The bitcoin is worth it for sure for me because it has such a good future a head and its also that the halving is coming this year so that makes it even more worth it in my opinion.
I think its just a matter of time before the bitcoin is gonna hit a nice amount this year and we can all make profit at the end of this year most likely.
The bitcoin has a lot of people that are investing now and I think that is also a sign its worth it.
You don't think the halvening is already expected and baked into the current price? |
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With alot of BTC trapped in the LISK ICO until after april, i'm not sure we'll see that volume. I think alot of people were going to dump some of their LISK on the 11th to invest in the waves ICO.
But LISK is delayed, it won't be released on 11th April.. for those who wanted to sell a portion of their LISK to join the WAVES ICO, they still can, but without the bonus, unless WAVES ICO is delayed too or make another good bonus on May. Many of lisk ICO participants already fed up with the delay mentioned but who knows we might have new members who not participate in lisk ico Why so hung-up on the Lisk ICO? That was like what $6 million? It's peanuts for the whales in the cryptocurrency/ICO space  . Also, Ethereum's rise has given a lot more interest in these crowdsales, especially because people made a lot of money there, so they're liquid enough to invest in other projects. What do you think is this project going to raise? I guess it will be something about $2 Million. But i am very curious and would be nice to it exploding. Raise vs. explode are usually negatively correlated. If the project raises too much, you won't get the full benefits when it is launched (simplified example: say after launch, it is worth $20 million. If the project raises $2 million, you'll get around 10x return but if it raises $10 million, you'll only get around 2x return). $2 million sounds reasonable, but a lot also depends on the recent altcoin activity in the space. If the market is usually bearish, it will probably raise less. Lisk raised a lot of money during the boom time when every coin was 'getting on Azure' and seeing a 2x price increase overnight. That was when most of the Lisk raise came in, not during the bonus rounds that preceded this. the game theory says to invest, when all facts are on the table. when the most investors invested, therefor it raised in the last days the most. the same was with Ethereum. Look into the Ethereum blog. Vitalik is explaining their ICO numbers there in August 2014. Of course, i agree there was a hype around azure listing, which gave the project kind of quality measurement and it was a reason to invest. I will see how much waves are going to raise and invest in the last days or not. Im not going for 20% if i can lose +50% How will you judge the success though? For instance, let's say you're ballpark number is $2 million raise. If they are at $7 million towards the last day, would you then invest more, compared to say if they were at $700,000? How will you determine the 'fair value' of the investment? That's the hard part with crypto in general compared to regular investments like stocks. |
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Is this better than LISK? I bought into the LISK ico but im regretting alot. Should i try this one?
Depends. whey did you buy Lisk? What changed? Why do you regret it a lot now? Why do you want to buy Waves? What scenarios are you looking at to determine if it will be a good vs. bad investment? How much, as a % of your wealth are you trying to put in Waves? Do you feel safe taking on the risk that this will yield nothing at all? |
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With alot of BTC trapped in the LISK ICO until after april, i'm not sure we'll see that volume. I think alot of people were going to dump some of their LISK on the 11th to invest in the waves ICO.
But LISK is delayed, it won't be released on 11th April.. for those who wanted to sell a portion of their LISK to join the WAVES ICO, they still can, but without the bonus, unless WAVES ICO is delayed too or make another good bonus on May. Many of lisk ICO participants already fed up with the delay mentioned but who knows we might have new members who not participate in lisk ico Why so hung-up on the Lisk ICO? That was like what $6 million? It's peanuts for the whales in the cryptocurrency/ICO space . Also, Ethereum's rise has given a lot more interest in these crowdsales, especially because people made a lot of money there, so they're liquid enough to invest in other projects. What do you think is this project going to raise? I guess it will be something about $2 Million. But i am very curious and would be nice to it exploding. Raise vs. explode are usually negatively correlated. If the project raises too much, you won't get the full benefits when it is launched (simplified example: say after launch, it is worth $20 million. If the project raises $2 million, you'll get around 10x return but if it raises $10 million, you'll only get around 2x return). $2 million sounds reasonable, but a lot also depends on the recent altcoin activity in the space. If the market is usually bearish, it will probably raise less. Lisk raised a lot of money during the boom time when every coin was 'getting on Azure' and seeing a 2x price increase overnight. That was when most of the Lisk raise came in, not during the bonus rounds that preceded this. |
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With alot of BTC trapped in the LISK ICO until after april, i'm not sure we'll see that volume. I think alot of people were going to dump some of their LISK on the 11th to invest in the waves ICO.
But LISK is delayed, it won't be released on 11th April.. for those who wanted to sell a portion of their LISK to join the WAVES ICO, they still can, but without the bonus, unless WAVES ICO is delayed too or make another good bonus on May. Many of lisk ICO participants already fed up with the delay mentioned but who knows we might have new members who not participate in lisk ico Why so hung-up on the Lisk ICO? That was like what $6 million? It's peanuts for the whales in the cryptocurrency/ICO space . Also, Ethereum's rise has given a lot more interest in these crowdsales, especially because people made a lot of money there, so they're liquid enough to invest in other projects. |
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I dont think so.
Eth has worse problems on scalability than BTC.
How so? If it moves to a stable proof of stake and survives fine, then scalability should be significantly better than Bitcoin. |
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So, i wanted to write this topic because the most noobs very first questions are "how can i earn bitcoins", and 99% of them ends up to the "investor-based games" section (aka scams). Please if you are an experienced member of this forum, help me to complete this topic. Pre-requisites: - No, you will not become rich with faucets. You can play with faucets to start and study your bitcoin wallet and see how it works but, you wont earn more than some cents and propably your fingers will get tired before of that. Faucets sites are used mainly for advertising purposes.
- No, none of those sites in the investor-based games" are legit, you been warned! A lot of experienced members will warn you to not use those websites as they are scam. Please listen those suggestions and no: hashocean is not legit, doubleyourbtcinhours is not legit, ponzis are not legit: they are scam and they will eat your money and if you will continue to support/participate in those frauds, you will loose all your money or if you ROI, you would only have stolen other users money and be tagged with negative red trust on this forum. I been asked:"if they are scam, why moderators dont delete/ban them". Because moderation policy of this forum is not to delete those scammers but to let you use your brain and train you to stay away from those "too-good-to-be-true" stuff. Again: before to invest your money in anything BTC related, search for posts on this forum and listen at experienced and trusted members suggestions.
- No, scamming people here or elsewhere will not make you rich and/or you will propably end in jail. Self-explained: if you are here to scam, you are not a pro. You are a miserable unskilled guy, so unskilled that soon or later you will get caught. Despite the international use of Bitcoin, this community is close enough to find out scammers and tag them...trust me: go back home, dont even try here.
Ways to seriously earn bitcoins: - Sell goods for bitcoins
- Signature campaigns
- Mining
- Trading
How to: - Earn bitcoins selling goods - look around your garage, house, grandma wharehouse and see if there are goods you can sell. You might be a programmer even so you could eventually sell your own applications or services. Or maybe you have some old mining hardware or collectibles. There is a marketplace on this forum and personally i check it at least once a day. You will be surprised at how fast you can find interested people to your goods. If you have some money to invest, buy a domain and an hosting, advertise it with a signature campaign in this forum or with google adsense, and accept bitcoin only payments: if you work seriously on it, you would be propably the first case of success here...so you got a lot of room with almost no competitors.
- Signature campaigns - Signature campaigns are a unique feature of this forum. You will not find another forum with active and paying signature campaigns: signatures are those spaces you can see at the end of everyone posts and if you accept to display ads in your signature, you will get paid for each post. Some of them accept newbies but the more you grow your forum rank, the more you get paid. Please dont spam just to get paid: campaign managers will find it out and ban you from their campaign. Write constructive posts, no need to write essays, just dont spam. You have the chance to actively contribute to this community growth and get paid for it: isnt it great? How much can you earn tho from Signature Campaigns? There is a thread on this forum that is continuosly updated with active campaigns, their status and their payouts. Just search for Signature Campaigns and you will see that sticked article. Personally i'm earning 0.008 per post with Bit-X but it is not open to new members for now.
- Mining - yes mining is still profitable and the way bitcoin is designed, mining will be profitable for a lot of years, until the max number of bitcoins have been generated (IIRC about 21 millions of coins). Dont mind halving, the price will adjust itself because the universal demand/supply economic law so, the less bitcoins are generated, the more its price will go up (with up and down adjustments tho). All you have to follow is the hardware and the electricity cost: hardware builders like bitmain, bitfury and their competitors, will continue to build new hardware using new technology, so to keep mining always profitable. If they stop is ok, difficulty will decrease making old hardware still good for mining operations, so that's not an issue. Right now antminer S7, avalon and some spondoolies based 28nm chips can give you 10% of montly ROI. Anything lower than that, is a waste of money and electricity, so dont even try. No you cant profit with antminer S5 and lower right now, so dont whine, stop to say mining is not profitable and buy a new hardware
 . Actually we consider electricity cost lower than 10 cents per Kw, good to mine. So anything around there or lower, will give you good chance to profit with mining operations. If you dont have that cheap electricity cost, you should cloud mine. Cloud mining is still profitable yes, but only with a few companies and hardware: actually bitmain S7 market and BW.com are the only companies that are both legit and provide an exit strategy. Both are behind the best pools and both allow you to sell your hash at user marketplace: so if you need your money, you can get it back whenever you want. I'm sorry for genesis mining and hashflare or other legit companies but, unless they provide an exit strategy, i woudnt invest one cent of mines there. - Trading - Trading on exchanges like bitstamp, BTC-e and others is good but, please, dont use them like gambling sites: use a strategy. There is a section in this forum with very experienced members that can show you good strategies. Keep calm and pick one, you will earn some good Bitcoins. Personally i like Sampey's CAT automated trading script, if i had enough time i would get some referrals from his bot, he is even a good guy and a trusted member. To show you how profitable would be a trading strategy, i am going to show you what i call emergency trading, that strategy i use when there are those huge red or green candle sticks that cause a lot of panic
The strategy is to transfer your principal from fiat to BTC everytime the candle stick goes green, and viceversa: transfer back your principal from BTC to fiat everytime the candle stick goes red. So here is a simplified schema:
BTC USD BTC/USD Price Action USD VALUE
1,000000 0,00 400,00 -10% Sell 5% 400,00
0,900000 36,00 360,00 -10% Sell 5% 360,00
0,810000 65,16 324,00 -10% Sell 5% 327,60
0,729000 88,78 291,60 -10% Sell 5% 301,36
0,656100 107,91 262,44 -10% Sell 5% 280,10
0,721710 88,97 288,68 +10% Buy 10% 297,32
0,793881 66,05 317,55 +10% Buy 10% 318,15
0,873269 38,32 349,31 +10% Buy 10% 343,36
0,960596 4,77 384,24 +10% Buy 10% 373,87
0,971876 0,00 422,66 +10% Buy 10% 410,78
Look at USD VALUE column: we faced up a huge red candlestick and then a huge green, by selling 10% of BTC everytime the price ticks -10% and bought 10% everytime the price ticks +10%. At the end of the swing we got a total of 410,78 dollars worth of our assets value vs initial 400 USD.
This is a strategy i use when i panic and i used it just to show you how you could use a strategy to not "gamble" with your money, so it is not meant for daily trading strategies. In the trading discussions sub you can learn more complex and more profitable strategies.
This is it, actually these are the only legit ways to seriously earn bitcoins and that i personally tried with success. I hope other members will add their experiences helping everyone to make Bitcoin community better and avoid days of wasted time (and money) to newbies (and over  , me included) Hamu Seriously? Mining and Trading are your ideas for earning Bitcoin for dummies? |
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Thanks mate, applied, and hope to be accepted soon. Good luck with the project! |
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Interesting project. There will be competition, but I think it's a worthy space to fight for.
Can you please add me to your signature campaign as well? Couldn't find a place to apply for the same.
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PTS Deflationary effect. There is a chart showing the reduction of supply - http://pts.bitsharesblocks.com/supplyWhile bitcoin (approx 10% inflation) and most altcoins go inflationary, PTS is going the opposite direction. A deflationary PTS helps to preserves your PTS investment for the long term and keep the price stable.  This doesn't seem to be reflected in Coinmarketcap supply, which shows 999,999,386 PTS currently. |
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Great collection. Would definitely be interested if you decide to break up the lots, even though I understand it makes sense for buyers to get the whole collection.
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Bitshares is nothing different then Ripple and if you knew Protoshares you would already see that same stuff from their CEO's and devs.
Actually, I don't see many similarities between Ripple and Bitshares. Care to explain in what way you think they are the same stuff? To the others, it is true that Bitshares hasn't done everything perfect since launch. There are also lots of legitimate complaints (even from me) about the way things are/were handled. However, it's one of the few cryptos with active development, a dedicated AND intelligent team which isn't afraid of thinking big. Also, if you believe in the technology but don't like other short-term aspects, then just convert your BTS to BitBTC/BitUSD, so you go short BTS and get some yield. If you think the project is going to dogs, just sell your BTS. |
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How much are you paying your writers?
We are currently not generating any money but soon, with your help and some ads we will be. So what's your value proposition, I am a bit confused. Just a by-line? Well, you'd basically be working for free until we begin generating revenue... then we'd negotiate. Wow, so you want people to work for you for free for an indefinite period of time so they may or may not get paid at a future date according to something that they have no control over? As someone already mentioned, if you need good writers to make your site even remotely successful, you'll need a lot of investment. If you want to bootstrap it yourself, you should be writing for it yourself, not looking for free global labor. Do you really think any half-competent writer would agree to this? |
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How much are you paying your writers?
We are currently not generating any money but soon, with your help and some ads we will be. So what's your value proposition, I am a bit confused. Just a by-line? |
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How much are you paying your writers?
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I'll go ahead and predict that within a few months some "phantom" delegates will get voted in at 100% pay. Either controlled by the devs or by someone attempting to tax the blockchain without actually working for it.
I don't have a lot of money, and I'm normally not a betting man. But man. I want to take this wager. how about 30 bitUSD? If you guys are serious, I'd be happy to arrange an escrow for this bet with more specific details on what constitutes 'few months' and what constitutes 'phantom delegate' |
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If I am not mistaken, the OP is complaining about greed, not scam.
True, the two are some of the commonly used bombs tossed about indiscriminately in the hands of people seeking to harm the efforts of a competing community. In this case, the entire OP is criticizing a project leader's attempt to discuss a potential way to ensure his developers get a token salary of a little over $2K a month. Awful greedy. Well, this isn't going to be implemented (as said by Bytemaster) so there's that. Hopefully the devs can be voted in without making it a default. |
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I think the best antidote for people spreading false information is to post a little useful information and at least give fair minded newcomers a fighting chance at hearing the truth. I recommend Max Wright's deeply educational video interviews with Bytemaster for this purpose: you get to look into Dan's eyes and see the integrity and passion there. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjgfpSQFJTLqbgHm8mkgPdD-ma7t0bRhK... or, if you like stimulating your thinking, visit Bytemaster's blog at bytemaster.bitshares.org. Scammers seldom take the time (or have the ability) to publish that much thoughtful content. Then decide who you think is more credible - the OP or Bytemaster himself? If I am not mistaken, the OP is complaining about greed, not scam. I too would recommend Bytemaster's blog for anyone interested in the idea of Bitshares. It has some very good posts (it's a good read even if you don't agree with the more 'philosophical' posts). Link: http://bytemaster.bitshares.org/ |
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Hi All lovin this new coin (ok not so new,) so started mining, that's goin ok, went to bter & traded for btc for pts, to load onto the wallet, opps slight problem, can't send to wallet without having the key registered, ok, must register key, opps, slight problem, how to register the key? can't send to the wallet address / key, without registering the key, can't load the wallet coz the key is not registered. ummm.... any help please? ie: send ne a small handfull of pts & i'll send a few back as well by way of thanks. thanks in advance....  Can you explain how you started mining this coin? Edit: Post your address so someone can donate you enough PTS for registration. |
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