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If anybody has the original 2017 whitepaper for the ICO please let me know because it will make up a crucial part of the evidence against scammer Dean Nolan if the UK Police (Scotland Sheriff) decide to prosecute.
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Had I bought the betking ~million dollars of tokens you privately offered me, would've your honored the buyback agreement? Or would've my tokens been treated the same as everyone else's?
You're asking if a business would be different or change it's roadmap if 4-5 months ago it raised an extra $1 million in investment? What do you think the answer is? The answer is that you are a pathetic scammer who would have taken $1 million from RHavar had you been successful in your attempt to dupe him, then when it would inevitably all have gone downhill you would have no doubt said to him " I did not force you to invest, you should have applied due-diligence. No, actually I said this-that but I meant that-this so it is your fault for investing. Anyway it is a business I changed the direction of the business to the terms you invested and I can do it unilaterally because I am a dictator." You pathetic little scammer - thankfully you fell flat on your face when you could not get RHavar to part with his crypto. Shame on you. So you say you can't prove i tried to scam you but leave a scam accusation anyway? That doesn't seem right and seems to be abuse of the trust system.
The other question can't be answered because PrimeNumber7 posted wrong information on how the ico, token value and buy back process worked. How about you post the right information instead of complaining how everyone is wrong without any information on HOW they are wrong? Much appreciated...  No chance of getting scammer Dean Nolan to respond that way How about you post the right information instead of complaining how everyone is wrong without any information on HOW they are wrong?
Much appreciated...
How about you read my posts and you would know the information? What makes you think you are entitled to any information about a competitors business? You're not an investor are you? How about you focus on your own site that raised $8-10 million and has not done any updates in the past year while your own token price has dropped 40%? Here we go again.... Scammer Dean Nolan never answers the questions put to him and then asks people to read his answers. What an idiot scammer Dean Nolan is. The scammer Dean Nolan that had $3.5 million in 2017 ICO funds for the bankroll but allegedly spent it on buy-backs to pocket cash while selling his own tokens too... The scammer Dean Nolan that had $3.5 million in 2017 ICO funds for "marketing, promotions, seo, design, development, server costs and legal"... and on top of that scammer Dean Nolan allegedly kept back 30 million tokens private tokens for "ICO bounties, testing bounties, advisors, hiring, future marketing and development".. yet still oversaw more than 99% drop in value of his beloved betking tokens is complaining to other website owners. The scammer Dean Nolan as recent as a few months back was trying to close betking and transfer over BKB tokens to his new "bitsafe" project but only AFTER having another ICO trying to raise $10 million of which nothing would go to BKB token holders - so it means scammer Dean Nolan would have it. Pathetic little shameless low-life. What an imbecile. Accounts involvedBetKing.io ( -254) BetKing Support ( -128) PocketRocketsCasino ( -126) dean nolan ( -64) |
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I have calculated how much each affected bankroll investor is owed and will credit the reimbursements and dilution fee credits tomorrow.
Have to thank you for your professional approach to all this and commend you. Not all website owners would have done that or have taken anywhere near the same approach. |
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I see absolutely no proof presented from anyone that I scammed token holders, including LoyceV I kinda wanted to give this post 50 Merit, and lock the thread. This post nicely summarizes your stance. Instead, I've just archived it. It's quite normal for the defendant to deny everything, despite overwhelming evidence. I don't think this topic has much more to offer. You have the red trust you deserve to warn others, I have my worthless tokens. Please do not lock this thread. Yes scammer Dean Nolan has the red trust he deserves but please keep this thread open because maybe one day he might want to visit here to post the word "sorry" which he clearly has difficulty in saying at the moment. |
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Which almost everyone in terms of amount BKB held the $ value of the BKB I didn't own is in favour of and has willingly swapped to BKT and gave support.
So those people were scammed?
so let's focus on who you directly scammed, which was token holders (like LoyceV). I am sure the crypto wallets owned by scammer Dean Nolan would provide evidence to the contrary   |
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Good luck with your next ICO scam (bitsafe was it?), you might want to create a new identity though if you want to scam people, as "Dean Nolan" is a bit tarnished now and people will see it coming. On November 30, 2018, I received a "Latest news" email from BetKing: Future of BKB and BetKing BetKing will be moving away from gambling and rebranding to become a Bitcoin bank, exchange and payment processor. We have already began work on this and we will launch in q1 of 2019. See https://bitsafe.io for more details and a working demo of the app. Once the new site is live BKB will be converted to BTSC (BitSafe Coin) automatically using the exchange rate of both tokens at the time. BTSC has similar utility to BKB in that it can be used to pay trade fees, merchant fees and any other fees on the BitSafe platform. BitSafe will also use 40% of it's quarterly profit to buy back BTSC on the BitSafe exchange. We believe these changes are best for BKB token holders and our future success together. On January 28, 2019, I received another email from BetKing: We are moving our token to the EOS platform and doing an airdrop to EOS token holders allowing us to reach a whole new market of players. Existing BKB holders will be able to convert BKB for the new token. We are launching a new exchange, design and games as well as hourly leaderboard promos and hourly dividends to token holders. We feel these changes combine the best of traditional off chain crytpo casinos with new on chain DApp based games and provide a whole new unique product. For full details on all the changes, how the new token works read the whitepaper here for all the details. https://medium.com/@BetKingIO/betking-eos-airdrop-whitepaper-f2834324d57cI didn't realize until now that these are different tokens!
no one here seems to understand that You've given many different pieces of incomplete information, and sometimes change posts afterwards. Wait..... So when you received the email on November 30, 2018 stating betking was going to close and be rebranded to "bitsafe" it means this scammer Dean Nolan was using betking ICO funds to pay developers to create "bitsafe" when those funds should have been used specifically for betking ! What a serial scammer low-life Dean Nolan is. |
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Hey, more amusing news. One guy, whose account was locked also, decided to send them his ID. The result was awesome:  As i said earlier, if you had not filled in your account details with the real name on the stage of registration, you won't pass the KYC: "Your ID details is different in your Account details". And the fields with name, surname, date of birth are read-only, lol. Bingo: your balance is "legally" stolen! Spread the word, please. Tradesatoshi are scammers. Oh well... |
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Why you choose to use that, anyway? I mean we have tons of good sites but you still chose that. Honestly, I didn't even dare to use that site since my friend warned me and even my token got listed there, I just wait for another site than to deal with it.
Btw, what happened on the other mail that you use? Do they respond?
You're right, there are many quality exchanges. But there was coin, which had chosen this exchange as first for listing, so i was trading with this coin there. Seems, they even unblocked my main e-mail, so i was able to send a support request, but got just a standard answer: 11.03.2019, 03:41, "Tradesatoshi" < neverbin16@tradesatoshi.com>: > Dear user, > > Did you already send the required documents for KYC?if it is , our verification team will verify those documents you provided and contact you through your account registered email address. > > Kind regards, > Mod Chicky Looks like, i will loose all the amount of the coin i was trading with. Bad experience for me, but good chance not to repeat it for us all. And from their email, it looks like they consider themselves a financial institution now?
Yeah, seems so) One guy pointed me at this: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09878766I'm not sure whether it means something, so i'll just leave it here.  Tradesatoshi Ltd is incorporated in Hong Kong according to its terms:  https://tradesatoshi.com/Home/TermsIt is currently a registered company in Hong Kong according to the register.  https://www.icris.cr.gov.hk/csci/I'm not sure where it was incorporated prior to this. It is likely that it moved its operation to Hong Kong prior to its de-registration in the UK. Interesting bit of information |
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Where's do you get that idea from?
Ok. I give up. This conversation has gotten unproductive. You just finished trying to argue that you didn't "cancel buybacks" because they were still going (under completely and far worse terms) which are happening ~1% of the official buy-back price. If there was a disingenuous award, you'd clearly win it. Anyway, I think it's pretty much telling that the only people who will come to your defence are BillyBurns who is clearly not a "normal" user and a bunch of newbie accounts that are offered BKB tokens to post on bitcointalk. So I guess everyone can clearly see what a scammer you are. Good luck with your next ICO scam ( bitsafe was it?), you might want to create a new identity though if you want to scam people, as "Dean Nolan" is a bit tarnished now and people will see it coming. Since "bitsafe" was mentioned...  The scammer Dean Nolan thought he would raise $10 million by the end of the bitsafe ICO. He only cancelled the bitsafe ICO when nobody was interested yet he claimed he sold over $880,000 worth of tokens and was going to consolidate BKB tokens in to BTSC tokens and close down betking because it was not going to be worth running any more. Just a few months ago he was going to close down betking because it was a failing business and here he is now saying it is the healthiest it has been for a long time. Scammer Dean Nolan contradicts himself all the time, he is an imbecile. Somehow, he had another brainwave and decided to scrap the pathetic "bitsafe" idea and keep betking going but using EOS BKT tokens in the hope to bring in 200,000 new users Serial scammer Dean Nolan |
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I don't think there's a way to have a productive discussion with someone who continues to ignore everything I say and just make assumptions
"To the best of my knowledge, he sold ~6.5M dollars worth of BKB, not bought a *single* one back at above the ICO price "
Yet I have stated many times I bought back 600 Bitcoin worth of BKB, all above ICO price btw, which is why I held 70% before the launch of the new platform.
So is anyone going to actually post evidence here instead of just making assumptions and twisting words or just straight up lying?
70% of the 2017 post-ICO 100 million tokens means 70 million tokens. Add that to the 2017 post-ICO 30 million tokens that were not for crowdsale, makes it 100 million BKB tokens. How is that possible? betking might have held 70% of BKB tokens before the EOS BKT token platform launch but you did not. That statement highlighted in bold gives the impression that you felt so confident in BKB that you spent your own money to buy BKBs. Stop lying and stop misleading and stop misdirecting. Scammer. |
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The "you didn't lose money if you didn't sell" narrative doesn't add up, tho. Your coins are always worth their face value, and if that value is down 99%, you lost 99% of your "investment" (maybe not permanently, though). When a dictator takes steps unilaterally to divert away from an ICO promise of fixed rate token values for buy-backs and says it was done with consensus when clearly it was not unanimous AND does not allow investors/BKB token holders to have a choice between either swapping BKB for BKT or asking for the buy-backs if refusing the swap - then something is clearly wrong. - Scammer Dean Nolan tried to dupe RHavar out of $1 million - Scammer Dean Nolan used unlicenced software rather than pay 2 BTC fee to the licence holder - Scammer Dean Nolan refused to pay 20 BTC +EV to winners of the 2018 betking Christmas Wager - Scammer Dean Nolan never released accounts nor allowed audits of betking ICO funds. We just have his word (which is fairly useless) that he used 50% of the ICO funds for "marketing, promotions, seo, design, development, server costs and legal" and that he used 50% of the ICO funds for bankroll - right - Scammer Dean Nolan claims he used 600 BTC from the 2017 ICO bankroll funds to purchase BKB token buy-backs but fails to declare how many BKB were purchased-back and how many of BKB were his personal ones - Scammer Dean Nolan made it clear in the 2017 ICO promotion 70 million BKB were for crowdsale and he would keep 30 million tokens for "ICO bounties, testing bounties, advisors, hiring, future marketing and development" but he also took profit on those 30 million BKB tokens thus diluting the profits of the 70 million BKB token holders - Scammer Dean Nolan stated as per condition of 2017 ICO that all funds would be held in cold storage but never provided any mechanism to check and verify this - Scammer Dean Nolan stated as per condition of the 2017 ICO "A percentage of profit made from bankrolled games will be used to buy back betking bankroll tokens from holders. All profits made on bankrolled games will be audited and made available to token holders as was done in the past with the crowdfunded bankroll profits. Bankrolled games are games where a player plays against the house such as blackjack and other games as well as 3rd party partner casino games. Player vs player games such as poker are not" - where did alleged 600 BTC of bankroll funds come in to the equation. That was the ruse, the scam to sell off his own BKB tokens - Scammer Dean Nolan wrote: "The token price was $0.09286 after the ICO. The token value is calculated as $0.09286 + ((total bankroll profit of eth, btc, ltc in $ at current exchange price) / 100,000,000) Which is now $0.0966. A profit of $0.00374 per token": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25690525#msg25690525The value of BKB held by LoyceV should have been 7278 BKB x $0.09286 (+profits) = $675.84 minimum flat rate without any profits to take in to consideration. If the site made no profit betking should guarantee a buy-back of BKB at $0.09286 as per scammer Dean Nolan personally guaranteeing he would cover it even if BTC dropped to $1 |
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BillyBurns (aka GNIKTEB on BetKing as seen on the screenshot) appears to be an admin/moderator on BetKing. His name is red in chat, and so is Dean's. All normal player names are blue. I think it's more likely that he is someone hired by Dean. (program choice is weird though; why Windscribe & ProtonVPN?) I have come to accept that when it comes to betking - expect the unexpected. As you rightly pointed out BillyBurns (GNIKTEB) is an admin or moderator on betking. His staunch defence of anything betking related makes it clear he has more than just an interest in betking (that has not yet been divulged). Either he is hired or he is somebody volunteering - either way he is a representative of betking |
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Where is the need?
Why should I explain to you when you've spent a year on this smear campaign?
Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?
Why should I explain to any trolls who just ignore what I say (all questions have been answered at some point in the past year but you ignored them or twisted my words).
Where are the people who I should explain to? Where are the people who feel that the site is a scam?
If I had scammed $6.5 million there should be hundreds of people posting in here demanding money back.
Where are they?
There isn't anyone.
All of you just proved that the forum is toxic and none of you should be trusted or have your opinions or views taken seriously.
Continue on with your circus. It means nothing. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going. That's who should be getting the attention.
I'm mobile so forgive the massive quote. Harder to edit and clip out the shit I want this way. Dean I have never had an issue with you to this point but in response to why should you explain anything to anyone, the answer is to protect your reputation. The fact is, you owe anyone who asks an explanation. Yes some are trolls but that doesn't matter. It's not like they're asking for your home address and want to visit you. They're asking legit questions. Where's the money, where's the buy backs, where are the massive wins to cause a huge drop in the token price? All legit questions whether coming from trolls or not Answer the questions and put the shit to bed. Getting pissed off will solve nothing and make the situation worse. Maybe you care maybe you don't but your actions define who you are and who the site is You are not the only one who noticed how he will avoid answering the questions. As you mentioned nobody is asking for anything except some information related to betking. These questions have all been answered many times over the past year. They just go ignored or have my words twisted to suit their narrative.
Where's the money? Been explained many many times and the people who it matters to most are very well aware of how the business operates.
Where's the buybacks? Been explained, they happen every day on the site.
Where's the massive wins causing huge drop in token price? See there's where you took their claims as fact. This never happened. Links? No point in even visiting here is there? Will you throw another tantrum, spit your dummy out and throw your toys out of your pram then make another threat to "leave" the forum just as you did many times before only to return with your tail between your legs? It never stopped you offering useless and worthless EOS BKT tokens as bounty for those fools that post here to promote your betking scam even though despise this forum and its members. Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.   |
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The scammers have put crypto in a bad light but the genuine projects make crypto worth looking in to
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The issue here, in my opinion, is not the fact that he's trying now. It's the fact that from what I see investors are simply getting way worse of a deal than what it used to be. This seems pretty clear wouldn't you think? Instead of getting quarterly buy backs (which were assumed to be a certain price) you're getting what now? Dean says nobody lost anything but the fact that you're only able to either wait or sell for a MASSIVE loss... that seems like losing to me.
Also Dean seems to just simply be dodging some of the questions. Like how did the value drop if there were no massive wins on the site and what not?
I'm more of a bystander here and I've been observing all of this quite a bit but none of my money is at stake so take that as you please. That is precisely the point. Scammer Dean Nolan seems to answer the questions he wants putting up a stern defence when he wants to but anything that exposes the way he mismanaged funds is ignored. He refuses to answer and refuses to acknowledge. Even his mouthpiece and betking representative BillyBurns comes back to defend his master scammer Dean Nolan with the flimsiest of defences but does not answer the questions. |
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We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going.
@Loyce, as token holder, are you happy the way how things are going? No. And I don't believe that many tokens holders will be happy. They owned a part of BetKing.io, which is going to close. Swapping tokens for a token worth 99% less doesn't make sense, but they are given no choice. Whatever new project is started, old token holders see their share diluted by 90%. The logical and fair thing to do, would have been to let token holders choose: a 100% buyback, or a token swap. however he excluded LoyceV from that buy-back To be fair, I've been included in the earlier quarterly buybacks (before they ended).That does not negate all the other issues including not allowing token holders a choice of either cashing in or going for the EOS token swap. Scammer Dean Nolan says he acts in accordance with general consensus of token holders but in reality he behaves like a dictator. |
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Thanks for negative trust. See how willingly you gave it to me, what is the reason?
What do you think? Where are the people who I should explain to?
One of them created this thread. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going.
@Loyce, as token holder, are you happy the way how things are going? Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves? Because someone is still holding tokens because you promised price of token will never drop https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122856.msg50269606#msg50269606 And some other things which have been repeated dozen times but you have never addressed them so I don't see point in repeating them.. Scammer Dean Nolan wrote: " The token price was $0.09286 after the ICO. The token value is calcualted as $0.09286 + ((total bankroll profit of eth, btc, ltc in $ at current exchange price) / 100,000,000) Which is now $0.0966. A profit of $0.00374 per token": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2150057.msg25690525#msg25690525The value of BKB held by LoyceV should have been 7278 BKB x $0.09286 (+profits) = $675.84 minimum flat rate without any profits to take in to consideration. If the site made no profit it should STILL guarantee a buy-back of BKB at $0.09286 which totals $675.84 because those were the terms of the 2017 betking ICO by scammer Dean Nolan. He claims he used 600 BTC of the bankroll to buy-back BKB tokens however he excluded LoyceV from that buy-back and also never explained how much of that alleged 600 BTC went directly in to his own pocket via him selling his own BKB tokens. I suggest the alleged 600 BTC used to buy-back tokens was a ruse, just a convenient way for scammer Dean Nolan to sell his own tokens alongside other token holders because any other outcome does not make sense. Sometimes he says he purchased the buy-back tokens at loss to himself and he owns 70 million BKB tokens and sometimes he says the 600 BTC of the bankroll was used to purchase the buy-back tokens. Scammer Dean Nolan conflates himself and betking as one-and-the-same as and when he pleases because it adds to the confusion and gives misdirection. |
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Well if Instabuy is stopped exactly how will demolition man Boris funds the final days of his disastrous misadventure called Minex?
Sell those Omni games shares for MNX, then start instabuy again. FFS. You just know that there will be some fucking muppets who are stupid enough to buy those scam shares. Am mystified how Boris is still running around scamming people. One would have thought that he's been in fucking jail already along with his fuck bois TemKunt and Yurez. That is one way to put it bluntly One day the law will catch up with him and that will be the end of the scam for demolition man Boris who will get a lengthy jail sentence. |
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Where is the need?
Why should I explain to you when you've spent a year on this smear campaign?
Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?
Why should I explain to any trolls who just ignore what I say (all questions have been answered at some point in the past year but you ignored them or twisted my words).
Where are the people who I should explain to? Where are the people who feel that the site is a scam?
If I had scammed $6.5 million there should be hundreds of people posting in here demanding money back.
Where are they?
There isn't anyone.
All of you just proved that the forum is toxic and none of you should be trusted or have your opinions or views taken seriously.
Continue on with your circus. It means nothing. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going. That's who should be getting the attention.
That is an excuse for you to avoid answering. Very immature, throwing another tantrum.Let us start with LoyceV as being oneThe way betking is going it will be dead soon. Your reputation means nothing to investors but those scammed have long memories and will never forget. For those that did not ask for an audit and took your word for where the money was spent, sadly they deserve to suffer losses as a result because they put blind trust in you. I would never trust a scammer like youSo because LoyceV owns 7278 BKB tokens will you answer his questions if he lists them? He is an original BKB token holder after all. If he sends me some BKB tokens and I become a BKB token holder, will you answer my questions about betking expenditure post-ICO? Well? |
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