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14161  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Seems like we need a good way to pay for things in real stores on: May 25, 2011, 09:42:06 PM
The problem with this is that a fingerprint is not a private key, so this approach requires the private key be stored on some server somewhere.

A better approach is to store your private key on a smartphone.  Put a QR code sticker on customer side of the cash register (with the cash register's Bitcoin address) and scan it with your smartphone, enter the amount, and the phone sends the payment to the cash register.  Alternately you can have display on your side of the register showing a QR code with the address and amount, so you don't have to enter it.

For protection against loss or theft of the phone, you can have another copy of the private key somewhere.  If necessary, you use that other copy to transfer your BTC a new key, hopefully before someone finds and cracks your phone

Unfortunately Bitcoin doesn't really do "instant" payments, so there are some issues with this.  Search on the forum for "vending machine problem."

14162  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Using BTC on Amazon.com, Is this new? on: May 25, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
He's been on the Selling board for a while.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=8864.0

People seem happy with it, but I have no personal experience.

(No, you can't use Prime because he ships it from his own account and Prime doesn't allow reselling.)

14163  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: selling namecoin on: May 25, 2011, 08:53:26 PM
bump for lowered price (does anyone actually buy these?)

14164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The hashrate has left the screen on: May 25, 2011, 10:36:38 AM
A graph I'd like to see on there is the transaction rate over time.
14165  Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work on: May 25, 2011, 10:24:21 AM
Hmmm is having merchants directly accept bitcoins for goods really as important as seems hitherto to have been thought?
Yes. Bitcoins will have no value of nobody accepts them as payment.

Hmm. How do we know that?  Perhaps they would have pure "collectable" value as the first block chain currency.
I guess they will. But it will be negligible compared to the value they can have as the de-facto global currency.

Again, I'm not sure how we know that.  Let's say there is a BTCv2 that succeeds as a de-facto (or even potentially official) global currency.  BTC (v1) might still be worth more to collectors even if it doesn't circulate in commerce.  In fact, it could be BTCv17 that succeeds globally, and I would guess that BTCv1 would be worth more than BTCv2-BTCv16.  There is rare currency of various types that isn't legal tender any more and wouldn't be accepted in commerce by anyone, but still has significant collector value.  But none of those are "The First Currency" of their type.  That could be huge.

 

14166  Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work on: May 25, 2011, 10:15:05 AM
Hmmm is having merchants directly accept bitcoins for goods really as important as seems hitherto to have been thought?
Yes. Bitcoins will have no value of nobody accepts them as payment.

Hmm. How do we know that?  Perhaps they would have pure "collectable" value as the first block chain currency.

14167  Economy / Economics / Re: BTC value/electricity correlation on: May 25, 2011, 10:06:55 AM
I don't know why he discounts the cost of hardware, that seems at least as important. Maybe he was imagining only CPU mining and considered them "free" since we all have them anyway.

We may get to that.  Mining has been exceptionally profitable recently because the sudden burst of attention rapidly drove up the price of BTC to the point where people started building these dedicated mining operations large and small.  Difficulty has yet to catch up (though it's trying hard), but when it does and mining becomes a lot less profitable again, those operations are going to suffer from their diseconomies of scale relative to people who have free electricity and/or free computers.

There are some other issues that might reintroduce economies of scale though, so it's hard to say how things really turn out.
14168  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: POLL: Are you still buying mining equipment? on: May 25, 2011, 08:39:58 AM
Higher difficulty =/> higher price   (=/>  is "does not imply")
Higher price => higher difficulty   (=>  is "implies")

I mostly agree but there is some linkage in the other direction.  Let's say someone wants to acquire 1 bitcoin for some reason.  If he can mine it for $5, he's less likely to want to buy it for say $7.  If it costs $10 to mine, he's going to be willing to pay $7 or even more.  

14169  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi's spare change? on: May 25, 2011, 07:52:05 AM
Besides, I doubt his identity is that bulletproof. In the early days Bitcoin didn't work over Tor at all. By the definition of a P2P network the first node has to be able to receive connections. So whilst he always sent email over Tor I guess at some point he must have been exposing at least one IP address linkable to him.

If he wanted to be careful he could have used a public WiFi or some such.
14170  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: Trading Namecoins for Bitcoins on: May 25, 2011, 07:28:54 AM

I am hoping that somebody will take the obvious step, and create a namecoin/bitcoin exchange.

There are at least two open source exchanges that support bitcoin and trading multiple currencies:

     https://github.com/davout/bitcoin-central
          and
     http://gitorious.org/intersango/

And if you support bitcoin and multiple currencies, then it should be trivial to support namecoin deposits, namecoin withdrawals, and BTC/NC trading.

Anyone wanna volunteer to run BlockChainExchange.com ?  We already have three block chain currencies out there, and more are sure to appear: bitcoin, testcoin and namecoin.

In progress.  PM for more info or if you want to work on it.



14171  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Please test: New Experimental Pool "Eligius" on: May 25, 2011, 05:50:24 AM
Looks like luck evened out a bit for the US pool at least.  Wow!

0000000000003bac4a297bed795309ac5cbf091a858ddb31e44df0b444a9a873, yesterday at 23:43
0000000000000906ec31ba2f5bf87895383cac3c15b9e8cff3db08accd298388, yesterday at 23:30
14172  Economy / Economics / Re: Read this before having an opinion on economics on: May 25, 2011, 05:37:22 AM
Why should I invest in Intellectual property when I can't protect my investment. If I invest in my house I am allowed to protect it.

If you're actually willing to read this (it's pretty long) you can learn something.

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=3401

Short summary:

a) Much of the "investment" you describe is useless anyway.  They are copycat products that don't do anything other than allow the copycat to reinvent something that already exists in a non-infringing form.  This is useless (wasteful) investment. 

b) In a realistic model you will be able to profit from your investment even without "protecting" it.
14173  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PLEASE READ, RELIEF FUND FOR JOPLIN, MO TORNADO VICTIMS on: May 25, 2011, 05:09:50 AM
Here's a suggestion for you.  Contact the EFF, and see if they will set up a Bitcoin address for Red Cross donations.  They seem to want to support the Bitcoin concept, so maybe they would do it.
14174  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PLEASE READ, RELIEF FUND FOR JOPLIN, MO TORNADO VICTIMS on: May 25, 2011, 04:24:13 AM
And we are just supposed to trust that you will donate?
14175  Other / Obsolete (buying) / Buying Namecoin for BTC on: May 25, 2011, 04:00:47 AM
I will buy 175 namecoin for 1 BTC or PM to negotiate larger/smaller orders.

EDIT: Update price
14176  Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work on: May 25, 2011, 03:49:31 AM
Right, but it still doesn't fix the gut reaction problem that even small children have. Split a candy bar with two kids 70/30, and the kid with the 30 isn't going to say, "Sweet, three tenths of a candy bar!" He's going to say, "Why did he get twice as much as me?!"

I think at a base level, we all have that concept of "fairness" in our decision making processes, and so long as that isn't rectified, I don't see BTC gaining a level of appeal necessary for its success.

It doesn't stop people from continuing to sign up for and use Facebook.  Not only is Zuckerberg getting a lot more out of the deal than any of Facebook's users, but he's also way more of an asshole than any of Bitcoin's early adopters.

Give people compelling enough value and they will overlook fairness.  When the pie (or candy bar) is really small people will bicker forever over how to divide it.
14177  Economy / Economics / Re: Difficulty skyrocketing! on: May 25, 2011, 03:39:02 AM
Mr. Smooth - if that IS your real name - I must respectfully disagree with you. When you eat a burrito, it does not mean someone else is producing a burrito.

If not, where does it come from?

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That is the fallacy for which so many people fall. Conversely, if you produce a burrito, there is typically a market price at which a buyer can be found.

This argument fails to make a distinction between production and consumption because the same argument can be used in the other direction.  If you want to consume a burrito there is typically a market price at which you can get someone to produce one.  Any argument you can make like that in favor of production being "useful" economic activity can be rearranged to apply to consumption.

The reality is that you can't separate the two in that way; you can't have sellers without buyers (nor vice versa).

I will agree with you though, that the government going and telling people to do this or do that almost never contributes to useful economic activity (and when it does it's by accident).
14178  Economy / Economics / Re: Difficulty skyrocketing! on: May 25, 2011, 03:31:57 AM
Economically speaking, eating it is indeed a drain.  Medically speaking, the drain is necessary.  Production has the potential to create wealth, but consumption always destroys it.

Now you are moving the goalposts.  You said "economic health" before, now you are saying "wealth."  Sure, eating a burrito consumes wealth, in a sense (though it depends how you value a nourished person relative to a hungry one), but that's different from "economic health."  Producing and consuming burritos are certainly useful economic activities and if they are occurring with any regularity that is a sign of a healthy economy (in fact more healthy than producing burritos when no one is consuming them), even though taken together they have no net effect on wealth as you define it.

14179  Economy / Economics / Re: Difficulty skyrocketing! on: May 25, 2011, 03:14:33 AM
While spending money may increase GDP (as GDP measures... spending), doing so for the purpose of consumption is a net drain on economic health, not a benefit. A poor person buying a burrito is not helping the economy - rather, he has consumed resources by so doing. When he is at work, producing, then he is benefiting the economy.

This is basically nonsense.  When someone buys a burrito it means someone else is producing a burrito.  It's the combination of both that is useful economic activity.  If you produce burritos and no one eats them, it doesn't contribute to the economy in a meaningful way.  If you were going to account for it at the time of production, then when it goes bad and throw it away, you would have to account for that destruction by subtracting, so you get the exact same overall result as you do when measuring at the time of purchase.

14180  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Lending & Short Selling on: May 25, 2011, 02:54:57 AM
Why would anyone lend at a negative interest rate?  It's not like there is a cost to store bitcoins.

There is always a cost.  Ensuring your software is always fresh is a cost.  Designing and implementing a reliable, redundant, encrypted wallet store is a cost.  Keeping hardware and software secure against theft is a cost.  Keeping a P2P node up and running is a cost.

Do you actually need to do those things to store BTC?  I thought you could just send to a new address and recoonect when you want the BTC back.  Sure there is some cost to doing this at the beginning and end, but no cost-for-time, and you'd incur similar beginning-and-end costs if you lent/stored with a third party.

If you also want to use the system to transact while you are storing the BTC, then you aren't really incurring those costs to store, just to use.

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