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13261  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: It is now next to impossible to spend bitcoins legally if your american on: March 26, 2014, 10:01:29 PM
if a person has to choose between using fiat and bitcoin when buying something he will choose the easiest option.

This was already true in some cases, not in others. This changes things a little, but any use case that was compelling before (hint: that did not include coffee), is likely still compelling.

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most people won't bother using something that requires the hassle of reporting capital gains no matter how easy it is.

Most people already don't use bitcoin. A lot will have to change before they do. As in years away. It is pointless to make grand predictions based on one little tax ruling in 2014.





13262  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: It is now next to impossible to spend bitcoins legally if your american on: March 26, 2014, 09:52:50 PM
there is no software today

Apparently false.

https://bitcointaxes.info/

I'm sure that doesn't do every single thing that needs to be done, but not bad for day IRS+1.

You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Stop.

13263  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: It is now next to impossible to spend bitcoins legally if your american on: March 26, 2014, 09:39:57 PM
a cup of coffee is just a metaphor.
as of now you can't buy anything with bitcoin legally without first checking your capital gains status.
sure you may get away with it if the amounts spent are small, but as far as the law is concerned you are a criminal.

That was always the case unless you thought you could buy for $100, sell it for $1000 and pay no taxes on the difference. Were you actually stupid enough to believe that?

This thread is still pointless, and the headline is absurd. Using a computer to track capital gains when that computer necessarily already has all of your bitcoin transactions recorded since you can't possibly engage in a bitcoin transaction without a computer is not even close to "next to impossible."

13264  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) on: March 26, 2014, 09:29:25 PM
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1N7wXVJTtPBuW2HRTxrQpBbdXCZ3wmS17c

Why does the balance graph show 0.04 and the Unpaid Balance shows 0.035?

Bump. Graph shows unpaid of >0.04 now (looks like some shelved shares were paid), but unpaid balance has not budged.

I'm not quite sure what is the problem.

"unpaid balance" is not your shelved shares, but how much the pool has not payed you yet. (as in, has not sent you "real" bitcoins to your address.)

The violet line should show the same amount, but I cannot tell because the graph rounds to two digits whereas "unpaid balance" is to 8 digits. But round to 0.04, so it seems ok to me?

The violet line is clearly above 0.04. The number is below 0.04. That's clearly inconsistent. Maybe the graph is being drawn wrong.

The graph rounds to two digit.

Your number is 0.03540942, which rounds (to 0.04). 0.035 would be the smallest number that rounds to 0.04. Your number is barely over that.

When I look to the graph, I can see that the line is barely over the first line shown as 0.04, which would correspond to a number of 0.035. So it seems consistent to me!

(but I do agree that the graph should be more precise)

I don't know what you are even looking at. The graph shows the line above the 0.04 legend quite clearly.

https://i.imgur.com/yWxue05.png

Furthermore, as I explained, the line on the graph has continued to move higher over the past several days, yet the reported number has not changed. Both can not be correct.



13265  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Broadcasting the Blockchain on: March 26, 2014, 09:04:51 PM
You don't always need a missed block, but if you do, there are alternative paths to aquire missed data.

So, how do you know that you missed a needed block?

Double/tripple/etc broadcasting does not solve the problem. When is the block repeated? 8 hours later? What if you are off the grid for 24 hours, or just happen to be off when the rebroadcast occurs. The issue is not "unlikely" the issue is: the system is not 100% guaranteed.

You can retransmit blocks with decreasing frequency as they get older. If you miss recent blocks, wait a little while and you get another copy. If you missed old blocks, you may have to wait a long time to get them, but you will eventually get them.

With the 'naked block' protocol being considered, you don't even need this much.  Currently, all full clients require all the data in order to completely check every block for validity, but a "light client" doesn't require this kind of certainty.  Since it's unlikely that clients receiving updates via this method would be mining, complete blocks are not necessary.  What is necessary is a complete block header chain, which only weighs in at 4 mb per year; and the merkle tree for any blocks that contain transactions that concern the client itself.  While it would be ideal to broadcast those merkle trees with the block header (i.e. the naked block, all except the actual transactions) it would be profoundly silly to broadcast every single transaction complete.

How do you know who is using the service, if it is broadcast?  Sure you could require that clients register with the head end, but given the original claim (which I have not verified) that broadcasting the entire block chain can be done at 2400 baud, the broadcast service could be used by anyone and everyone passively without registering if it includes the entire block chain (or perhaps some pruned version of it). It is likely difficult to envision in advance all of the potential uses for such a service. Smart property comes to mind, for one thing.



13266  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: It is now next to impossible to spend bitcoins legally if your american on: March 26, 2014, 08:53:32 PM

there is no way the IRS will allow people to avoid paying taxes using this trick.

It's not a trick and it doesn't "avoid" taxes as the post explains. You will still pay the same taxes, just not in the form of every $1 transaction being a taxable event.

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if this really catches up i am sure they will clarify that the determining exchange rate for tax purposes is the median of all inputs or something of that sort.

So now you are arguing on the basis of what you think the IRS will do in the future, and you expect anyone to pay the slightest attention to your baseless speculation? Good luck with that.

Identifying lots on capital gains transactions has been done for decades in amounts totaling billions or more likely trillions of dollars (by institutional investors). Closing this non-loophope doesn't appear to be a high priority for the IRS.

Moreover, even if buying a cup of coffee became a taxable event, who cares? This is not 1970. We have this these things called computers, smartphones, etc. They are good at bookkeeping.

This thread is pointless.




13267  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: It is now next to impossible to spend bitcoins legally if your american on: March 26, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=531135
13268  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) on: March 26, 2014, 08:25:17 PM
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1N7wXVJTtPBuW2HRTxrQpBbdXCZ3wmS17c

Why does the balance graph show 0.04 and the Unpaid Balance shows 0.035?

Bump. Graph shows unpaid of >0.04 now (looks like some shelved shares were paid), but unpaid balance has not budged.

I'm not quite sure what is the problem.

"unpaid balance" is not your shelved shares, but how much the pool has not payed you yet. (as in, has not sent you "real" bitcoins to your address.)

The violet line should show the same amount, but I cannot tell because the graph rounds to two digits whereas "unpaid balance" is to 8 digits. But round to 0.04, so it seems ok to me?

The violet line is clearly above 0.04. The number is below 0.04. That's clearly inconsistent. Maybe the graph is being drawn wrong.

Also, the violet line has gone up as shelved shares were paid (consistent with there being a long strong of mostly >100% luck blocks recently), but the number has not changed. Based on this I suspect the number is wrong and the graph is right.

Something is broken.

13269  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Advice building Antminer S1 Farm on: March 26, 2014, 08:19:55 PM
2x200amp for a home?

Wow.... must be a big ass home. You're rich already OP, just buy BTC instead of mining gear be the end of 2014, you will be even richer,

Trust me,... mining farm now is a terrible investment. Do calculation and you will see , you will be lucky to break even on S1. (get back BTC that you spent to buy miners)

And if you only have fiat money, then : if you buy btc now and the btc price rise 10-20%, you will be already ahead of ANY mining.



Holy snap. 400 Amps? I've got 150 amp service for 3200 sq ft home. You must be living in a 10,000 sqft palace.

My house was built in 2001 with a 200A service for 3800 sqft.  I think all the homes in my area have the same service.  I'm not sure if this was a requirement by the local government, power provider, or just a builder thing.  Being in Texas may also drive the service size since I have dual zone AC that needs to cool the house in 100+ degree weather.

Anyway, I've always wondered, that 200A coming in is 240v right?  It looks like I have 2 hots and a neutral along with ground.  I've got 240v runs setup in my house and I'm guessing you can't have 240v circuits without 240v being supplied by the service.

Yes the two hots coming in are 240 V apart. The regular 120 V circuits use one hot and the neutral. 240 V circuits (large appliances, etc.) use both hots.

13270  Economy / Lending / Re: Loans offered on: March 26, 2014, 07:24:50 PM
New loan to Raskolnikon. Post #2 updated.
13271  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread) on: March 26, 2014, 07:09:55 PM
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1N7wXVJTtPBuW2HRTxrQpBbdXCZ3wmS17c

Why does the balance graph show 0.04 and the Unpaid Balance shows 0.035?

Bump. Graph shows unpaid of >0.04 now (looks like some shelved shares were paid), but unpaid balance has not budged.

13272  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Idea: the zero-gain/loss-for-tax-purposes wallet on: March 26, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
The idea is that if you have some coins purchased below the current price and some coins purchased above the current price, then it is always possible to create a new coin that is a linear combination of your existing coins that has a gain/loss for tax purposes of identically zero.

Good idea.

Small correction to how you stated it though. You have to have not just "some" coins purchased below and above, but a sufficient number. which depends on the relationship between the current price and the prices at which they were purchased. Which is to say your little solver needs constraints on a and b.

A simple example would be if you have coins at purchased at 1 and coins purchased at 100 when the current price is 2. You need a lot more of the 1 coins to make this work. I don't think you can realize losses by just doing a quick round-trip trade either, due to the wash sale rules, though I think you can realize gains that way.

But in many (less contrived) instances this should work and should greatly reduce the number taxable events, especially on small transactions like buying a cup of coffee.
13273  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech launches a new line of ASIC miners - Best W/GH/s ratio on: March 26, 2014, 08:17:35 AM
YEah, per-orders is dead.  I think the community is tired of funding R&D with historically high risk of failure to deliver as promised.  Not that spoondoolies wouldn't, they seem to be legit so far, but it's just not a good marketing strategy anymore.

We wish. In reality they sold out their April batch and their Aprll + July and March + July bundles. Preorders are slowly dying, but unfortunately not dead yet.

13274  Economy / Lending / Re: Loans offered on: March 26, 2014, 08:14:06 AM
CIMF loan repaid 3 days early. Collateral in the process of being returned.
13275  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Is Property Not Currency on: March 26, 2014, 07:15:32 AM
With BTC there isn't a broker so I assume you simply need to document your decision but I'm not a tax lawyer so I'm not really sure.

The blockchain is the most perfect broker record you could hope for.

With coin control you could sell exactly the coins you wanted to at exact the basis you wanted to at any time. 

How? as far as i know you can choose wallet to spend but btc are stored in transactions.

I can have bunch of tx in that wallet, but i cant pick the a specific one, correct?

You can if your wallet software supports coin control.

Is it the same coin control from Armory? Because it only let me choose which address to spend from. Not tx....

Please share if i miss something


Sounds perfect as long as you don't reuse addresses.
13276  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Is Property Not Currency on: March 26, 2014, 06:51:12 AM
With BTC there isn't a broker so I assume you simply need to document your decision but I'm not a tax lawyer so I'm not really sure.

The blockchain is the most perfect broker record you could hope for.

With coin control you could sell exactly the coins you wanted to at exact the basis you wanted to at any time.  

D&T: what do you think about the legal implications of my zero-gain/loss-for-tax-purposes wallet idea.  It uses coin control to select a suitable linear combination of coins such that each and every day-to-day purchase you make has a gain/loss for tax purposes of identically zero.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=531135.0

Mutual funds do this sort of thing already. Should be fine, assuming the IRS continues to use the same gain and loss rules as securities trading.

13277  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS Releases Tax Rules on BTC on: March 26, 2014, 05:57:45 AM
I get the feeling that PoS coins will become more popular after this ruling.

Because... that changes what exactly?

You can avoid staking your coins for a while and accumulate coin days, for which you then get credit when you do stake. That is my understanding, which is granted a bit fuzzy on PoS coins (pun intended?).

Wouldn't that credit be seen as the same basic thing as mining payments or rewards in the eyes of the IRS?

Yes but you can wait as long as you want before you start "mining" (i.e. deferring the income).



13278  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS Releases Tax Rules on BTC on: March 26, 2014, 05:50:08 AM
I get the feeling that PoS coins will become more popular after this ruling.

Because... that changes what exactly?

You can avoid staking your coins for a while and accumulate coin days, for which you then get credit when you do stake. That is my understanding, which is granted a bit fuzzy on PoS coins (pun intended?).


13279  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Did the IRS make a big Loophole mistake? WHOOPS!!!! on: March 26, 2014, 05:11:09 AM
Their position, essentially, is that even as a solo miner you are providing a service to the network and being paid in kind. As with any other payment in kind (unless some exception applies), that is revenue at fair market value.

This is essentially correct in reality, though I'm not ready to credit the IRS with fully understanding bitcoin. The only reason you are allowed to stick that coinbase transaction in there giving yourself 25 coins out of thin air, is that the rest of the network has agreed your services in securing the blockchain are worth that much.

13280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Broadcasting the Blockchain on: March 26, 2014, 05:05:38 AM
You don't always need a missed block, but if you do, there are alternative paths to aquire missed data.

So, how do you know that you missed a needed block?

Double/tripple/etc broadcasting does not solve the problem. When is the block repeated? 8 hours later? What if you are off the grid for 24 hours, or just happen to be off when the rebroadcast occurs. The issue is not "unlikely" the issue is: the system is not 100% guaranteed.

You can retransmit blocks with decreasing frequency as they get older. If you miss recent blocks, wait a little while and you get another copy. If you missed old blocks, you may have to wait a long time to get them, but you will eventually get them.
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