I'm looking to hear more about this project because I also have the feeling that this forum is no longer the edged sword it was and I don't see any new project coming to change this.

It's indeed a bit strange to see people believing there is no climate change when 99% of scientific agrees on its existence.

But it's a little more complicated to link it to human activities. It's quite easy to show a correlation of course but... Well some people will tell you that correlation isn't cause-effect. And they would be right.

Technically I don't think we have really "proven" that climate change is vastly due to human activities at 100%. We still have tons of indirect proofs and clues but nothing 10% solid.

Nevertheless I still believe it's completely stupid to not take into account that there is a HUGE POSSIBILITY that climate change is entirely man-made and so that we should be extremely cautious about that. Cause after all:
-If we're wrong and planet can completely handle it and everything goes fine well it won't hurt to be cautious about the environment
-If we're right and planet can't take it well it would be necessary to be cautious about environment.

No of course I'm probably as biased concerning liberal economy... Just trying to point out you should keep and open mind and stop putting words inside my mouth :/
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. My point is communist countries failure is more linked to representative government than to communism so let's think about it again ><

I've cut it all because you more or less say the same things on the rest of your post "you should provide evidence that communism works before wanting to go again"

But that's not at all my point, I'm not saying let's do communism, I'm saying "hey previous failures are linked to representative government which had a complete and total power which leads to dictatorship. What happens if we put direct democracy instead?"

See?

Considering that previous presidents all did it about 4 or 5 times in their mandates it's not uncommon. Didn't say a lot but not uncommon.

And as far as I know he didn't visit troops in war zone that they be active or not.

How about you stop thinking we I have some kind of agenda against the guy? You keep saying shit like "good try" "nice try" like it's a personnal accomplishment to prove he made a mistake or failed at some point...

No that's not what I said please quote me entirely ><


You don't have a choice of which society you live in because you're born in it that's what I said!

Of course then you have all the choice in the world to try to change it. But you don't chose where you start from which is the main thing that will influence your life.

And I'm sorry if you're shocked by this but the group in which you're born will do whatever it wants to you.. That's already the case and it will always be. A group decides what should and should not be done to its members. Simple example if you're born in Western countries the group decided you must get mandatory first education and can't have sexual relationships before a certain age. Would you be born in an Islamic dictatorship the group would have made very different choices... The kid born has no saying in this

Ok so there is so much I disagree and so many things wrong with what you say... I'll try to go pieces by pieces ok? Let's start with the definition!


So let's take the definition of socialism:
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Ok so you've got two possible point of view here:

1/ For you a country is communist if economy is fully controlled by the community. Anything else is capitalism

2/ It's not a binary system and you just have countries being "more communist" or "more capitalis" than others considering how far they go in the regulation or nationalisation of the economy

Which one is yours? Because both are can be argued. Or maybe you even have a third one though I don't see what it could be.

Exactly, which leads to the question "is it possible to get one without the other?". Which is the whole point of this OP. I'm glad someone got it cause I had a feeling of hitting a wall with TECSHARE xD
I disagree here

To take something we all know (even if I'm convinced possibilites are more or less infitine and the best solution is yet to be created) let's take the constitution/laws system that is currently used. The rules aren't the laws but the constitution, because laws can be changed easily while constitution is supposed to structure society. If you change constitution you change society in a redical way.

So you're saying not everyone can participate to writing the rules? Why not? Of course not everyone can agree on something, that's impossible, but why couldn't a vast majority agree on something?

Ahah!
Well you reach another problem here which is the idea of choice. You can't have this choice. And i mean, it's just a fact, you can't have this choice that's all. You don't whose where you're born, well it means you don't chose which kind of society you live in, and if you're born in a group leaning towards the "nearly everything" while you're more on the "not much" side... Well I don't have a solution.

And I don't think those groups can coexist, it seems to me that those groups can only fight each other until one remains ^^

That's... Incredible and a bit worrying.

I don't know you trankil so I can't say if you're real or not but I don't understand how there can't have been a definitive answer on the subject by a mod or administrator?

Do you write them regularly? Might want to send Theymos 3 mails everyday ^^

But yeah unless you don't tell us something, it just makes me wish I never have a problem like this with my account cause it doesn't seem easy to get it back Oo

It's incredible but I actually globally agree with what you wrote. First time ever I believe.
That would be ideal but... Very complex to put in practice. I mean the problem is not to put the person away of this society but to find another society accepting this person. And more, it's a bit unfair because all "new persons" by that I mean all persons born in this society won't be given the choice.

What the hell it means that I more or less agree with a full BADecker post? Omg what's happening? 

I don't want to become a trusted escrow or manager or whatever. I'm here just to give free services for new members and people starting new projects. I guess I can easily escrow any transaction below 0.1BTC simply because of my account but again the goal is not to become a trusted escrow. Just to help out

Answer is in your sentence, problem is linked to the government not the economic idea
Where would you rather live? USA or Norway?
Cause if you look at the hapiness rankings of countries, top ones are definitely socialist countries.
What?? No not at all. Africa is the poorest continent and is more or less a capitalist paradise...
No you don't have a socialist economy, you're just in an elective dictatorship :/

Not so uncommon.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/27-times-the-commander-in-chief-visited-combat-zones

Sure but it means you should just make gambling illegal. As soon as it's legal it means some people will extort money from others. That's the very basic nature of gambling.

Really?

I don't see how people can say such thing though. USA is one of the worst country towards economic mobility (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_mobility#cite_note-6).

Countries like France or Norway which are much more "socialist" have a higher economic mobility. Isn't that a proof that capitalism IS NOT the best system to separate and reward pople based on their skills?

So in other newly news, in gambling the winner is the casino.

Incredible.

You got any more newly news we don't know?

I'm doing this step by step because you're so biased that you don't seem to actually read me. My point is not saying that communism works but that previous communist countries failed because of the representative government system. So that it's worth thinking about a communist direct democracy. Thinking about it, not saying it's the solution. There is a "can" in the title you know?

Why so? I never said communism works that's absolutely not my point... Please re-read me because I never wrote that and will never because I don't believe so. That's not the point of this OP.
Agreed. That's more the point of this OP which is to say that those deaths are linked to the dictatorship, which is a consequence of how communism was implemented.
I'm taking your link as a reference:

1"During argument, someone re-defines the group in order to exclude counter-examples. Instead of backing down from "all groupmembers are X" to "most groupmembers are X", the debater simply redefines the group."
Didn't do this

2"Before argument, someone preemptively defines some group such that the group definitionally must be entirely "good" or entirely "bad". However, this definition was created arbitrarily for this defensive purpose, rather than based on the actual qualities of the group."
Didn't do this

It's not a No True Scotsman because I'm not saying at all that communism works or is good or whatever.
Then as you love to say, if you bring a new argument please provide evidences to back it up.
Don't see the link with the argument... And until you bring any proof of that you just sounds like a conspiracy theorist to me ^^


I disagree strongly with the last part, first I don't see how what you describe is historically accurate because it just never happened anywhere. Second because the "opposition cycle" you talk about is much more linked to inequalities cycles for me. But that's a whole different argument you're discussing here ^^

You're completely right and I edited the post adding the fee for professional services.

I didn't put it first because it was not the main point of my post.

So for you "Implementing A" and "Trying to implement A but fail and implement B" is the same?
My point is saying that failure is linked to representative government, not the ideological concept.

It's exactly the same as saying that flying is impossible because you weren't able to fly just by moving your arms. It's not that flying is impossible, it's that you need a different kind of technology and a different approach.


Exactly, excellent comparison ^^

From what I see, most problems from the different economical or ideological systems come from representative government which is just elective dictatorship with extra step. If you can acti directly in the code as you say, then you create something completely different where you can apply your ideology/economic ideas.

Oh ok so you actually didn't understand my OP at all ^^

I'll try to make it shorter and easier:
-Past "communist countries" were not communist but dictatorship
-They failed to implemant communism and were transformed into dictatorship in the process

No true scotman would be saying "those states aren't proof of communism failure because that was not the right kind of communism"
I'm saying "they tried to implement communism but failed and were transformed into dictatorship on the way"

It's not that they implemented something which is not real communism, it's that when trying to implement it they failed completely and utterly because communism isn't compatible with representative governments. That's my point. Hope it was a bit clearer.

No I... Did you read me? ^^

That's not a coincidence at all and I explain that communism leads to dictatorship not because of what communism is but because of how it's implemented. The problem isn't communism/socialism but how we handle it. And my point is that new technologies might allow us to implement it in a different way.