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721  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 07:35:23 PM
Btw. Im pretty sure marx would go all in crypto if he would live today.


And also capitalism is not the reason we have the internet.

Say thanks to nuclear warfare.
He wouldn't because he is a leftie. Look around, even in this very thread. How's the distribution? Other than Harry and yogi and maybe a few others, everyone is some shade of right. Even Bob the black gay cowboy.


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722  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 07:28:47 PM
20M in buy orders just went back on stamps book.  Weapons hot!

And so it begins, will this dry the current blood in the streets ? or will more blood be spilled ?
Stay tuned..
Buy wall or buying up the sell orders?

Let me refer you to Icygreen, i'm just an observer in this Wall Observer thread.
By the way to OP : great thread you created.....

RSI 2014/15 levels

over sold indicators peaking

a little lower and there will be no lower

feb 2014 to march 2015 was the only time RSI was lower than now (other than 2011)

 boom coming soon

(mt gox sell off could hold market back for a while though) - meh manipulation
723  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 07:13:32 PM

again, you're acting like all things marx related - no matter how small - are inherently evil. but there are multiple countries, as i already pointed out ,that have various socialist systems, democractic ones and under royal authority as well, depending. russian style soviet rule? oh yea. bad. sure. universal healthcare and reasonable corporate regulation, like living wages? eh, i don't see it.


Media is a great psychological tool.

Used very well in early print days to provide a narrative - WAR, Stockpiling etc
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/21/sweden-distributes-be-prepared-for-war-cyber-terror-attack-leaflet-to-every-home

creates a new economy


You could create anything


1) A revolution against your monarchy Russia 1917
2) A war in Europe - USA 1917
3) A new state - Israel - Balfour declaration 1917
4) A European Nation (Council) Versailles treaty 1918

and on and on




all very true.


I like this one "hidden" (Important part of the narrative I think) gem about Paul the Apostle

Saul of Tarsus (The christian hunter) became Paul the Apostle

unless you read the facts, then the narrative is what you follow

What a great person Paul the Apostle was
724  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
Going to see the new star wars today mat the force be with me down there

You do realize the people who make that garbage are openly admitting to have a SJW agenda at this point? Right? They publicly rant and rave about it on twitter. One of them even said one of the main characters is a "pan-sexual". You couldn't pay me to partake of that tripe.

eh, so what? doctor who had an "omni sexual" character years ago.

also, who cares what a character's sexuality is? is he an interesting, fully developed character wor a paper cutout? dreams, aspirations, etc... that's what matters about a character.

also, light sabers and the force and such. yay.

but seriously - if you don't like it, ok. don't watch it. no big deal. hell, i haven't seen it. but why care if someone else is going? you know full well how hollywood and disney view things. the audience won't change them unless, en masse, we rejected them, which you also know isn't going to happen, as the majority of society is relatively accepting and more inclined to live and let live, for better or worse as it may be.
Because communism killed at least 150 million people in the 20th century, and we are heading the same way again.

...wow, that's... quite a leap. from star wars to 105 million dead, i mean. but, you're not entirely wrong in the "heading that way" aspect, sort of. not so much communism and stalin style, as socialism, like what is seen in multiple Scandinavian countries, and seems to do quite well for all involved, though not living there i could obviously be wrong.

also, should we talk about how many capitalism has killed? harder to define, certainly, but not zero. a friend lost his mother last year, as needed medical procedures weren't covered.someone, somewhere, literally decided she wasn't worth the money. that's... not a good system.
Leftism is marxism. A movie is a small thing, but by spending money on it you support it.

Capitalism is the reason you can complain about it to a stranger halfway across the planet through a magical typewriter connected to a global communication network.

again, you're acting like all things marx related - no matter how small - are inherently evil. but there are multiple countries, as i already pointed out ,that have various socialist systems, democractic ones and under royal authority as well, depending. russian style soviet rule? oh yea. bad. sure. universal healthcare and reasonable corporate regulation, like living wages? eh, i don't see it.


Media is a great psychological tool.

Used very well in early print days to provide a narrative - WAR, Stockpiling etc
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/21/sweden-distributes-be-prepared-for-war-cyber-terror-attack-leaflet-to-every-home

creates a new economy


You could create anything


1) A revolution against your monarchy Russia 1917
2) A war in Europe - USA 1917
3) A new state - Israel - Balfour declaration 1917
4) A European Nation (Council) Versailles treaty 1918

and on and on


725  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 06:44:22 PM
you know full well how hollywood and disney view things. the audience won't change them unless, en masse, we rejected them, which you also know isn't going to happen.

I'm not about to go on a crusade but if I can convince one person not to give his money to rabid ideologues who are trying to destroy our society than that is better than nothing.

RABBId ideologues, you mean?
I'm sure the producers are joos. They all are.

You could open a nice thread with a few other WO participants. An echo chamber. Not as good a gas chamber, I know, but we all have to make do with what we have.

winter is coming

Abraham's children want their land back





its just a fact

no anti whateva involved


tribe of benjamin hold the torch

726  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2018, 08:59:57 AM
Currently 18.5% of your guys think BTC will be over 12K May 31  Huh
   
I personally voted for sub 6K, but price could be in the  6,000-$6,500 area

Or it could be anything else between $7,000 & $10,000. The way you’ve posted there is overly bearish & suspiciously shilling.

Or anything between 6000 and 10000. 7-10 is Overly bullish

Even though you are kind of serious, Majormax, I will take your above characterization as "dry" joke.  As opposed to a "wet" joke.

Forgot the /sarc


..but just demonstrating that this kind of poll is pointless in such a short timeframe.


Its just a bell-curve probability around the current price. Ask any option/future trader. Maths

Even though I don't agree with the Majormax suggestion of a kind of nearly inevitable bitcoin downtrend to be necessary prior to a return to UP, I do agree with you that likely there would be more value in the construction of more creative poll questions...  

12000 about mid june/ end of may up to that

compare charts last 4 years



727  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
Next wave of technology on the blockchain


Gonna change the world

https://k.im/
The Ultimate Content Monetisation System


https://coinsutra.com/atomic-swap/
https://twitter.com/lightning
Decentralized exchanges


Then decentralized social networks and business operations
Propaganda hit piece
https://www.wired.com/story/decentralized-social-networks-sound-great-too-bad-theyll-never-work/

https://windowsreport.com/decentralized-social-networks/

https://sphere.social/   - here it comes


Exciting stuff coming
728  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2018, 07:55:02 PM

Yet good to use as a money transfer

Don't invest in Bitcoin, use it as a means of money transfer: Mark Mobius

..." I say I am both because I can see the need for this transmission system but I do not see it as a store value, it is not a store value ".....

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/expert-view/dont-invest-in-bitcoin-use-it-as-a-means-of-money-transfer-mark-mobius/articleshow/61995138.cms


Nice way to transfer large sums of money, not like you want bitcoin to go away


Need cheap coins for your friends


buy the dip

729  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2018, 07:41:11 PM

2. Who gives a XXXX

we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...

To be fair, menace has been teetering on the edge for a while.

It is pretty amazing how effectively some people are able to demonstrate the abrasive nature of their personality in a few lines of text.

Thanks for the heads up

did not realize it come across that way

time for a reality check, do not want to be abrasive


2. Instead of Who gives a XXXX, I Should of typed
who cares?

lol

I understand again apologies

I think "who gives a fuck?" is fine, depending on the tone and the emphasis that you intend to provide.

If you later concede that you did not intend such tone or emphasis, then so be it... Any of us can make those kinds of mistakes.. seems to me.

I am sure the board can handle a few here and there, but the rules do need to be implemented.

I like jojo69 response to a question about mtgox in 2012 manipulating the market

"Who cares" is a much better response to the question of my spelling their instead of there.

anyhow amazing coincidence at the time, a discussion on mtgox bankruptcy manipulating sell offs was happening and here I am quoting jojo69 and the thread was the same manipulation mtgox was doing in 2012

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58848.msg693795#msg693795

Seems that you are making two main points in your above response post:

1) regarding word choice, and whether there might be better or worse ways to make your point:   If you make your post in a kind of rash, then in those situations, you might make mistakes regarding your word choice, and sometimes, you may go back to your post and consider that your word choice is not fitting for what you were attempting to communicate.  Even though, from time to time, I am criticized for my word choice, including the length of my posts, there are pretty rare times that I would either change the post or go back to rewrite the post, because the vast majority of the times, my word choices are what I chose at the time and are reflective of my then thoughts on the topic.  

In the end, I think that the point is that each of us makes a choice about how much to edit or reread our posts before we hit "post." So, there is a considerable amount of personal discretion there, including the discretion to modify our posting practices.

2) ongoing mtgox manipulation:  This subject matter of mtgox manipulation comes off as another one of those distracting and misleading talking points that seems to infiltrate into a lot of discussions, including discussions by seemingly smart people who are finding a pattern or attempting to find a pattern.  I remain of the "who gives a shit" perspective on this particular talking point.  Sure, you can include mtgox into your analysis, but it remains one of many factors that seems retrospectively over-hyped.  For example, when the trustee first began to sell coins between December and February, those sales were not getting too much publicity, but after the fact, they are being described as if they were in the public consciousness at the time of the initial dumps and able to affect the price.  I remain of the perspective that there was so much trade volume between December and January that the mtgox coin dumps were quite unlikely to have any kind of meaningful effect, but such supposed effect has been exaggerated after the fact in order to attempt to get affect on the current price dynamics,  and in order to attempt to shake some additional weak hands of their bitcoins.



Yep I know what you mean

finding it very hard to comprehend narratives about the just and legal way courts, ministers and legal authorities are affecting the market.

One reason Bitcoin was created because the banks around the world stole everyone's money 2008 GFC

yet here we are quoting these authorities as gospel

With so much corruption it is easy to ascertain what those in position of market manipulation are doing, they nearly all tied at the hip and benefiting of each others knowledge

Panama Papers

No tender Downer AUS Ambassador and Clinton trade practices

and it goes on and on.

Yet hardly anyone is able to imagine a narrative of Jamie dimon JP Morgan and the japanese finance minister colluding to get cheap coins for their friends.

It is the obvious solution to how the market played out.

Not that I am concerned the narrative is accepted, just sharing for anyone, it is good for me cause selling when need and buy the dip


730  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2018, 08:31:44 AM

2. Who gives a XXXX

we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...

To be fair, menace has been teetering on the edge for a while.

It is pretty amazing how effectively some people are able to demonstrate the abrasive nature of their personality in a few lines of text.

Thanks for the heads up

did not realize it come across that way

time for a reality check, do not want to be abrasive


2. Instead of Who gives a XXXX, I Should of typed
who cares?

lol


I understand again apologies


I think "who gives a fuck?" is fine, depending on the tone and the emphasis that you intend to provide.

If you later concede that you did not intend such tone or emphasis, then so be it... Any of us can make those kinds of mistakes.. seems to me.

I am sure the board can handle a few here and there, but the rules do need to be implemented.

I like jojo69 response to a question about mtgox in 2012 manipulating the market

"Who cares" is a much better response to the question of my spelling their instead of there.



anyhow amazing coincidence at the time, a discussion on mtgox bankruptcy manipulating sell offs was happening and here I am quoting jojo69 and the thread was the same manipulation mtgox was doing in 2012

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58848.msg693795#msg693795

731  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 09:55:22 PM

2. Who gives a XXXX

we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...

To be fair, menace has been teetering on the edge for a while.

It is pretty amazing how effectively some people are able to demonstrate the abrasive nature of their personality in a few lines of text.

Thanks for the heads up

did not realize it come across that way

time for a reality check, do not want to be abrasive


2. Instead of Who gives a XXXX, I Should of typed
who cares?

lol


I understand again apologies
732  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 09:39:50 PM

2. Who gives a XXXX


we use a thing called language here...it is for communicating

bye bye

Oh come on. That's a bit harsh. Take it easy.  Smiley
"crypto is electronic currency" and my personal welcome "Your welcome" already made my day.
Apparently the previous IQ discussion is still relevant. Legendary...

yeah apologies for the language, obviously did not realise it was part of T&C

appreciate the discussion

no anger intended

733  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 09:20:56 PM


I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?

Bitcoin was not version 1


That is my opionion

thanks for the memories


Not crypto still version of electronic currency

NEW eLibertyDollar (eLD)

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidalert_2_27_2008.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/westpac-in-global-money-laundering-scandal/4720050


The Westpac Bank has been caught up in what US authorities are labelling the largest international money laundering case ever brought.


bet you will find some friends their too


1. Do you know what crypto is?
2. Do you know the difference between their and there?
3. Thank you for answering my questions.

1. Yeah crypto is electronic currency

2. Who gives a fuck

3. Your welcome




734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 08:51:19 PM


I'm really surprised to see such a complete solution in a version 1 product. Know what I mean? When someone comes up with something this novel, normally, the first attempt will crash and burn. So I give Satoshi a lot of credit. He deserves every single bitcoin he owns.





How do you know BTC was version 1 ?  How many versions might not have survived ?

Bitcoin was not version 1


That is my opionion

thanks for the memories


Not crypto still version of electronic currency

NEW eLibertyDollar (eLD)

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidalert_2_27_2008.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-29/westpac-in-global-money-laundering-scandal/4720050


The Westpac Bank has been caught up in what US authorities are labelling the largest international money laundering case ever brought.


bet you will find some friends their too
735  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 08:42:27 PM
Target 1 would be 8,600-8,800$ if BTC breaks that we are off to the 9,000$ level again.


Everytime it breaks $9000 somebody on reddit creates a topic and says "this is the last time we see btc under $9k" and then few days later we go under $9k again.

I think they are dumping on us and like many told before they'll keep dumping it till we hit below $5k. They probably have enough bitcoins to give us 2-3 painful years before the next big boom.

It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!




The Mtgox coins will be used by in conjunction with the japanese finance minister, central banks and the courts in ensuring the bitcoin price is cheap for friends to buy.

Come November 2018 - if lucky

They will have no more control and then we hope to see a real bitcoin market price.


In your opinion (with little to no evidence to back it up)


The opinion does not matter, research it what does.

Does the opinion hold merit

What evidence (your right) is there


these are not for me to explain but for any body who wants to look further to find out.

Tip one correspond all major bank, coin moves in media with charts and you can see the friends having fun

Does Jamie Dimon know the Japaneses finance minister...



736  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2018, 08:32:56 PM
Target 1 would be 8,600-8,800$ if BTC breaks that we are off to the 9,000$ level again.


Everytime it breaks $9000 somebody on reddit creates a topic and says "this is the last time we see btc under $9k" and then few days later we go under $9k again.

I think they are dumping on us and like many told before they'll keep dumping it till we hit below $5k. They probably have enough bitcoins to give us 2-3 painful years before the next big boom.

It is mt. gox damn it....from what I figure they have to dump $240 million in usd of BTC a month, to get the liguidation done by the end of this year....*them

trustees want their cut and the Japanese Gov't wants this all over with)

thus, we will go to 9k and drop to 7k and rinse wash repeat for a month or two...then the mt. gox trustees will have a timeline, say end of the year and we will

drop to 4k ...it is gonna suck!




The Mtgox coins will be used by in conjunction with the japanese finance minister, central banks and the courts in ensuring the bitcoin price is cheap for friends to buy.

Come November 2018 - if lucky

They will have no more control and then we hope to see a real bitcoin market price.
From $6000USD  upwards


737  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2018, 10:45:31 PM
so are we going to moon soon Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

Everyone on Reddit seems to think so, so I'd grab as big of a personal loan as you can while you still have the chance to hop on the rocket.

Well on reddit and twitter is like since 5 months that we are going to skyrocket to 100k anytime TOMORROW or maximum NEXT WEEK. So I guess they are not the right places LOL


if everyone knew every June it increases by up to 60% for the last 4 years

and then drops July 1st by 30% every four years

would it do the same again

738  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2018, 08:56:14 PM
Its ok you can believe that.

Millions of us no longer follow the narrative or laws of most of 20th century laws and history (made in fear to monopolize and centralize the economy)

So now they can all go away.

So your plan to defeat the (((rulers))) is to use a system that has built-in, rent seeking middlemen residing over every transaction that you must pay a ransom fee to transact, while also asking them permission to transact at all, and simultaneously deleting the 5th amendment where anything you do is evidence against you by default, instead of using silver and gold which has none of these problems?  You're trying to con people into believing dystopia is utopia.

As much fun as it is to play the narrative going here.

Your projecting and baiting.

Step it up a bit it might get interesting.



Come on, its easy when you see it - we both talking about the same thing....



739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Mathematically at some point the blockchain will be a see all and do all at any point in time instantly for any app based tool.

The only thing mathematically certain about bitcoin is that transaction validators are mathematically designed to centralize, and that means it's mathematically certain to be a permissioned ledger where the rulers ruling over you can do anything they want, from blacklisting all your funds, to slipping in things like chain anchor, to altering coin count and anything else.  If you wish to be ruled over and be someone's bitch in a dystopian technocracy, then bitcoin is for you. If not, there is silver and gold.

Good one

Problem the same transaction validators were used on gold and silver a long long long time ago (Welcome to the already dystopian technocracy)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

I agree with you, nothing is safe

The trading with the enemy act where "THE CORPORATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" declared inhabitants of North America as enemies of the state is not a transaction validator.  Metals don't have transaction validators! (aka middlemen)

Its ok you can believe that.

Millions of us no longer follow the narrative or laws of most of 20th century laws and history (made in fear to monopolize and centralize the economy)


Quote that all you want we believe and will always believe the centralization of all stocks and commodities in the 20th century and the fact remains The US government 1933 stole the gold from its people, The US federal reserve 2008 stole the cash from the its people.


So now they can all go away.



740  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2018, 08:09:23 PM
Mathematically at some point the blockchain will be a see all and do all at any point in time instantly for any app based tool.

The only thing mathematically certain about bitcoin is that transaction validators are mathematically designed to centralize, and that means it's mathematically certain to be a permissioned ledger where the rulers ruling over you can do anything they want, from blacklisting all your funds, to slipping in things like chain anchor, to altering coin count and anything else.  If you wish to be ruled over and be someone's bitch in a dystopian technocracy, then bitcoin is for you. If not, there is silver and gold.

Good one

Problem the same transaction validators were used on gold and silver a long long long time ago (Welcome to the already dystopian technocracy)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102


I agree with you, nothing is safe

to me bitcoin is the most decentralized market (slowly disappearing) I have ever seen

best shot for me to win


as always "Diversify Assets"


It has a double meaning

"and get peeps movin a way from the gold"


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