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81  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stefan Molyneux Youtube Account and 2k Reddit Subs Terminated Today.. on: July 19, 2020, 04:13:28 PM

The predictit.org infographic or that mess of a blog that you linked the graphic to?

First paragraph written by anonymous zerohedge blogger:

Quote
With the 2020 U.S. presidential election fast approaching, many people will be glued to the 24-hour news cycle to stay up to date on political developments. Yet, as Visual Capitalist's Marcus Lu details below, when searching for facts, our own cognitive biases often get in the way.

First paragraph written by someone called 'Marcus Lu':

Quote
With the 2020 U.S. presidential election fast approaching, many people will be glued to the 24-hour news cycle to stay up to date on political developments. Yet, when searching for facts, our own cognitive biases often get in the way.


Stop reading just headlines and quit giving these bottom feeders traffic.  You don't need them to stand between you and more direct sources.  

How about you learn to read first before you criticize me eh fuckstick?

"Yet, as Visual Capitalist's Marcus Lu details below,..."

That author is from Visual Capitalist, not Zero Hedge, as I have explained about a billion times they are mostly an aggregator, and Visual Capitalist is well respected. So is Zero Hedge, except to choads like you who shit their pants and cry every time some one links them and you want to distract from the contents of said link.
82  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 17, 2020, 02:23:46 AM
Yes, that is literally the existing criminal and to a lesser extent civil law on negligence.

No it's not. If someone dies due to your recklessness, it doesn't matter if they were also being reckless.  If the outcome was you dead and they survived, they'd be the one getting charged.\...

No. Determining fault in a criminal trial by definition includes the examination of what the plaintiff in the case potentially may have done to contribute to the damages. The standards for civil fault are pretty restrictive. The standards for criminal fault are very strict as far as the level of evidence needed. I have sourced these statues, and legal precedents above. You just keep denying this is the case and substantiate nothing.
83  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stefan Molyneux Youtube Account and 2k Reddit Subs Terminated Today.. on: July 16, 2020, 05:35:23 PM


Something a lot of you here could benefit from reading.
84  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Dr. Magorium's Mystery Box Emporium on: July 16, 2020, 05:15:24 PM
update
85  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: July 16, 2020, 11:24:27 AM
Keeping schools closed is much more harmful to kids than it is protecting them from the virus. Schools in Europe have reopened without flareups in schools, and many students were outright not participating in school activities when children were sent home in March. There have been studies that suggest students received "roughly 70% of learning gains in reading relative to a typical school year, and less than 50% in math" in the last school year.

It's a big country. There are places where it's safe to open schools and there are places where it isn't. The federal government threatening schools is bullshit. Our district has 3 different plans (full capacity, half capacity alternating days, online only) and I have a lot more faith that they'll pick the most suitable option than the federal nutjobs deciding what's good for all schools while trying to appease their base in an election year.

Weird, I thought when people objected to federal government overreach via the local school systems, that made them Republicans unwilling to fund education. At least I remember some one saying that... I forget who. How could you be against funding education!?
86  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stefan Molyneux Youtube Account and 2k Reddit Subs Terminated Today.. on: July 15, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
"Twitter says it censored photo of Goya products 'in error'"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/twitter-goya-foods-chief-executive

Yeah, its always "in error", just like the last 800 times thing like this happened "by mistake".
87  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stefan Molyneux Youtube Account and 2k Reddit Subs Terminated Today.. on: July 15, 2020, 01:39:50 PM
"Twitter Bans Goya Bean Memes to Hide Silent Majority's Support for Trump"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwqEzHiYSgY
88  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 13, 2020, 02:11:59 PM
I'd be okay with a court assigning 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 fault for negligence to each of the parties involved. The two that were struck and the driver.

That might be the case if there were civil action. Criminally the standards are too high and there is court precedent showing this. The DA or whoever charged him knows this, this is just to appease the frothing mobs now, and furthermore use the fact that these charges won't stick as a way to rile up these mobs again later. This poor guy is just a scapegoat.

They are using peoples lives like toys to acheive their hive mind cultural revolutionary goals. Nothing they say means anything, everything is relative, postmodern, group think and they walk around injecting themselves into everyone else's lives for no other reason than the fact that they are allowed to. This isn't about race, they don't care about race, this is about ideology. It doesn't matter what color your skin is, if you don't agree with them then you are the untouchable class. They are happy to include people of all colors, just as long as they all think exactly the same.
89  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 13, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
What you're suggesting is that we should decriminalize criminal negligence based on who the victim is or what they were doing.

Think about that for a bit.  Look up the word negligent if you need to.

Yes, that is literally the existing criminal and to a lesser extent civil law on negligence.

I am going to quote this again, maybe you will read it this time.

Vehicular homicide is a thing and that's what you can get charged with if you go the wrong way (or do something similarly reckless with your car) and kill someone. A ticket is what you get when you're pulled over before killing someone.

The problem with your logic is that fault does not rest on the driver alone. If a bicycler was on a restricted highway for example, they would share some if not all of the liability. These roadways are restricted form pedestrians for a reason. Even on non-restricted roadways, if a person crosses the street outside of a crosswalk, they are legally seen to have partial if not full liability for any injuries.

You are also glossing over the fact that the driver did not cause injury while in the act of driving negligently. You argue the road was closed, but it was not officially closed, but "attempted" to be closed as an emergency protective measure for the people violating the law by blocking it. You seem to want to hold the driver fully responsible when the "protestors" made the most significant contributions towards making themselves unsafe.

"Criminal Negligence Law and Legal DefinitionCriminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/


"Contributory Negligence

The concept of contributory negligence is used to characterize conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to one's self. The idea is that an individual has a duty to act as a reasonable person. When a person does not act this way and injury occurs, that person may be held entirely or partially responsible for the resulting injury, even though another party was involved in the accident.For example, Dave, a motorist, strikes Sally, a pedestrian who was crossing the street without carefully checking traffic or heeding the warning of the do-not-cross sign of the nearby streetlight. Who's at fault in this situation?After an injured party files a negligence claim, the defendant (the person sued) may then assert a contributory negligence claim against the plaintiff (the person bringing the lawsuit), effectively stating that the injury occurred at least partially as a result of the plaintiff's own actions. This would be a contributory negligence counterclaim, a common defense to negligence claims.If the defendant is able to prove the contributory negligence claim, the plaintiff may be totally barred from recovering damages or her damages may be reduced to reflect her role in the resulting injury. The pedestrian in the example, Sally, probably would be considered at least partially at fault (and therefore liable for contributory negligence) for carelessly crossing the street.


Comparative Negligence

Most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach to contributory negligence, wherein each party's negligence for a given injury is weighed when determining damages.Traditionally, the courts viewed contributory negligence as a total bar to the recovery of any damages. Under the traditional view, if a person had contributed to the accident in any way, the person was not entitled to compensation for his or her injuries. In an attempt to reduce the harsh, oftentimes unfair outcomes resulting from this approach, most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach."

https://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/contributory-and-comparative-negligence.html



Under civil law, if a person fails to act reasonably and acts in such a manner to endanger themselves, the defendant may be liable for less, or have no liability at all. As you can see, criminal law sets a higher bar for negligence claims than does civil law, thus it is clear that a claim of criminal negligence on the part of the plaintiff simply would not hold water. This prosecution is purely a political one designed to appease the riot mob and has no basis in law.


The police said the road was closed. There is no proof to the contrary. The accident was investigated and the driver was charged with vehicular homicide. Those are the facts that TECSHARE is trying to deny in favor of something he made up. If the driver or his lawyers can prove something else that's great but for now that's just baseless speculation.



I haven't denied any of those things. Everything I am saying is fact. I sourced the criminal statutes as well as the relevant civil law on the matter. You strawman and distract with your old faithful, "NO U!"

90  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 10:34:57 PM
TECSHARE, did you read about how the actual bombing charges were dropped by the federal prosecutors?  It's been linked a cited to you several times now from the NYTimes article.  You're citing the NYTimes, so I'm just wondering...do you not understand or are you doing the whole willful ignorance thing again.

Nobody is saying she's innocent by the way.  Do you understand the difference?\

And topic sliding...really? We're only discussing this because you brought it up - and I only mentioned Flynn because Spendulus brought him up.  Would you prefer to be ignored?  Of course not.

TwattySqueal have you seen that squirrel over there? It is right next to that shiny object. I say confessed and convicted for supplying bombs for the purposes of violent terrorism and murder. You say "bombing charges dropped", as if oh well she isn't directly responsible for terrorist activity, so its not reprehensible so HEY LOOK OVER THERE! Did I mention Michael Fynn? You are defending terrorism. I don't give a shit if you ignore me. Have fun.
91  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
There are two ways to be convicted of a crime.  Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process.  Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped.  Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them.

Michael Flynn pled guilty to the crimes he was charged with.  He also signed a document that detailed the crimes he was admitting to.

Here, I'll show you.  Take special note of what it says right before his signature:

...

Remember: "Convicted" is just word we use that means someone either pled guilty or was found guilty by trial.  

You are REALLY desperate to find any way to slide the topic now aren't you? What does it feel like finding yourself publicly defending domestic terrorist organizations?

Convicted is just a word for confessing to supplying bombs to terrorists for murdering people. Its ok though, "murder" is just a word for taking some one's life, so no need to be concerned.

(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
...
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html



Has the WSP authority to completely close any highway in Washington state anytime they want?

Yes.  The state police in every state (that I know of at least) are in charge of major highways.  I guess the governor could step in and force them to ask permission before shutting down a highway - but I doubt that was the case.



I'm sure there will be plenty of avenues for this guys defense to consider, and maybe it really was an honest mistake.  All of my recent responses have simply been in response to the 'he was just driving down the highway, he can only be guilty of a traffic violation, the protesters were wrong first so that makes him less wrong' argument coming from tecshare and spendulus.  





"RCW 47.52.120
Violations specified—Exceptions—Penalty.

"(1) After the opening of any limited access highway facility, it shall be unlawful for any person to:...(e) stop or park any vehicle or equipment within the right-of-way of such facility, including the shoulders thereof, except at points specially provided therefor, and to make only such use of such specially provided stopping or parking points as is permitted...

(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon arrest and conviction therefor shall be punished by a fine of not less than five dollars nor more than one hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the city or county jail for not less than five days nor more than ninety days, or by both fine and imprisonment."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.52.120



"RCW 46.61.570
Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places—Reserving portion of highway prohibited.
(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
...
(4) It shall be unlawful for any person to reserve or attempt to reserve any portion of a highway for the purpose of stopping, standing, or parking to the exclusion of any other like person, nor shall any person be granted such right."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.570

I.E. The police don't have the legal authority to grant this right.

The "protestors" negligent actions literally make him "less wrong" by the definition of the law.




"Criminal Negligence Law and Legal DefinitionCriminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence."

https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/


"Contributory Negligence

The concept of contributory negligence is used to characterize conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to one's self. The idea is that an individual has a duty to act as a reasonable person. When a person does not act this way and injury occurs, that person may be held entirely or partially responsible for the resulting injury, even though another party was involved in the accident.For example, Dave, a motorist, strikes Sally, a pedestrian who was crossing the street without carefully checking traffic or heeding the warning of the do-not-cross sign of the nearby streetlight. Who's at fault in this situation?After an injured party files a negligence claim, the defendant (the person sued) may then assert a contributory negligence claim against the plaintiff (the person bringing the lawsuit), effectively stating that the injury occurred at least partially as a result of the plaintiff's own actions. This would be a contributory negligence counterclaim, a common defense to negligence claims.If the defendant is able to prove the contributory negligence claim, the plaintiff may be totally barred from recovering damages or her damages may be reduced to reflect her role in the resulting injury. The pedestrian in the example, Sally, probably would be considered at least partially at fault (and therefore liable for contributory negligence) for carelessly crossing the street.



Comparative Negligence

Most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach to contributory negligence, wherein each party's negligence for a given injury is weighed when determining damages.Traditionally, the courts viewed contributory negligence as a total bar to the recovery of any damages. Under the traditional view, if a person had contributed to the accident in any way, the person was not entitled to compensation for his or her injuries. In an attempt to reduce the harsh, oftentimes unfair outcomes resulting from this approach, most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach."

https://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/contributory-and-comparative-negligence.html



Under civil law, if a person fails to act reasonably and acts in such a manner to endanger themselves, the defendant may be liable for less, or have no liability at all. As you can see, criminal law sets a higher bar for negligence claims than does civil law, thus it is clear that a claim of criminal negligence on the part of the plaintiff simply would not hold water. This prosecution is purely a political one designed to appease the riot mob and has no basis in law.
92  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 04:43:17 PM
Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed.

This highway was explicitly closed.

No, the highway was blocked off by police in an emergency. That is not the same as the highway being closed. When a highway is closed, its closed, ie physically inaccessible not just legally off limits. One is an emergency action done on short notice, the other is a semi-permanent state. Highways are for driving. The idea we are even discussing the merits of running around on highways at night, blocking off highways risking driver's lives, or any of the other violent conflict that inevitably results from such reckless actions is asinine. All you are doing is advocating for death and more people getting shot, run over, or otherwise beat, maimed and killed. Your hive mind ideology is so important to you that you are willing to support behavior that results in this rather than just admit your woke cult is not so woke.


Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.

Your disconnect from reality seems to have kicked up into the next gear.

On another note:

[img width= 400]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

You're definitely the one who shared it. Let's break it down:

"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.

"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.

"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.

So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.

Ad hominem. Base refutation without substantiation or support.

Yes lets break it down.

(1) "convicted terrorist"
(2) "she sits on the Board of Directors"
(3) "fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter"
(4) "She was convicted for..."

Are any of these numbered references not factual?


(1) (2) (3) (4) "Rosenberg was also identified as a member of the Thousand Currents board of directors in the charity’s Form 990s submitted to the IRS for its 2016, 2017 and 2018 fiscal years, indicating that the former terrorist has been involved with the group for the entirety of its fiscal sponsorship arrangement with the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which began in 2016."

https://www.westernjournal.com/convicted-terrorist-released-bill-clinton-now-sits-board-blms-fundraising-organization/



(2) "As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


"Thousand Currents

Oakland, California, United States

Enhance local and place-specific interventions to address issues impacting the lives of Black community members, families and children by building the infrastructure and capacity of the national #BlackLivesMatter to support and strengthen their local chapters’ organizing capacity

June 1, 2016 - May 31, 2019"

https://www.wkkf.org/grants/grant/2016/06/black-lives-matter-p3034683



(2) "Susan Rosenberg
Human and Prisoner Rights Advocate and Writer
Thousand Currents Vice Chair of the Board of Directors"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200616222408/https:/thousandcurrents.org/board-of-directors/



(2)(4) "Exposing Black Lives Matter's ties to convicted domestic terrorist
... Susan Rosenberg sits on the board of a non-profit that is tied to Black Lives Matter's fundraising operations; reaction from former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/exposing-black-lives-matters-ties-to-convicted-domestic-terrorist/vp-BB16vq1O


(3) "In 2016, BLM Global Network approached Thousand Currents to create a fiscal sponsorship agreement. Thousand Currents, a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt nonprofit organization, provides the legal and administrative framework to enable BLM to fulfill its mission. Fiscal sponsorship is a common structure utilized by nonprofit organizations. Oftentimes, nonprofit initiatives seek fiscal sponsorship to be able to have the fiscal sponsor handle administrative operations while the organization focuses on its programs and builds up its own organizational infrastructure. In this capacity, we provide administrative and back office support, including finance, accounting, grants management, insurance, human resources, legal and compliance. Donations to BLM are received as restricted donations to support the activities of BLM."

https://thousandcurrents.org/black-lives-matter/



(4) "Ms. Rosenberg was arrested in November 1984, when she and a companion, Timothy A. Blunk, were caught unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun, from their car off Interstate 295 in Cherry Hill, N.J. She admitted that she was planning to supply the explosives to others for bombings and has apologized for the crime.
But at the time, Ms. Rosenberg was also wanted for fleeing while under indictment for charges that included federal racketeering and bank robbery.
The indictment covered the Oct. 20, 1981, attack on the Brink's truck by a band of people that included members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. The security guard was killed in the Nanuet Mall, and the two police officers were killed in a roadblock shootout. The robbers took $1.6 million. Federal investigations later showed that Ms. Rosenberg lived for a year in New Haven with Marilyn Jean Buck, the driver of the getaway car.
In the explosives case, Ms. Rosenberg was convicted in 1985 of eight counts of possessing explosives, weapons and fake identification cards. She was sentenced to 58 years in prison. The length of the sentence gave Rudolph W. Giuliani, then the United States attorney, reason to drop the charges in the Brink's robbery. Ms. Rosenberg objected at the time, but to no avail."

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/nyregion/former-terrorist-among-those-pardoned-freed-clinton-s-final-acts-office.html


93  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 01:33:56 PM
[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.

The weird thing about this is I literally said none of it. I was merely pointing out that the "facts" stated in the post you shared were incorrect.

Yet that is exactly what you do when you assert my premise is not true. Your argument consists of

"These facts aren't true because these other independent facts over here exist."

That is the post YOU shared BTW, and didn't even bother reading the Wikipedia link you posted. This is your source.



That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon.
I'm saying the government dropped the bombing charges, therefor she wasn't convicted.

It's ok to admit you're wrong.  If you ever decide to give it a shot, I promise I'll just move on.  Won't bring it up again and talk about all the time.  Won't troll you.  Won't think less of you. It's a totally normal thing for a person to do, we all make mistakes.

She is in fact a convicted felon. She was convicted of having several hundred pounds of explosives. Again, with no tenable defense of all these facts, you can only resort is to try to distract from that conviction by sliding the topic to the other charges. Hey TwattySqueal, speaking of being wrong, what state is Minneapolis in? Also how does it feel to be defending murderers and terrorists? Do you ever stop and ask yourself "Are we the baddies?"
94  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 12:37:52 PM
The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

The bombing charges were dropped, contrary to what was stated in the post you shared.

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/06/us/3-radicals-agree-to-plead-guilty-in-bombing-case.htm

Quote
Bombing Charges Dropped

As part of the deal, Government prosecutors agreed to drop bombing charges against three other members of the leftist group who are serving long prison sentences for possession of explosives.
...
Lawyers said a Supreme Court decision in May in a New York case on the issue of double jeopardy figured in the Government's willingness to drop the charges against the three other radicals, Susan L. Rosenberg, Timothy A. Blunk and Alan Berkman.

Also, Thousand Currents isn't the "fundraising arm" of BLM. So, the post you shared remains wholly incorrect.

[Shes not a terrorist! She was only convicted of having hundreds of pounds of explosives! Don't look at that though, look over here away from the inconvenient facts and look at the squirrel over here.]

You denying Thousand Currents directly funds Black Lives Matter doesn't magically make it cease to be fact.


You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists.
Obviously she's guilty - no need to get all upset and assume I'm 'defending' her.  

You're the one spreading misinformation about her, not me.  Now she can point out the lies that are spreading and maybe convince some people that the truth about her is also a lie.  The truth is always the right side to be on.


The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.
Ok well prove the 1990 NYTimes article wrong then. And no, the possession of explosives charges were separate from the bombing charges that the government dropped.

That is exactly what you are doing, defending a convicted terrorist felon. Everything I said about her is true and I provided multiple sources for each part of the claim. Don't pretend you care about the truth as you use it as a shiny object to distract from the felony conviction. I don't need to prove that, I already proved she is a convicted felon caught with large amounts of explosives.

You two are desperate to distract from this fact aren't you? I wonder what you would say if even the "MAGA Bomber", a man who injured no one, nor intended too, was fundraising for Donald Trump? Might your heads explode with the collective reverberations of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing?
95  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
On another note:
[img width= 200]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/



On another note:
[img width= 200]https://i.imgur.com/yQBxBFv.png[/img]

A quick fact check:

Susan Rosenberg wasn't convicted for any bombings. She was convicted of possessing more than 600 pounds of explosives in 1984. The bombing charges were dropped against her in 1990. She served 16 years of a 58-year prison sentence.

Also, she doesn't sit on the BLM's "fundraising arm" board of directors. She is the Vice Chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, "a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

https://thousandcurrents.org/blacklivesmatter-we-will-not-be-intimidated-into-silence/

Too many words in those links.  I'll help.

[img ]https://i.gyazo.com/36d8a948024be2d526f315e71c0b01a2.png[/img]

You two are so cute when you are defending convicted terrorists. The charges were not dropped, her sentence was commuted, which is only an ending of a prison sentence, not remedy from guilt. She was still convicted and guilty of terrorist activity.

 "Susan Lisa Rosenberg (born 5 October 1955)[1] is an American activist, writer, and advocate for social justice and prisoners' rights. From the late 1970s into the mid-1980s, Rosenberg was active in the far-left revolutionary terrorist May 19th Communist Organization ("M19CO"), which according to a contemporaneous FBI report "openly advocate[d] the overthrow of the U.S. Government through armed struggle and the use of violence".[2] M19CO provided support to an offshoot of the Black Liberation Army, including in armored truck robberies, and later engaged in bombings of government buildings.[3]

After living as a fugitive for two years, Rosenberg was arrested in 1984 while in possession of a large cache of explosives and firearms. She had also been sought as an accomplice in the 1979 prison escape of Assata Shakur and in the 1981 Brink's robbery that resulted in the deaths of two police and a guard[4], although she was never charged in either case.

Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001[5], his final day in office.[6][7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg



"In 2016, representatives of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement approached Thousand Currents for fiscal management and administrative assistance. [26] This partnership led to a fiscal sponsorship agreement that launched the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation. [27] The W.K. Kellogg Foundation provided a three-year grant of $900,000 thorough Thousand Currents to help organize local BLM chapters. [28] [29]

...

Thousand Currents reported $3,354,654 and $2,622,017 in donor-restricted assets for the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation in audits covering fiscal year 2019[31] and 2018,[32] respectively. These audits also showed that 83.3 percent of Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation total expenditures were for personnel, consultant, and travel costs during the three year period from 2017-2019.[33] About 6 percent of expenditures were in the form of grants to outside organizations, including to local Black Lives Matter chapters.[34]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/



"As of June 2020, the vice chair of Thousand Currents board of directors was Susan Rosenberg, a former member of the Weather Underground and May 19th Communist Organization who spent 16 years in federal prison before having the remainder of her sentence commuted by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[56]"

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/thousand-currents/#people


As you can see they directly provide funding for BLM, and that money is being laundered through various PACs, Super PACS, and 501 C3 tax exempt organizations into the Democrat campaign. There is no denying BLM is a political group.



"BLM Co-Founder Appears To Violate IRS Laws On CNN"

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/26/blm-co-founder-appears-to-violate-irs-laws-on-cnn/





96  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: July 12, 2020, 05:34:37 AM
Hey antimaskers... your idol caved in, time for you to get on with the program too.






Thanks for glaring proof you don't actually care about protecting anyone's health and just use masks as a form of enforcing group think conformity, political antagonism, and virtue signaling. If you did, you wouldn't be mocking it. Honk on clowns.
97  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 12, 2020, 05:31:26 AM
a-now-designated-reckless driver hit reckless protestors?
Yes.  

Someone ran over and killed someone else in a reckless way.

Protesting in the middle of the highway is clearly reckless and dumb - but it's not like someone jumped in front of a car doing 70 on an open highway.

I like how you carefully edit out the part where the "protestors" are reckless and in the act of committing a crime. Yes, that is EXACTLY what it is like. Highways are explicitly restricted because they are expecting traffic to travel at a high rate of speed. What difference does a high rate of speed make you might ask?

It means increased braking distance. Which means if you park several dark vehicles across a highway, around the end of a curve further reducing vision, in the middle of the night, all dressed in black, while being in a place you are not expected to be, you create a very clear risk of injury or death of not only yourself, but other drivers. They just happened to be the ones to die this time.

The embarrassment of admitting this and the other "protests" have gone too far is too much for the woke cultural revolutionary soy ninja LAARPers and their supporters to admit. Instead they choose to ruin this black man's life in the name of black lives and continue to endanger other people and themselves. The injured parties are 187% responsible for these events. You know what all of this is called? Mental illness.

On another note:

98  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 11, 2020, 06:27:03 AM
Do you know someone was there or something?  Were you there?  Because you're speaking as if you have first hand knowledge.  I think that this is just another example of you thinking you're able to deduct exactly what happened and/or what's going to happen from media reports.  But your conclusion is the opposite of what's being reported....so....what's going on.

Do you? Simple logic and reason does not require any of this. That's right, the media would never publish anything misleading now would they? P.S. the word is deduce. I am using a deductive reasoning process, not doing your taxes.



You can't get more superseding than putting an illegal road block on a highway and LARPING soy ninjas on the highway at night. That fucking idiot ended THEIR OWN LIFE, and people like you want to run this man's life so you don't have to admit they are fucking idiots. Idiots which you support in their dangerous and illegal activities.

If the road was closed it was not illegal to have cars parked on it. And I have already provided the timeline from WSP that clearly shows the road was indeed closed.

I don't want to ruin anyone's life. One person is dead, we can't undo it. But if the driver can prove that the road was not closed and it was ok to drive on it at speed - that's fine with me. However there are no publicly known facts showing that and you're not providing any proof of that. Just repeating "illegal" doesn't make it so.

Ah, I see. So they prearranged to have a protest on the highway and had a permit? Oh no, more like these idiots blocked off a highway as the police desperately attempted to save them from their own stupidity in an emergency. Just because they tried to stop these retards from killing themselves doesn't make their actions, safe, reasonable, or legal.

Yes, you do want to ruin this black mans life. Of course that is fine because, repeat with me, "Black Lives Matter", thus as in the holy books, all sins are washed clean and all dangerous and idiotic actions are sanctified by virtue of cultural revolutionary diktat.

How is this?

"RCW 47.52.120
Violations specified—Exceptions—Penalty.

"(1) After the opening of any limited access highway facility, it shall be unlawful for any person to:...(e) stop or park any vehicle or equipment within the right-of-way of such facility, including the shoulders thereof, except at points specially provided therefor, and to make only such use of such specially provided stopping or parking points as is permitted...

(3) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon arrest and conviction therefor shall be punished by a fine of not less than five dollars nor more than one hundred dollars, or by imprisonment in the city or county jail for not less than five days nor more than ninety days, or by both fine and imprisonment."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.52.120



"RCW 46.61.570
Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places—Reserving portion of highway prohibited.
(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic, or in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or official traffic control device, no person shall:
(a) Stop, stand, or park a vehicle:
...
(4) It shall be unlawful for any person to reserve or attempt to reserve any portion of a highway for the purpose of stopping, standing, or parking to the exclusion of any other like person, nor shall any person be granted such right."

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.570

I.E. The police don't have the legal authority to grant this right.
99  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: July 11, 2020, 06:08:49 AM
Seattle is not in Minnesota.

No, it isn't. I would say you are confused, but you aren't ever wrong are you?

Confused why you're citing Minnesota statutes. Yes.  Most likely you was the first thing that looked good on google so you just copy pasted without reading.  I could be wrong though.

What state is Minneapolis in TwattySqueal?
100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: July 11, 2020, 01:22:40 AM
We only know the basics of what happened:

He drove onto a closed highway swerved around a bunch of parked cars, ran two people over and the fled the scene.  One of them died.

Why are you guys going all Johnny Cochran over this?  "He was simply driving down the road, exactly nothing else" give me a break.

Obviously there could be more to this story but it def looks like he checks enough boxes:



Quote
Vehicular homicide—Penalty.
(1) When the death of any person ensues within three years as a proximate result of injury proximately caused by the driving of any vehicle by any person, the driver is guilty of vehicular homicide if the driver was operating a motor vehicle:
(a) While under the influence of intoxicating liquor or any drug, as defined by RCW 46.61.502; or
(b) In a reckless manner; or
(c) With disregard for the safety of others."

That is funny, "parked cars" as if they were in a designated parking spot and not illegally blocking a highway. "Swerved around" is also known as avoiding an imminent collision. Also "fleeing the scene" in this case is also acting in order to prevent an reasonable expectation of a threat to life or injury from a violent mob chasing after him. If they had not blocked the roadway with vehicles no one would be dead. If they had not illegally been on the highway at night wearing all black, no one would be dead. The injured party in this case was not acting reasonably, which is the standard for liability for a defendant in a criminal case.

Yeah who, ever heard of applying the law in a criminal case right? Fuck his rights under the law, what is important is fucking morons endangering themselves are not at fault because wokeness. Black lives matter, but only as long as long as they fit the narrative of the cultural revolution. This black man is inconvenient so fuck his life.



You are also glossing over the fact that the driver did not cause injury while in the act of driving negligently. You argue the road was closed, but it was not officially closed, but "attempted" to be closed as an emergency protective measure for the people violating the law by blocking it. You seem to want to hold the driver fully responsible when the "protestors" made the most significant contributions towards making themselves unsafe.

It was closed enough for the driver to take the exit ramp. It had been closed for more than an hour prior to the accident:

https://www.wsp.wa.gov/2020/07/06/wsp-detectives-seeking-witnesses-to-i-5-hit-and-run/

Quote
At approximately 1:36 AM on July 4, 2020, the Washington State Patrol (WSP) responded to a serious injury hit and run collision on SB I-5 and Olive Way.

The WSP closed both directions of I-5 for protest activity at 11:56 p.m. on July 3rd.

The victims allegedly being engaged in an unlawful activity before the highway was closed doesn't make it ok to kill them. They were no longer "jaywalking" once the highway had been closed.

I don't "want" anything here, just commenting on the issue so simmer down, would you.



"Make it ok to kill them" is not the standard. The fact that they were acting in an unreasonable and self endangering manner is the standard. As the legal precedent I linked states very clearly:

"The defendant may offer proof that the act of another person was a superseding or intervening cause of the accident, in which case he is not liable for the death."

You can't get more superseding than putting an illegal road block on a highway and LARPING soy ninjas on the highway at night. That fucking idiot ended THEIR OWN LIFE, and people like you want to run this man's life so you don't have to admit they are fucking idiots. Idiots which you support in their dangerous and illegal activities.
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