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1101  Economy / Lending / Re: 🌟 m0gliE Lending services: decide your own rate, with or without collateral. 🌟 on: December 28, 2018, 06:07:46 PM
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1102  Economy / Lending / Re: 🌟 m0gliE Lending services: decide your own rate, with or without collateral. 🌟 on: December 28, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
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address for collateral:   0x2fe9E270073c6544952f6884d3D67D935B5dAb37
Collateral deposited.
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1103  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Common ground on: December 28, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
Perhaps. I do feel strongly that people are too tied to the necessity of 9-to-5, 5-days-per-week jobs, even though people have been working similar amounts (or less!) for 100+ years.

But it's important to put the cart before the horse! If government mandates low amounts of work, for example, then the economy might not be ready, possibly causing economic breakdown and poverty. It also puts a barrier in front of the minority of people whose primary desire may be to work as much as physically possible so that they can significantly move their family up the economic ladder. The government should just stay out of it and let people work as much as they want/need.

Ahahah
And that's where most of disagreements on the board come from I'd say.
Some wants less government.
Some wants more government.
I don't see how we can reconciliate those two visions. One has to lose so the other can win.

Or if there is a way I don't see it.
1104  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Common ground on: December 28, 2018, 04:14:45 PM
Even the USSR thought in this way to some extent, dreaming of a future where automation would solve everything, even though from today's standpoint they were laughably far from post-scarcity.

I doubt anyone would pretend we can get read of the idea of scarcity. If someone does he needs some serious argument on how he thinks he can limit human desires.

But fact is that we're pretty close to eliminate scarcity of basic human being needs which would be: food, water, home and common distraction.

Those elements can be provided for whole humanity with a pretty good amount of automation.

Bringing any "precise number" in the conversation would be silly but I doubt that more than a few hours of work per week on average on the human population would be needed to provide those elements. Most of our work are for not-mandatory needs.
Which doesn't mean they're not important of course.
1105  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Real Donald Trump Exposed... Who is He? on: December 28, 2018, 04:09:54 PM
No, let me explain. Suppose I say "The media is biased against Trump."
...and you say, "No, that's just your opinion."
...and I say, "Wrong. Surveys show 93% of times Trump is mentioned it's done in a negative light."

I've said nothing about my opinions...

Sure because opinion is no longer in the scope of the discussion as you brought a fact.

If you say "the media is biased against Trump" it's an opinion, if you say "the media is biased against Trump, as this study/survey show" it becomes a fact.

Also your example "Surveys show 93% of times Trump is mentioned it's done in a negative light." isn't exactly a proof of a biase against Trump as a negative light isn't a bias if the actions done by the individual are negative. I mean a serial killer will never ever get a "positive light review" in a media simply because there is nothing positive to say. See what I mean? But anyway I'm nit-picking because that's not the case for Trump, if you were to prove that 95% of media mention Trump in a negative way it would prove that they're biased against him ofc.
1106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] CargoCoin - Blockchaining Logistics on: December 28, 2018, 04:01:20 PM
Hello.

How do I check that a contract for those tokens is valid and not a scam?

i've got an adress contract but don't know how to verify it.

0xf49cdd50ad408d387d611f88a647179c3de3492b
1107  Economy / Lending / Re: 🌟 m0gliE Lending services: decide your own rate, with or without collateral. 🌟 on: December 28, 2018, 03:57:10 PM
Loan Amount: 0.1 BTC
Loan Purpose: personal. Bills
Loan Repay Amount: 0.108 BTC (8% extra)
Loan Repay Date: 2019.01.04 23:00 UTC
Type of Collateral: 4999 CRGO (erc20)
Bitcoin Address:  1ASipSY9Sii27SoUtgQLs6vbVXiid45d3T

address for collateral:   0x2fe9E270073c6544952f6884d3D67D935B5dAb37
1108  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist on: December 28, 2018, 02:43:24 PM
God's purpose isn't to appear in front of you. After all, His Spirit silently rides right along with yours in you. His purpose is to watch you in detail.

Damn that's freaky...
Don't want nothing inside me thanks
1109  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Common ground on: December 28, 2018, 02:32:17 PM
Some points which might find general agreement:
 - The freedom of individuals is important.
 - The prevailing banking/fiat system is on the whole bad.
 - In most places, the people would be far better off if major changes were made to their respective governments.
 - As long as scarcity exists, the existence of some form of trade is good.
 - Technology is good.
 - Humanity should dominate the universe.

Any others? Do you disagree with even those broad statements?

Well at least those are common grounds we can all agree about I'd say xD
Though you don't want to go deeper in any of those specimen, like what you mean exactly by individuals or freedom or important, or what kind of changes and so on.

But on the principle I guess we all agree on this ^^

The Politics & Society board is a dumpster fire of a sub-forum.
Which is incredible. I don't know exactly what happens here but it's not only a question of being factual, it's as if some people weren't able to... Communicate. I can't talk to TECSHARE, and I'm not putting the blame on him here. It's as if when we write a sentence, the meaning of this sentence were not the same for him or for me.

It's quite shocking how language is a poor communication tool by itself. We'd need to find something better cause we're deeply limited with just the words.
1110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 28, 2018, 01:24:22 PM


I would say that quote is bollocks.

How many people across the world own a piece of gold jewellery or a gold coin?

Gold is far more decentralised than bitcoin (mining and coin distribution is far from decentralised)

Completely agreed.

You can't on one hand be proud of the "1 million club" explicitely telling how centralized bitcoin is, and on the other hand saying that's it's more decentralized than gold.

Gold is everywhere, everyone owns a bit of it.
People own much more gold than cryptos on average I'd dare say.

And btw gold has a real world pragmatic usage, something that bitcoin doesn't.
1111  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist on: December 28, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
You can't use the logic of man to understand the greatness of God. You must take God at His Word.
So how do we know what are His Words? God hasn't appeared in front of me to explain me this otherwise I would believe in him 100%
Quote

After all, the heavens - space and the stars - are up there. But we as people barely have been able to make it to the orbit of the moon. And even our satellites have barely made it to the edge of the Solar System.

Cool

So heaven is somewhere in the universe for you?
1112  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gods/Divinity is no way anyhow humanist on: December 28, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
are there actually atheists in this group?

Yup but not as much as believers because once you talked to people like BADecker once or twice you stop trying to use logic to explain things about God ^^
1113  Other / Politics & Society / Re: American Capitalist Media gets out of controll and Mad on: December 28, 2018, 10:01:43 AM
-Not related to the question-

What is wrong with the article?
1114  Other / Politics & Society / Frexit? A potential rebirth for EU, or its end? on: December 28, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
Hello world.

Wanted to bring a subject on the table, a subject that is more and more representated in French politics and might become a reality in the next French presidential elections.

There was 11 candidates in last presidential elections (the only election important in the country, others are just useless bullshit as the president has all the powers). 7 of them want to leave the EU, counting as 48% of the votes. We're at the breaking point and a year and a half after that, it seems obvious that EU didn't get any new support in the population. So it seems reasonnable to suppose more than half of the population wants the Frexit right now.

Now Brexit was important because it was symbolic, but honestly who cares about the UK? They have always been the least enthousiasts of the EU, were the most independant and were already only obeying their former colonies aka 'Merica.
But France is one of the centers of EU, Frexit would mean EU has no longer nuclear power, 13% of its population, 15% of its GDP and the biggest part of its military strength (I know there is no EU army but there is an alliance). Moreover France is not an isolated islance, without it it means that Spain and Portugal at least are a bit "out" of the EU too.


Two questions emerge then:
-Is a Frexit such a good idea for France?
-What would be the consequences for the EU? Would it be the end?

For the first question... Well anyway if half the population wants out then country should go out. That it be a good or a bad decision doesn't really matter, that's what democracy is supposed to mean.
For the rest EU hasn't done much good to France for the simple reason that France is one of the most leftist country of Europe hence it has heavy regulations and taxes and work right specificities, and EU is basically destroying all of this.
EU meant the end of national companies (which lead to huge losses on the yearly balance of the country and rise of expenses for the people), end of tons of regulations that destabilized important industrial sectors, and the open market means a HUGE unfair competition with workers of Eastern Europe without any of those working rights.
Add to this the tax evasion and the... Complete betrayal of Belgium, Netherland and Luxembourg that should be considered as a casus belli for me.

For the second question, it seems to me that EU can continue without France of course, but would no longer be a great power. Simply because it would reduce its power drastically on all aspects:
-Economically it wouldn't be so bad, just a 13% reduction doesn't mean it's the end. Though Euro would be probably deeply fucked compared to the current situation, but that's more a trust issue.
-Politically it shows an incredible weakness of course, and you lose the only nuclear power and permanent member of the security council. That means you're just no longer a big player of the political field
-Militarily it's just the end. UK and France were the 2 biggest armies of EU, France being the first and having both nuclear submarines and carrier. With both left, EU can't do anything.


Your thoughts on this? For or against Frexit? And would it mean the end of EU?
1115  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Real Donald Trump Exposed... Who is He? on: December 28, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
Okay, and I understand where you are coming from. But if I was to say, for example, "Manifestly obvious that persons claiming Trump's shit are heavily flawed non-patriots."

It says nothing about my OPINION at all.

That IS an opinion and nothing more.

How can you link the fact of not liking Trump or his actions and not being patriot?
There is simply no link between the two. Those are completely different facts. You can have the impression it is the case of course and it might even be the case in reality, but unless you've conducted some kind of survey or statistical work on this question you're obviously just voicing your opinion.
Which is fine of course.
But it's just an opinion.
1116  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #metoo as I say, not as I do - Bill C-51 - Sexual Assault Law In Canada on: December 28, 2018, 07:01:06 AM
This is the part where your ignorance of the law matters. Lets start with the fact that this is the SUMMARY of the law. Meaning that is not the exact language of the law, that is this authors impression and review of it.  Also if you had any clue about what you were reading, you would see you quoted the previous version of the standards that have just been modified, as described just below that.
And you would see that the modifications made don't change the nature of the section...
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Basically you are cherry picking a legal document (lol) and on top of that the cherry you picked was actually a rock. You can't just take a small excerpt of it and ignore the rest. That is not how the law works. Every claim I made is supported within that text.


Here is something a bit more your speed: https://youtu.be/r9Wx0w0VZfw?t=548

[/quote]

Ok I'm done.
You make a claim without any kind of basis to support it and I'm the one who knows nothing.
There is nowhere in this whole freaking bill, written anything like "guilty until proven innocent".
There is nowhere in this whole freaking bill, writtent anything that can lead to such situation.

Either quote the sentence(s) that you see as responsible for such claim or stop blattering in the void.

And for me, I'm done. Sorry I wasted your time as you don't seem to have, even by the slightest, tried to read or think.
1117  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #metoo as I say, not as I do - Bill C-51 - Sexual Assault Law In Canada on: December 27, 2018, 08:24:44 PM
Thanks, that was very helpful.

https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/LegislativeSummaries/421C51E#a33

You just proved yourself wrong with your own source. As you said. Case closed.

Current section 276(2) of the Code bars an accused from presenting sexual activity evidence unless the evidence:

    is of specific instances of sexual activity;
    is relevant to an issue at trial; and
    has significant probative value that is not substantially outweighed by the danger of prejudice to the proper administration of justice

And nothing about being 'guilty until proven innocent' of course. Don't see how that's proving me wrong....
1118  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Real Donald Trump Exposed... Who is He? on: December 27, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Not as flawed as the masses of liars and creeps that are opposed to him, though, and they certainly can't claim to be patriots.

Sure. Anyone praising Trump is a not so flawed patriot, anyone claiming he's shit is a heavily flawed non-patriot.

Pretty much that's the way it is. I mean this empirically. Any questions?

Nope. You got the right to believe whatever you want as long as you don't state it as a solid fact  Wink
1119  Economy / Reputation / Re: TECSHARE and his logic on: December 27, 2018, 04:33:23 PM
Hello everyone.

So I've got huuuuuuge problems trying to talk with TECSHARE......

I'm puzzled by not really seeing the problem in your excerpts. Something seems clear to you when you read them but not to me.

On climate change of course you are on the defensive. You really are repeating beliefs and correlation, not causation. That's not necessarily bad but let's just be clear about it, rather than calling it "scientific proof."
You're not finding any problem here?
You're exactly the "self-made man" example who just can't understand why people aren't succeeding. 

[...]

Well no. Not at all. It's because you're smart, you worked hard, and you got LUCKY.

[...]
Was my success mine? Sure. I worked my ass off and my parents too! They sacrificed themselves for me that's for sure. I believe I'm both smart and capable and the company paying me is sure happy to do so.

But more than any of that, I was lucky.

I see so, your success is your own, and you earned it, but his success is luck?

For climate change of course. never argued it was correlation not causation. We even agreed on that if I remember correctly.
Correlation suggests a potential causation it doesnt prove it that's for sure.
1120  Other / Politics & Society / Re: #metoo as I say, not as I do - Bill C-51 - Sexual Assault Law In Canada on: December 27, 2018, 04:27:54 PM
For fuck's sake just go read the damn law:
https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/LegislativeSummaries/421C51E

IT NEVER SAYS THE ACUSED IS GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT

NEVER

It's never stated, never suggested, never written in any way.

Stop saying pure bullshit and start actually reading please.


And next time you want to make a point about a law, instead of opening a thread with a useless 10 lines vague article go check the law for yourself and state clearly which parts of the law you disagree on.

Case closed, next please.
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