The No.1 Bitcoin Gambling Site on: February 08, 2019, 06:30:25 PM
the 330 btc story is picking up pace on reddit, this is not looking good for you cloudbet: https://old.reddit.com/r/sportsbook/comments/ao6txz/warning_bitcoin_sportbook_cloudbetcom_is_trying/

Reddit front page beckons.

Good. Let us now crush these scammers and all scumbags on their paylist on BitcoinTalk.

BTW Cloudbet/Fraudbet website is unreachable for me ATM...it just keeps loading and never opens up.

Fraudbet dead?

The Cloudbet website is definitely down. Page just does not open.
11313  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet | Bitcoin Casino & Sportsbook | The No.1 Bitcoin Gambling Site on: February 08, 2019, 05:47:52 PM
Yea Ronnie... it’s hard enough to get lucky and win as a gambler. Starting to seem like Cloudbet players who win are becoming the real underdog in regards to getting paid by you guys  Huh  


@AGD815

Please keep in mind that Ronnie is customer services. He can only relay information that has been passed on to him from the owners/devs.

I have always found Ronnie to be a kind, polite and courteous person who deserves the same from users when they post to him.

No matter what game of selective scamming the owners of Cloudbet play, the truth is Ronnie has no say in it at all. He is a nice person so please remain calm and polite towards him, I am sure he has and will continue to relay the information between yourself and the owners of Cloudbet.

As for where this issue goes now is up to you. You approached them to find a solution, they are playing hard to get. What is your next step?

You have the support of the members here, if there is anything any of can do to help please tell us.
11314  Economy / Gambling / Re: ▂▃▅▆█ BITSLER █▆▅▃▂🎁$100,000 GUARANTEED EVERY MONTH IN WAGER CONTESTS &FREEROLL🎁 on: February 08, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
Justyna87 wasn't happy with profits in only 1 currency .. Impressive !  Cool


I can't seem to see his account, when I too try to click the name it sends me to somewhere that says page not found. Also on this post you give the name "justyna87" that won all of this and on the pictures that shows the wins it is once again justyna87 so I assume thats the person who won but when I click on your link to go to the user it sends me to someone called jessidul29 instead, so I decided to delete that on the link and add justyna87 and check that but unfortunately that didn't worked out as well because that sent me to page not found as well.

I don't know if its a problem from my end or your end since the same thing happened twice but I just wanted to give a heads up about it so you would know that maybe others wouldn't be capable of checking it neither. If anyone has the same trouble just go to the site and get to weekly contest and justnya87 is there and you can click on his name there which works as a in site pop up instead and gives all the stats you may wanna check.

Yes that link directs to the intended URL but its 404
11315  Other / Meta / Re: Publication of copyright photos without permission (plagiarism), personal data.. on: February 08, 2019, 05:39:12 PM
I don't allow to use my copyright photos on the forum

Do you have officially copyrighted your photos ? If yes, please show us the registration certificate. All your photos that are posted here, are in public access in your social media profiles. You are afraid that some Russian criminal dudes, hired by people who lost money in your scam, will find you and fuck you up your scammy ass. I strongly suggest you, to go to the jail yourself, before that dudes will find you. Scamming people and stealing their money is not a good idea, and the final result of that action, will be similar to what is happening now with you, and with whole minex project scam.

MINEX = Ponzi Scam (Check the rates of "parking" coins)

MINEX = Fraudulent Cards (Check the name of the company on so called "Minex" aka Upay cards)

MINEX = Stealing peoples identity via fake KYC (Check the procedures of receiving Minex card)

Conclusion: MINEX = SCAM.  

Another excellent post from a user which basically says it how it is....

Minex is a major scam. The way they are using Upaycards and passing them off as their own is both pathetic and shocking. The rest of the Minex history and its scam can be seen here because they have their official threads censored to avoid being exposed and humiliated as scammers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5046331.0
11316  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet | Bitcoin Casino & Sportsbook | The No.1 Bitcoin Gambling Site on: February 08, 2019, 05:35:31 PM
@Ronnie

What on earth is going here?:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106313.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105084.0

Surely Cloudbet should do more to protect its reputation but the sheer number of allegations are rising and the seriousness of the value of BTC payout involved is alarming.

Please can these situations be resolved. I totally understand you are not the decision maker or owner but please kindly can you relay the message to the "team" . Their reputation is in tatters and if they have any desire to save it they should addresses the concerns of the users above.

Thank you
11317  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
Well, as you can see they payout me before I withdraw and then they rejected it and then that KYC thing begins. Which I gave right away. I won my bets fairly. I won everything fairly. And I just want to get my funds. I already said to them that Im the only owner of my account and im the only one who could access it. Which they replied as you can see on AskGamblers. So yeah, they better pay me.


PS: I dont know why but I guess you guys could not see my screenshots on AskGamblers? That is why when I post the withdrawal screenshot you guys got intense. Well I am glad I posted it here.

Ronnie is a great guy, he respond and just answer on what he knows. I hope he will do the right thing. Thanks guys

Albert


They have no right to ask for KYC. These are delays tactics in the hope the User will not want to send ID so they keep the crypto for themselves. It is a well known scamming technique by betting and gsming sites.
11318  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
In all these cases, did anybody get back their original deposits?

Example: depositing 129BTC and winning 330BTC but getting back 129 BTC (with Cloudbet resufing to pay 201 winnings)
11319  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 03:46:36 PM
Bazinga442 - There have been several people from different territories contacting us via different channels to claim ownership of the account, with varying degrees of evidence provided. That's about as detailed as I can be without disclosing private information about the account in question unfortunately.

I'll post an update ASAP.

Thanks,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet



Hi Ronnie,

This is very concerning. I can see the player posted a screenshot of his previous large withdrawals and received them without any issues.. Why were those withdrawals able to go through without any issues?

It’s starting to look like Cloudbet was unable to pay the massive withdrawal. I might sound like a broken record but why not try to arrange a payment plan like I mentioned earlier?

If you are all of the sudden questioning ownership can’t you just return the funds to the previous withdrawal addresses?

It’s a win win for everyone.
 


I am copying the information in the Steemit post. It makes very interesting reading. It has shown Cloudbet in a completely different light especially how they seem to use any excuse in the book to avoid paying winnings.






https://steemit.com/cloudbet/@johnycomelately/cloudbet-com-anonymous-cryptocurrency-sportsbook-and-amp-casino-accused-of-free-rolling-players

Cloudbet.com: Anonymous Cryptocurrency Sportsbook & Casino Accused of Free Rolling Players
johnycomelately (22) in cloudbet •  4 days ago

Online cryptocurrency gambling platform, cloudbet.com has been accused by several bettors of stealing their deposits and winnings. Scams are not uncommon in the gambling industry and are seemingly rampant in the growing, but unregulated cryptocurrency industry. There are several stories online about unaware gamblers losing their hard-earned money to fraudsters posing as legitimate businesses. In this instance, the culprit a gambling platform.

How it happened?
This story has been steadily building momentum among cryptocurrency users and gamblers on bitcointalk and reddit forums.

On the 28th of January, 2019, a bettor with the handle youngamericandream posted a message on bitcointalk.org detailing how he was cheated out of his winnings by cloudbet.com. The player deposited 5 BTC and gambled for a few weeks. At a later date he initiated a withdrawal, but left a balance of .05 BTC in his cloudbet.com account. Afterwards, he went on a hot winning streak that netted him 1.7 BTC, equivalent to $6000.

Cloudbet.com locked the player out of his account and demanded his personal identification documents for KYC (Know-Your-Customer) verification, and the player obliged. However, after giving the player the runaround, cloudbet.com used his American citizenship as the basis for confiscating his funds and closed the account.

According to the terms and conditions on the cloudbet.com website, bettors from the US are barred from playing on the platform. This begs the question of why they allow American players register, deposit and play on the platform, sometimes over long periods, especially when they're on losing runs. Is this mere incompetence on Cloudbet's part or a deliberate ploy to free roll unsuspecting players?

Why are they even asking for verification in the first place, when their platform is being sold to bettors as anonymous with no need for identification?

Youngamericandream, disclosed to cloudbet.com that he is a dual citizen of both Russia and the United States. And that he is currently on a worldwide trip outside the United States. He proved this by submitting his Russian identification, but cloudbet.com dismissed them out of hand.

Cloudbet's rejoinder
Their representative on bitcointalk.org, Ronnie, is adamant that they don't keep deposits if accounts are found to have bypassed their security checks to register from restricted territories. Once offending accounts are discovered, they refund the deposits and close the accounts. However, this is not always true as some players have come forward to dispute this. They accuse cloudbet.com of selectively scrutinizing winning players, and that losing bettors are exempted from these checks, thereby, appropriating their deposits.

Notable scam accusations against cloudbet.com
There are many stories online about how cloudbet.com abuse users trust to defraud them. Here are some examples.

Bitcointalk.org user kracc, on the 21st of May, 2018, accused cloudbet.com of closing his account after winning 3 BTC - over $20,000 then - and confiscating his deposit. Cloudbet's justification for their shady behaviour was that the player had opened multiple accounts which is against their Terms and Conditions. Apparently, this gives them the right to appropriate the player's winnings and deposit. Other users on the forum seem to have fallen to the same modus operandi.

Reddit user,Lenlo123, on the 25th of January, 2019, posted a warning on the forum describing how cloudbet.com used their Terms & Conditions to confiscate his winnings. According to the bettor, he deposited 1 BTC and lost it. Later, he deposited another 3 BTC and placed a single bet that won on plus odds, after which Cloudbet's KYC song and dance started.

The player submitted his US documents after disclosing to cloudbet.com that he was in France where the bets were placed from. He was told by their customer service representative via live chat that it was ABSOLUTELY FINE to play from France regardless of citizenship. However, after stalling for a while they refused to pay up, citing the player's American citizenship as the reason for denying him payment.

Leno123 won 4.5 BTC, currently $15,500. It is worth noting that the his US citizenship didn't stop cloudbet.com from keeping the 1 BTC - $3,400 - that he lost prior to depositing again. They triggered KYC only after the player won big and tried withdrawing his winnings. Thus, it is safe to assume that, had the player lost the second deposit he wouldn’t have been asked for verification.

Albert, a player from the Philippines took to askgamblers.com, a gambling arbitration platform to lodge a complaint about cloudbet.com for unnecessarily delaying his withdrawal. The issue was posted by the complainant on the 18th of January, 2019, and is still ongoing. The amount in question is 330.58 BTC, circa $1,129,000 using the current bitcoin exchange rate.

As is often the case with cloudbet.com, they asked the player for personal documents to complete KYC verification. He duly obliged and sent them all the documents they demanded. The documents are in his name, except for the utility bill which is in his wife's name. At the moment, cloudbet.com is using the utility bill as the sole basis for withholding the player’s withdrawal, claiming there are discrepancies in the information provided to them by Albert.

Subsequently, the player went to extraordinary lengths to prove he is who he claims to be, and has provided cloudbet.com with several documents as proof, including:

Picture of the utility bill with his wife's name.
Selfie showing his wife holding the utility bill.
Selfie showing both Albert and his wife holding the utility bill and his other identification documents.
A copy of their marriage certificate.
A copy of his property tax document .

However, cloudbet.com is still giving Albert from the Philippines the run-around and are yet to pay him.

Cloudbet.com casino user, Ginalli from Germany, on the 25th of January, 2019, posted on askgamblers.com that, cloudbet.com is withholding his withdrawal for 38 BTC, $130,000 at the current exchange rate. The player argues their logic and proof for doing so are unreasonable and contrived. The player deposited 11 BTC and won 38 BTC, but was asked for KYC as soon as he initiated a withdrawal. After submitting the required documents cloudbet.com still refused to honor the payment.

Cloudbet.com are accusing the player of cheating, stating he used external software to gain unfair advantage on the games in question. Thus, the player's account has been closed and all the funds confiscated. Nonetheless, the player Ginalli has refuted these allegations on askgamblers.com, and has succinctly argued why he didn’t do anything outside Cloudbet's Terms and Conditions. This seems to be another case where cloudbet.com is making up bogus excuses to avoid settling a big win.

Options available to victims
Victims of this type of fraud often find themselves helpless and without remedy. In many instances of cryptocurrency gambling fraud, where the operator is the guilty party, there limited options available to victims. It is near impossible to sue companies that operate anonymously and cannot be located easily. Victims are often limited to posting on forums and gambling message boards.

This is because many of these operators use shady gambling licenses that are issued in obscure offshore territories like Curacao. These questionable licensing authorities don't regulate the activities of their licensees, and does not offer any protection for players. Attempts to contact Cloudbet's licensing authorities in Montenegro and Curacao have failed, as both are still yet to respond.

Nonetheless, some victims have setup a website; cloudbetscam.com, to exchange ideas and raise awareness about the ongoing scams being perpetrated by cloudbet.com. They hope their investigations will uncover the individuals behind the cloudbet.com and sue them if possible. Additionally, victims can file online reports to the FBI, and help get the website taken down to save potential victims future losses.
11320  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Cloudbet not responding for my 330 BTC withdrawal on: February 08, 2019, 03:33:44 PM
I did everything already. Thanks guys for your support. Hopefully it will get resolve now, I have given everything. Proved everything. I am the owner, I am the only can access it. With 2FA. With email verification, with documents. With screenshots of my deposits withdraws. Come on. Just resolve this and lets just move on


When I read that "betting and gaming" sites require ID to refund or process winnings then that completely puts me off and I see a red-flag.

The complaints against Cloudbet mount up and I am on the verge of adding them to my Scam Alert signature.

I like Ronnie, a very nice polite person with great customer services but he is not involved in the technical and coding side of things not is he involved in the actual decision making and business administration are of the business.

This situation seems to be more about selective scamming then anything else. "Suspicious" behaviour on the Roulette game is one thing and problematic coding of the Roulette game in entirely another.

I am not impressed with the way Cloudbet have been treating its users.
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