Hmm, so science class could be creation 'science' if the parents and teachers in some school decide so? greeeat.
Are you suggesting that if a parent wishes her child to be taught creationism, and a teacher wishes to teach it, that such activity should not be allowed?
Such activity should not be allowed... Although I believe in certain segments of "creationism", I personally don't wan't my kids going to school to learn "theory's". I want them to go to school to learn facts. Is that to much to ask? *Just an observation* I would never prevent you from sending your child to whatever school you prefer. Why would you prevent other people from doing the same? I think creationism is pretty stupid, personally. That said, if a parent wants to teach it to their child, that's none of my business, nor yours. Remember also that it used to be a fact that the sun revolved around the Earth. |
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Hmm, so science class could be creation 'science' if the parents and teachers in some school decide so? greeeat.
Are you suggesting that if a parent wishes her child to be taught creationism, and a teacher wishes to teach it, that such activity should not be allowed? You prefer that one monolithic governing body decide what is truth and teach it universally? Can you guess what would be the state of science if education in all of history had been taught only by one monolithic organization? Why... we'd still believe in creationism. |
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These attackers, they are probably highly paid or have some other incentive bigger than we know. Bitcoin threatens the whole monetary system. A fight like this is to be expected.
We should expect bigger hits in the future. Be prepared. My words will prove true all in good time.
Update: For those who don't know, pools are being knocked down by DDOS attacks. There's no profit lying in plain sight with this one folks unlike the exchanges. There is an entity out there that wants this whole thing neutered.
You need to just stop fucking posting. You are a dumbass kid who knows nothing. Classy |
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Sent a coin. Maybe it'll teach those socialists that voluntary charity can work instead of coercion  Side note: google'd the payment address - over 600 results. You can see lots of interesting places around the web where this is being discussed. |
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I'm really glad that people want Bitcoin to be a part of the OWS movement, but I would beg you to reconsider this. I've visited Zuccotti Park three times over the past several weeks and I can tell you this would not go over well. The General Assembly is *not for speeches* (even if celebrities sometimes derail it). The GA is how the organizers arrive at day-to-day tactical decisions. They figure out what to do next in response to the ever-changing conditions, and how to resolve any problems that have come up. They are at an especially critical moment right now as a stand-off with the city is developing, ostensibly over who is in charge of cleaning the park.
As for as advocating solutions to society's problems – that is what happens all day, every day. As you might imagine, every single person and group with a non-mainstream agenda is down there promoting it right now. Bitcoin should be in the mix too. People are extremely receptive when approached as individuals, so by all means bring down those cards and any other literature and get people involved.
But let's be honest. Yes, Bitcoin could very well make the entire nation-state system obsolete, it is just that profound, but that doesn't change the fact that you're all looking out for your ROI. This speech reeks of it. If the human mic is fed a sales script being recited by a girl that you "have," it will just plain crap out and leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth wrt Bitcoin.
Basically, there are no short-cuts here. If you want Bitcoin to play a role in the movement, join it. I for one will definitely be there talking about the role that Bitcoin might eventually play as a network starts to develop between the popular movements cropping up in various cities and countries.
Well said... I'm sympathetic to your argument. I think if we were not trying to give away bitcoins, then it would sound much less salesy... but perhaps much less effective if people don't get a take-away. Not sure what the best course of action is. I'll default to the judgement of the people on the ground. And again, you advanced your argument well. +10 points for you. |
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I put the blame everywhere, but ultimately the rich are a target because under a Bitcoin economy redistribution of their wealth will have to be the end goal in order to reward the productivity of the working man.
If the marketplace values the work of the "working man" then it will pay him accordingly. Stealing resources from people who have harmed nobody is not okay. If you think the working man deserves more, you are welcome to hire him - indeed if he is so much more productive than his wage indicates, then you should outbid the other employer. The idea of "redistributing wealth" becomes even more silly when you realize that wealth is produced, not distributed in the first place. What a rich person has, he earned (unless he engaged in fraud or theft), and what someone earns, he deserves to keep. Wealth is not a pie to be sliced up evenly. It is produced, and belongs to the producer exclusively. |
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Hmmmm so productivity has increased, yet inflation-adjusted income has remained flat. Perhaps that means non-inflation adjusted income has risen, and perhaps that means the inflation tax is where you should channel your antagonism - toward the money printing that is robbing families without them knowing, instead of toward the corporations employing people toward productive ends.
I do put a large part of the blame there. That's why I love Bitcoin, once we stop printing the wealthy will no longer be able to unfairly perpetuate their advantages and more rewards for productivity will go where they belong. As the 53% movement proves, people are working multiple jobs and still not having the full benefits one should expect for that amount of work. They put the blame for that in different places than the 99% folks, but we are all in agreement it is a problem. Good! But again, anger at "the wealthy" is not correctly targeted. The wealthy are not inflating anything. It's the central banks (The Fed in the US), the politicians who permit it, and the public who votes for those politicians (poor and rich alike). Those are the valid targets of ire. |
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Hmmmm so productivity has increased, yet inflation-adjusted income has remained flat. Perhaps that means non-inflation adjusted income has risen, and perhaps that means the inflation tax is where you should channel your antagonism - toward the money printing that is robbing families without them knowing, instead of toward the corporations employing people toward productive ends. |
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Bitcoin: the cutting edge of begging technology.
US Dollars: the cutting edge in theft technology. I'd rather have people politely ask for voluntary donations than simply steal my money via inflation. |
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Free market is like communism, it exists only in words.
Wrong. The free market is quite real... it's merely the aggregate of all voluntary exchanges which are not interfered with through violence. Unfortunately, it is under constant encroachment. |
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The end game of your race for efficiency leaves us all making a dollar an hour in miserable conditions while the richest few hoard the lion's share of the wealth.
That statement is as wrong as if I said up were down, or that ice were hotter than fire, or that 1+1=3 Efficiency enables the production of material wealth at lower material cost. By so doing, more goods are available at lower marginal expense than otherwise. What used to require a pair of hands to work two days, now requires but one day, and tomorrow will merely require a machine, enabling the hands to seek more productive use elsewhere. Notice that your own hands no longer till fields for 12 hours a day merely to keep you fed. You now likely work only 5 days per week, perhaps 8 hours per day, and even so have an income that enables enjoyments far beyond food. Do you not ponder where such advances come from? The "race for efficiency" is why you and I have computers on which to type messages to each other. It's why we have cars. It's why the poorest people in America have air conditioning and television, when only 100 years ago even the richest were not able to enjoy such luxury. With so much antagonism toward a "race for efficiency" - do you advocate instead a race for inefficiency? Such a prescription leads to impoverishment, is that not clear to you? You say you care about the worker... yet you prescribe him poison. Not only is your philosophy economic folly, it is immoral... for as bad as it would be to use violent force to enrich people, it is certainly worse to advocate using force to impoverish them. |
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Nice! I like how they promote mining as a way to earn the coins needed to enter tournaments.
Yeah quite brilliant really! I'd imagine the Starcraft community has a greater collective hashing capacity than current BTC miners... 5 million copies sold, all running on at least a modest GPU. |
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Interesting point. The problem is that even leveraging automation, it is impossible for the blue-collar worker to out-produce the CEO because the CEO is deemed to be responsible for all of the production of the workers under him or her. Sometimes CEO bonuses don't even seem to rely or performance measurements. I like when they get a huge bonus for making the company extra money by cutting worker salaries and benefits or shipping jobs across the world. It takes a true visionary to come up with a plan like that. That's scarce value right there. And if you somehow fail at that, hey, golden parachute. Why should a company pay more than it has to for labor? When you go to the grocery store, and you see $5 bread, do you willingly pay $6 for it? Or speaking more directly of labor - if a gardener charges you $50/hr, would you pay $60/hr to his competitor for the same work? If not, then you're acting in the same rational self-interest which compels a company to reduce labor costs whenever it can. And why shouldn't a company hire overseas, if the workers there are willing to work at lower cost? Are Americans so wonderful that they deserve the job even when a foreigner will do it more efficiently? You seem so concerned with the plight of workers and their salaries, but it seems you care only for the American worker and his salary - happily sacrificing the opportunities for poor foreigners so that the people around you can be paid an artificially high wage. How do you justify these opinions you hold? |
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SC2 doesn't have cross region support so ironically none of the nationalities you mentioned can play against one another unless they purchase a second account for another region.
Regardless, I'm pretty sure the owner posted in reddit.com/r/starcraft today.
I look forward to its success.
Oh I'm a noob hahaha Well, surely my sentiment will be true for other games without region-specific matching =) Nevertheless, such sites are a huge market for Bitcoin, and a perfect application of the technology. |
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You missed my point about the caste system. Some people are considered more valuable because of their class, not their skills.
Again, companies which hire based on anything but productive performance will be out competed in a free market system. Take two firms, if one of them promotes based on "caste" and the other based on skills, who would you rather bet on? Such bets occur in the equity markets, and companies who make poor decisions will find their share price falling, impoverishing the shareholders until they correct their course. To the extent that I am wrong, the company will fall apart and fail... and so who cares? The only reason to care in today's society is because the government prevents this failure through subsidy, bailouts, and monetary manipulation... it perpetuates incompetence and inefficiency. |
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If you wish to reduce income disparity, you will necessarily have to reduce production disparity - for the former is generally the consequence of the latter in a market economy. Competition for productive resources will drive the price paid for those resources ever higher (encouraging production and ensuring that such production falls upon the most efficient utilizer of such production).
Interesting point. The problem is that even leveraging automation, it is impossible for the blue-collar worker to out-produce the CEO because the CEO is deemed to be responsible for all of the production of the workers under him or her. Sometimes CEO bonuses don't even seem to rely or performance measurements. You say the CEO is "deemed" to be in charge as if it's an arbitrary, random assignment? In general, he or she is deemed so because of their proven track record as the best producers. If CEO pay doesn't correspond to performance, then don't invest in that company - for clearly it manages its own funds poorly. In a capitalist marketplace, those companies which pay excessive amounts for sub-par performance will be out-competed long-term. So it's a self-correcting problem. Of course, when the government bails out the failures, all bets are off, and the foolishness of unproductive CEO's becomes the unfortunate expense of society. |
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I'm sure the Libertarians will come to the conclusion that all of the problems listed (if they actually agree income disparity is a problem) are the result of government intervention.
It does not make sense to discuss income disparity without discussing production disparity. Consider the production disparity between Steve Jobs and the average blue-collar worker. Consider the vast difference in contribution to society and markets made by the two of them. If you wish to reduce income disparity, you will necessarily have to reduce production disparity - for the former is generally the consequence of the latter in a market economy. Competition for productive resources will drive the price paid for those resources ever higher (encouraging production and ensuring that such production falls upon the most efficient utilizer of such production). So, unless you can get the productiveness of the blue collar workers raised to the level of Steve Jobs, you will instead have to reduce the productiveness of Steve Jobs down toward the blue collar worker. Income disparity will diminish to the extent society moves toward universal impoverishment. |
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Found this video today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enywqVkM_gIThis site has massive potential. Gives a gazillion Korean kids the ability to play SCII for real money, and can bridge international markets into a giant tournament system. Beautiful globalization made possible by Bitcoin - A German, an American, a Korean, and a South African can all wager on a game together, in one currency. Any of you who play Starcraft 2, go sign up with their public beta and give feedback! Is the owner of that site on these forums?? |
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Awesome!!
LewRockwell.com is a very popular site... though ugly as sin. It's arguably the most widely-read libertarian website in the world.
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One idea that has been mentioned is a coffee stand... edd, do you think that can be set up?
You mean physically handing out cups of coffee? I'm sure someone could do it but I'm afraid I'm not planning a trip to Wall Street at the moment. In NYC you'd get arrested doing that without a vendors liscense First they'd have to prove you were selling it. Might be worth getting arrested, if it forces them to legally recognize Bitcoin transactions as legitimate commerce.  Good idea, but you'd probably be arrested there merely for handing out the coffee for free. A) public safety hazard, B) no coffee license and C) undercutting the union coffee baristas. And man... if someone spilled the hot coffee on themselves, $1million lawsuit. America is the land of the free. |
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