I would put money on either Michelle Obama or Killary taking his spot.
Let's go. I would be glad to take money from you retards, but gambling in the US is illegal in most states, and you would probably report me after I took your money. |
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There's no way, in the modern era, to just replace the guy that just the majority of the popular vote and delegate vote in his respective party without inciting some sort of civil war within the party and causing it to fracture.
If he steps aside willingly -- ya know, by saying that he just isn't fit for the office and that the party should do something -- that's one thing. But forcing him out while he is out in the media disputing the claim, isn't going to work. It'll force the 'Obama Democrats' (the moderates) to turn against the party.
I know he's a horrible candidate and I agree with that, but I don't think they can kick him out without hurting themself more. Let me put it in big red letters so you can read it more clearly. THEY DON'T CAREThey are going to do it and there isn't a damned thing anyone is going to do to stop them. Joe is going to willingly step down because he is a puppet. The Democrat party is already dead.  |
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I'd have to agree with all of this, even if I'm someone who typically agrees with the fact that government is incompetent. I don't think that the government and policy makers (Republicans and Democrats) are going to just make large decisions like this willy nilly. No one is just going to decide, for partisan reasons, that they're going to try to kill the economy through making up a fake virus for a quarantine. This doesn't make sense at all because it's bullshit.
We do truly have a highly infectious virus on our hands that is killing people in the at risk categories (Older, Respiratory Issues, Heart Issues, etc) and others in some mysterious fashion.
Will medical experts and economic experts disagree on how they want to see the reopening happen? Yes, it makes sense on why they would -- medical experts are going to look at different things and economic experts are going to look at different things as well. Nice strawman. I never said all of this was fake. The virus is real. It is potentially dangerous. The reaction to it was more destructive than the virus ever will be. Only a small group need be willing participants. You know why? The world is filled with people who follow those who they perceive to have authority with little to no critical thought, for example you and SaltySpitoon. Ever heard of The Milgram Experiment? Only a small number of those involved need to be witting accomplices, the rest dutifully follow orders. As they like to say "I was just following orders." "Listening to the Coronavirus 'Experts' Has Led to Death and Despair" http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/may/18/listening-to-the-coronavirus-experts-has-led-to-death-and-despair/ |
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Highly doubt they're going to do something like that, and I doubt that Biden would willingly step away and that's really the only way to be able to do this without a civil war in the democrat party. I know I've said it time and time again, and its still true -- Biden doesn't have energetic supporters backing him -- but replacing Biden at this stage (yes, even before the convention) is going to kill the party and make it look CRAZILY fixed.
Even if Clinton had the backing of the Democrat party, with fundraising and such, she did still win the vote totals and the amount of delegates needed to clinch the nomination.
If you brokered convention Biden (not even sure how this would happen) and replace him with a dark horse candidate like Clinton, Bloomberg, etc -- you're going to see the Democratic party go poof VERY quickly. There is no way he is going to be the candidate. He can't go 5 minutes without spacing out, falling asleep, or saying something completely senseless. You think the leaders of the democrat party give a fuck about their image? Have you been watching the last 3 years? The Democrat party is already over, you just haven't figured it out yet. I would put money on either Michelle Obama or Killary taking his spot. |
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When did that lush get her doctorate? |
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You're approaching this from the wrong angle, people don't just decide policy based on nothing, its not logical. The economy is as you said a finely tuned and complicated machine, but it is analyzed and forecast on a daily basis. Its not some mysterious entity that the people who've been analyzing it for 30 years are unable to draw conclusions on. The Trump administration employs these wizards that have a full time job of saying, hey we should impose tariffs to incentive this sector because we predict that this earthquake in Uzbekistan will have this effect on the sector. But you're right, its far more reasonable and likely to assume they're just throwing darts at a dartboard to decide economic policy.
Not that it matters, but the lockdown idea was first applied in the 1300s where the term "quattuor" (later quarantine) comes from, to curb the spread of the bubonic plague. Its been applied for hundreds of years because it does work. Canada did lockdown measures in 2003 to stop the spread of SARS. South Korea did the same thing in 2015 with MERS. The US did social distancing and closure of businesses where patrons couldn't distance themselves in 1918. Epidemics aren't all that rare, its just that the ones that we've had in the US in the past 100 years were more or less treatable with vaccines which isn't the case this time around.
Even if I was to entertain the idea of US Government incompetence and decided that you knew better how to manage the economy than the consensus of all of the people they employ, what about Canada? What about every other country in the world doing the same measures (albeit substantially more successfully than us). They all have different governments with different interests, yet their medical and economic advisors are more or less telling them the same things. Oh am I? Good of you to tell me what my argument should be as you completely avoid addressing any of the points I made or substantiating any of your own arguments. Small portions and sub-sectors of the economy are forecast and modeled, not the entire macroeconomic system, and not regarding drastic unprecedented changes. You keep saying over and over again that people examined the effects of the lock down on the economy before it was implemented, yet you remain unable to substantiate this claim with any kind of documentation whatsoever. I guess your proclamation of righteousness is sufficient is it? I am not talking about the concept of a lock down as an idea, I am talking specifically about utilizing it as a modern policy for emergency response, which I documented and you conveniently misdirected from with your whole historical analysis of the concept. All those other modern examples you gave were of minor regional areas, not a nation wide shut down barring businesses from operating. This is no comparison at all. You are trying to compare cooking a burger on your back yard grill with a global McDonald's corporate empire and pretending they are comparable. This is not just incompetence, it is sold as incompetence. It is INTENTIONAL SABOTAGE FOR PROFIT AND CONTROL. The more emergencies created, the more people like you rush to the government screaming "Please! Please strip my rights to keep me safe!" Meanwhile massive corporate entities get to destroy their competition via shutdowns while they remain operational. Then when the waves of bankruptcies hit, they can buy up all of their real assets at fire sale prices. This also all has the added benefit of being able to blame decades of economic mismanagement on this outbreak instead of the real perpetrators responsible. No it wasn't us doing our fraud or the massive inflation we created destroying the economy, it was because that darned virus! A global economic reset was in the works for a long time. This was just the perfect pretext they needed to roll it out and start burning it all down while not resulting in street lynchings for those responsible for robbing us all blind. A disaster for one is an opportunity for another, but you feel free to keep believing there is no motivation for this planned economic implosion.  |
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This whole drama created by a few Turkish members seems to be affecting the Local board overwhelmingly. Most Turkish users are interacting in Local and there view about Global is being manipulated by those caught in scamming activities. They are sowing general discord amongst the community with stupid conspiracy theories. I have been trying to talk with the people over at Turkish local. Here is a step-wise evolution of the matter. 1. REMOVAL OF KALEMDER The whole thing started because Kalemder was removed from the ChipMixer campaign after he was found to have some "Mutual trust inclusion/ exclusion" affair with TECHSHARE. He says that he did it because he trusted TECHSHARE as he was speaking out against racism. Techshare isimli kullanıcıyı kısa bir süre eklediğim için lauk ve takımı bana negatif vermişlerdi. Geçen ay bunla alakalı dönen yoğun tartışmabın sonunda Theymos uzun bir açıklama yazmıştı. Oldukça politik, yuvarlak bir açıklama idi.
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"Since I added the user Techshare for a short time, lauk and his team gave me negative. At the end of the intense debate about it last month, Theymos wrote a long statement. It was a very political, round statement."
Kalemder, in that "mutual trust" incident, did you have any reason to include TECHSHARE or it was just a mutual agreement that you agreed to because of thinking that it is normal? Personally, I do not intend to engage in these unnecessary discussions. Frankly, I am not someone who actively uses the global part of the forum. But it's hard to believe that what's described here and what looks like some "coincidence" is innocent. I just tried to help you about your question. As apparent here, I asked him and quite a few people who understand Turkish themselves would say that "it does not seem a coincidence" 2. NEGGING OF VISIPILIO The most important player in this whole saga is Visipilio who got negged by Jollygood and removed from DT1. He seems to have an intense desire to wield influence over the Turkish Local. He has been spited since he got removed from DT-1 after Jollygood questioned his moral/ ethical stand to support Yobit despite there scamming ways. He believes that he was right there. I think he should have just settled this issue with Jollygood as nobody elese left him a trust rating based on that. But he being the megalomaniac that he is, he went on to start a "awareness campaign" against ChipMixer and DarkStar not selecting him. His underlying premises is that everyone's primary goal in this forum now is to get hold of some "lucrative bounties and signature campaign". His theory says that DT-1 is manipulating the campaign so only there friends can get into CM. The plenty of evidence in the form of recent local members from Indonesian and Filipino boards don't make a difference to him because in his mind, he is a great poster and DT-1 is afraid of him. See him "educating" me here: ...
Now, the situation has become so complex that it is hard to know who to trust.Similarly, Visipilio got dropped from DT-1 after his very public statements about him not being responsible if people click on scams due to him. His image got spoiled due to some of these remarks and people in DT-1 acquired a bias against him. People do not want someone who will take such things lightly to be on DT-1.
That is when, Visipilio has started opening threads about DT-1 conspiracy, need for turkish users to unite and now he has gone a step ahead and is playing into the hands of the same trolls who want to damage BTC by saying things like "Blockstream conspiracy" etc etc.
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just for your own education I will respond 1 time to your brainwashed indoctrination, I was actually congratulated by many people in private for my intellectual comments regarding the entire Yobit affair, go to that accusation thread and read them again, I'm almost certain you also will agree with most of my points. And yet, at least 3 defamation threads were opened against me, using Yobit as an excuse, right around the time of ChipMixer applications, because the inner circle was well aware I was short listed to be selected (or at the very least always top rival in their perception because of the outstanding quality of my messages and my independent tone in general)... So please don't try to rewrite history, when the cases of corruption and defamation have been already discussed and proven beyond a shadow of doubt multiple times. I don't know who are these users who "privately congratulated" him for winning the "Yobit debate". Thanks for feeding his ego. I will repeat again that he could easily have gotten himself out of that whole Yobit thing. Yet, his over-confidence and egoistical tendencies led him to dig a deeper grave as he started rallying against businesses here. Bullshit. There was never any shred of evidence to support that idea, and it was based completely on an assumption on Nutilduhh's part, as they later admitted publicly. Not at all. You have every much a right to include who you want as I do to assume you were fishing for reciprocal inclusions. I mediated a dispute between Timelord and some members of the Turkish community, they added me, as a result I ended up back on the default trust list. Being the angry little ass clowns they are, they mobilized to invent several stories across multiple threads simultaneously to try to slander myself and others who had decided to add each other. Not because of mutual inclusions, but because our interaction had cultivated trust. People like you having no idea how any of this works, or what is going on just read what these retards write and accept it as fact without any critical thought or examination of your own, and that is what they depend on. As far as the negative for Vispillo over Yobit, Jollygood decided to make it his mission to negative rate anyone who used the banner, and punish people by guilt via association simply for using their banner. Jollygood went too far, and this kind of arbitrary declaration of guilt was again used as a vector of attack to make sure anyone who criticizes the current clown clan currently controlling the default trust never has any ability to balance out their vote within it. |
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LoyceV brought up a point regarding collectibles that is both accurate and something I feel I can comment on.
I am not sure exactly when, but somewhere around 2016 the way we leave trust feedback in the Collectibles section changed. Prior you only left trust if you actually trusted the other party in the deal. For example, if you sent first. If you bought something from me and paid prior to me shipping I would not leave you trust as I did not have to trust you in the trade. Now, positive trust is left for a positive trade. If the trade is successful both parties generally leave a positive.
I preferred the old way as it was actually a trust system.
This is also known as trust farming when done for notorious purposes, and increases the risk for everyone here when done for whatever purpose. Make some small trades here and some small trades there and you are done.  Yes, using the trust system as it is intended is "trust farming", but getting all of your reputation from "scam busting", well that clearly makes you trustworthy and is not trust farming at all! |
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I don't recall "the official story claiming" for WTC7, the floors impacted each other progressively.
That phenomena is an accurate description of what everyone's seen on video regarding the twin towers. For WTC 7, it collapsed inwards.
Please stop sayng nonsensical things such as "Netwon's 3rd law of motion would need to be violated as any resistance would decrease the rate of speed of the fall due to the resistance encountered in the way down."
Without accurate and precise measurements of the "rate of speed of the fall", you cannot make any claim as to the matter.
The way this actually works would be if we say the time of fall is known within certain upper and lower bounds, then the effective gravitational force would be known within certain bounds, and since g is known, then the range of a possible second variable that might decrease the effective g is known. Not that it would be proportional to g at all speeds, but you should get the idea.
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You've pulled that quote from a general description of the events, not even related to timing.
How do you figure "requires zero resistance"?
Here is the paragraph in full and in context.
...First responders assisted thousands of civilians in evacuating the towers, even as incident com- manders from responding agencies lacked knowledge of what other agencies and, in some cases, their own responders were doing.
From 9:59 until 10:28 A.M.
At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds, killing all civilians and emergency personnel inside, as well a number of individuals—both first responders and civilians—in the concourse, in the Marriott, and on neighboring streets.The building collapsed into itself, causing a ferocious windstorm and creating a massive debris cloud.The Marriott hotel suffered significant damage as a result of the collapse of the South Tower.
Regardless, why would you use the highest elevation to calculate the speed of fall? the collapse started from about the 80th floor. Seems you've improperly described the events in order to make a point.
From page 294.
At 9:03:11, the hijacked United Airlines Flight 175 hit 2 WTC (the South Tower) from the south, crashing through the 77th to 85th floors.
Assuming 12 feet per floor, 12*80 = 960 feet until the section above the crash zone hit the debris pile. And how long is your prized "free fall speed" for 960 feet?
Looks about 7.3 seconds. Looks like your theory is disproved, because initial presumptions were incorrect.
It doesn't matter which direction it collapses. Collapsing inwards doesn't magically remove the resistance of the internal infrastructure. Fire doesn't do that. Impact damage doesn't do that. I don't need precise measurements of every detail and qualifier you want to tack on for you to obfuscate that your theory requires the laws of physics to be violated. Gravitational acceleration, or "free fall" speed is approximately 32 ft/s2. Anything close to, at, or above that downward velocity REQUIRES zero resistance form internal infrastructure to be achievable under Newtons third law of motion. It is required, because if there was resistance, some of the energy held in the velocity of the downward acceleration would be lost in the destruction of the internal infrastructure as it fell, resulting in the slowing of its fall. You keep trying to argue against the laws of physics. Like I said before, all the other theories are useless. When it comes down to it you have to argue against the laws of physics itself to claim your "pancake collapse" theory is true. |
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As some one who is admittedly ignorant how our system of economics works, you seem rather assured that all these unnamed experts know what they are doing and some how are able to centrally plan out our economy on a macroeconomic scale on such short notice when all attempts to do so throughout all of human history have failed so spectacularly. It is almost as if you have no facts to support your argument and are relying completely on appeal to authority. Pay no attention to the economy crumbling around us, the government is here to help.
You are correct! Economics isn't my forte, so I rely on millions of people who do understand economics to create economic policy. I don't understand 100% of the Bitcoin code, so I rely on all of the other people who understand it to point out if there is a problem. What you call appeal to authority is just how humans overcome the fact that we don't live long enough to gather mastery of all subject matters. Every time you drive over a bridge without researching and understanding all of the structural properties, you are by your own definition "appealing to authority" by trusting the engineers who built the bridge to keep you safe. I believe the government is here to screw us over when it benefits them. If it doesn't benefit them, I have no reason to believe that they're acting dishonestly. Again, it is in the government's best interest to aim for the best possible financial outcome. I do not have the manpower or resources to adequately collect the data to model the intersection between financial damage from the shutdown and projection of financial damage from unchecked Covid19. If you do, I'd completely unsarcastically love to see your predictions if you care to explain them. I don't wholeheartedly pledge my allegiance to the government, I acknowledge that it has the ability to coordinate efforts between large groups of people that do know what they're doing to collect the data necessary to make a plan. The entirety of your point is that we shouldn't trust the government because they're the government. its somehow a bad thing to listen to people who have expertise in something you don't. I trust the consensus of the medical community. I value the consensus of the business community. I believe that the government has the ability to use its own people to verify the consensus of the medical community (the CDC for example) to come to a decision about the outlook of Covid from the medical community (and its own economic advisors). It then takes that input, and crunches the numbers to come to a plan on the best possible solution. Why? Because thats their job... when people have a job to do, if they don't have any reason to do it dishonestly they typically dont. Do you actually have any evidence that so much effort was put into planning this response, or is this just a lazy appeal to authority logical fallacy again on your part? No one has the data or ability to model the macroeconomic effects of the shutdown, that is my point. I don't care how many experts you throw at it, the economy is a very finely tuned complicated machine flying down the highway at 120mph, and the shutdown just slammed it into reverse gear at full speed. Even if we can regain control of the vehicle the transmission is going to be destroyed. Very good of you to tell me what my point is. What else is that called? Oh, right a straw man. My point is no one has the ability to model all of this effectively, and you have no evidence to support your claim that it has been examined in this way, in such detail, or even by economics experts. My point is even if they did, they still would not be able to do a good enough job to approach a reliable model. So far all I have seen are horribly inaccurate computer model based systems, not "millions of people who understand economics". This wasn't an economic policy, it was an emergency policy with economics as an afterthought at best. You like to imagine that government couldn't be so incompetent, but you have zero evidence to support your assertions. What if I told you the lock down plan is based on a high school science project from 2006? What would you say then? What if I told you that experts in economics and medicine rejected the idea, but it was implemented anyway? What if I asked you to substantiate your claims with documentation? What other logical fallacies would you pull out to avoid admitting that you have zero logical arguments to respond with? There are people who have interests in seeing this nation fail for control and profit. Your inability to admit this and pretend like no one wants to see this happen is beyond ignorant. What will eventually be sold as incompetence is actually intentional sabotage, and it is enabled by millions of people just like you running to the warm embrace of the government when they tell you "we are here to help!". When you see the devastation that develops over the following years as a result of this policy, you just make sure you remember how vociferously you fought for your own nation's destruction. "The 2006 Origins of the Lockdown Idea" https://www.aier.org/article/the-2006-origins-of-the-lockdown-idea/"Neil Ferguson's Imperial model could be the most devastating software mistake of all time " https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergusons-imperial-model-could-devastating-software-mistake/ |
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Or people ignored an assertion that was non sensical.
There's nothing wrong with your "Tell me what is wrong..." except that you can't even prove that the collection of disassembled objects previously know as WTT, then falling from one of the World Trade Towers were or were not falling at "free fall speed."
Given the huge clouds of dust, you'd have to rely on radar or acoustic signatures. Then given the settling of the debris, you'd at best have an envelope of uncertainty around your imaginary concept of "free fall speed."
Next you'd have to conjecture that the resistance of the collapse somehow was outside of the bounds of that envelope of uncertainty. Being Tecshare, you'd like to determine that by PROCLAMATION BY TECSHARE.
It doesn't work that way. Show the math and the numbers if you want to be taken seriously. How about the official 9/11 commission report? "From 9:59 until 10:28 A.M. At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds..." P. 305 " THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT" How tall was it? "The North Tower rose 1,368 feet—1,730 feet with a large antenna—and the South Tower stood 1,362 feet high." https://www.911memorial.org/learn/resources/world-trade-center-history1362 feet in 10 seconds. This requires zero resistance to reach these speeds. "But its smokey!" You say. What about WTC 7? "Freefall Acceleration of WTC7" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POUSJm--tgwIt is not complicated. The official story claims the floors impacted each other progressively on the way down. For this to be possible, Netwon's 3rd law of motion would need to be violated as any resistance would decrease the rate of speed of the fall due to the resistance encountered in the way down. Tell me more about baseless proclamations as you do exactly what you accuse me of. |
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Physics is a pretty established science. Tell me what is wrong with the idea that something can not fall at free fall speeds unless it has no resistance. Amazing how quickly you guys jump to topic slide when you are presented with a question you can't logically answer. |
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The patents are owned by the US government, government employees' names are on the patent application. The government employees might receive some compensation from the royalties NIH receives. Considering the visibility and the importance of any future treatments and/or vaccines for covid-19, I am pretty sure Fauci will donate his cut to some charity. Like he did in the past. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545012/Do you really think he is motivated by money? At his age and considering the fact that he spent his life working as a scientist, not a real estate developer, or a stockbroker, I think it is safe to say that the guy is an intellectual not a money-hungry half-witted businessman/car salesman. I see, so you know the man personally do you? Plenty of old people are greedy as fuck, don't give me that. They aren't just an applicant, the are the inventors. They get profits from royalties, as it clearly says in your own reference. You are simultaneously trying to make it sound like he has no ability to profit while telling me he profited in the past. Ooo, $45,000 he donated. How generous! Probably just generous enough to cover his tax liabilities. How much do you think he would make on royalties on a vaccine that at minimum would be made hundreds of millions of times, and potentially billions of times? It would be Considerably more than $45,000 now wouldn't it? "Patients who took part in clinical trials at the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) had no idea that scientists at the institutes received $8.9m (£4.8m; €6.8m) in royalty payments and might benefit financially for the use of their discoveries by pharmaceutical companies and device makers, reports from Associated Press allege." No idea my ass. He donated it because it became widely known and he would look bad if he didn't. |
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I like the idea, and that pendant does look cool. Being a fan of the genres you noted, I might be interested in some of your items. But I have a question; does this infringe on any copyright? I really don't know, I'm just asking the question. If I'm not mistaken, some studios have secured exclusive rights to produce toys and trinkets with references to their movies. I hope I'm wrong, but if not I would hate to see you get into trouble for doing this. This is highly unlikely for some one doing small handmade production levels. Not only is it not viable cost wise, but all it would do is totally piss of its fan base. There is no reason he should be concerned. |
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So will the president. LOL. NIAID is an agency of the US government. The people who have the rights to the treatments still stand to profit millions. In this case, that is Fauci. |
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