I do know she emailed herself to document what she was told, and the most likely explanation for that is she didn't believe what she was told, and didn't want to be the one held responsible for these crimes.
I don't know for sure either, and I do agree that this was her covering her ass, but I just don't see how this could be interpreted as Rice trying not to become the fall guy for Obama. It looks more like she was literally just keeping the record straight. By law, her notes - and literally any other notes or emails involving the President or VP belongs in the Presidential records with plans to eventually be made public. I don't think it's unreasonable to think on her last day of work (Inaguration) she was taking care of the last of whatever it takes to put things in the record. I assume Obama, Biden and Comey all know how the system works and expected there to be a record of their meeting, like every other meeting. I bet Comey filed a memo also considering it was one of the few times they ever spoke. The reason that is a big deal is because if they had information to support the claim that Flynn was working with the Russians, they had no excuse to not inform the incoming president about this so he could take precautions. So in the end this is not just about keeping Flynn in the dark, it is about keeping the president in the dark. If they really believed Flynn did this, they would intentionally be risking national security to go after Trump by not informing him. You can't have it both ways.
It was about whether or not they could trust Flynn with sensitive information regarding Russia. It was already known that there were connections between Trump, his family, his campaign and Russia. In Flynns case, he was fired by Obama in 2014 as head of the DIA and a few months later was being paid by RT and having dinner with Putin. Isn't that alone enough for Obama to ask Comey 'should I worry about what we hand over to Flynn about Russia right now?'. I know it was only a couple weeks left, but he was still President and responsible for the country. And he did reportedly warn Trump about Flynn. Told him not to hire him. Chris Christie (when he was head of transition) also said he was a train wreck waiting to happen or something. No, that is what YOU want it to be about. It is totally a irrelevant attempt at topic sliding away from the fact that the investigations into Flynn's alleged criminal activity was based on fraud. None of the bullshit you are trying to interject matters. He didn't warn him about a security threat, which means if he actually believed he was a threat, he was putting national security at risk. You can't have it both ways. Voicing opinions on suggestions to not hire him "or something" is not the same as warning him about a potential security threat no matter how much you want to claim it is to obfuscate the situation. |
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Of course there have been numerous other inquiries into this subject. I don't need to debate it, because I know for a fact of voter fraud, pro-Democratic, on a historical basis, and don't care to play the little game you have there.
You know for a fact there has been "voter fraud, pro-Democratic, on a historical basis", but just don't want to show any evidence, huh. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that. Imagine how I would be mocked if I were to say something like that about republicans. You mean like the Russian collusion delusion? You mean evidence like this? "In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes" https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/politics/20121112_In_59_Philadelphia_voting_wards__Mitt_Romney_got_zero_votes.html"Statement by the Press Secretary on the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity" https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-presidential-advisory-commission-election-integrity/"A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States" https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud"| The Problem of Duplicate Voting 20171America The Vulnerable: The Problem of Duplicate Voting" http://g-a-i.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Voter-Fraud-Final-with-Appendix-1.pdf"Voter Fraud: We’ve Got Proof It’s Easy" https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/01/voter-fraud-weve-got-proof-its-easy-john-fund/"Democrats Claim Voter Fraud is a Myth; Here's Proof It's Not" https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/democrats-claim-voter-fraud-is-a-myth-heres-proof-its-not"Proof Democrats are in Conspiracy to Commit Voter Fraud" https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/proof-democrats-are-in-conspiracy-to-commit-voter-fraud/"Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People" https://www.redstate.com/aarongardner/2012/09/04/colorado-counties-have-more-voters-than-people/"In Florida: Obama Got Over 99% in Broward County Precincts " www.punditpress.com/2012/11/in-florida-obama-got-over-99-in-broward.html"St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County " www.punditpress.com/2012/11/breaking-st-lucie-county-florida-had.html"Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote " www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html"Is voter fraud being committed in Ohio?" https://humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/"Florida Vote Twist: More Ballots Than Voters" https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/nov/10/florida-vote-twist-more-ballots-voters/"Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say" https://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/09/16/voter-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html"'You have to vote for Dems,' NYC poll worker tells ... GOP Senate candidate" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/you-have-to-vote-for-dems-nyc-poll-worker-tells-gop-senate-candidate"Claims increase of machines switching votes in Ohio, other battlegrounds" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/claims-increase-of-machines-switching-votes-in-ohio-other-battlegrounds"Poll watcher sees Romney ballots changed" https://www.wnd.com/2012/11/poll-watcher-sees-romney-ballots-changed/"Vote Harvesting a Recipe for Coercion and Election Fraud" https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/vote-harvesting-recipe-coercion-and-election-fraud"Database Swells to 1,285 Proven Cases of Voter Fraud in America" https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america"Illegal Ballot Harvesting a Looming Issue in Arizona" https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/02/22/illegal_ballot_harvesting_a_looming_issue_in_arizona_.html"HIDDEN CAM: NYC Democratic Election Commissioner, "They Bus People Around to Vote"" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0"North Carolina vote fraud case shows just why Congress should ban ballot-harvesting nationwide" https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/north_carolina_vote_fraud_case_shows_just_why_congress_should_ban_ballotharvesting_nationwide.html"Michigan Recount Uncovers Serious Voter Fraud in Detroit- VOTES COUNTED UP TO 6 TIMES" https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/revealed-michigan-recount-uncovers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/"Mass Detroit Voter Fraud? - 37% Of Precincts Counted More Ballots Than Voters" https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/mass-detroit-voter-fraud-37-detroit-precincts-tallied-more-ballots-voters"Hacking Democracy" (HBO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YldIdkjrqM |
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i didnt make it to read about these parts lol its more interesting than i thought
so paul manafort was convincing russia that if trump won then trump would help russia take over ukraine. ukraine is our ally russia is our enemy so thats awful. but trump probably had nothing to do with this part of it, manafort just saw it as win win since hes friends with trump and also the oligarchs right? all this must have just given russia even more motivation.
Whether or not Trump was aware of or involved in Manafort offering Russia support in dealing with Ukraine (and keeping crimea, the part of Ukraine that Russia had recently invaded), while also passing along campaign info to oligarchs is something that Mueller was not able to prove. If Trump didn't know then there are a ton of crazy coincidences. For example, we know that on July 29, Manafort tells Kilimnik that Aug 2 would be a good date to meet in NYC. Trump ABC interview on July 31: "You know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were, And you have to look at that, also. Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. ... Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that."  https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (page 139) So in summary, after years of baseless accusations with no evidence, you still have suspicions you have no proof of, but you don't need proof, because of course orange man bad. |
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I could understand the point regarding Democrats wanting the economy to flounder under Trump, that's true. But I don't think they'd be willing to actively kill the economy to get to that point. No one knew this was going to happen, and no one wants this to happen. Yeah, right, because the Democrats certainly haven't been willing to drive this country to nearly breaking out in a civil war over their fraudulent attempts to get Trump out of office for the past three years right? Democrats certainly don't have a record of driving their districts into poverty in order to create dependence on entitlement programs right? They also don't advocate for open borders which not only exposed this country to disease, but destroyed the economy by devaluing pay rates for labor now do they? You underestimate the totally suicidal self destructive nature of these people who demand to be in charge at all costs. They don't care if they burn it all down as long as they get to be in charge of the pile of ashes. If you haven't learned that over the past three years, you are willfully blind. The more disasters they create, the more people run into their open arms looking to be saved by the same people who created the disaster to begin with. |
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90% of that garbage has been proven false. Good try tho digging up corpses of arguments long dead to try to pretend you still have a point.
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How they interfered in the 2016 election. Could you possibly be any more vague? Also what would make this different than any other election previous? Are you suggesting they suddenly started doing this in 2016? |
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The investigation was into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The investigation revealed exactly how they did it, which will make it easier to stop it from happening again. There were many links to and contacts between the Russian government and members of the Trump campaign which were investigated, but that only made up chapter 4 of the report. The destructiveness came from Trump bitching and crying every single day and obstructing the investigation. You should read it: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdfAlso, Cohen was convicted of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing election". You're right it has nothing to do with Russia though. PS: did you know before Manafort was running Trumps campaign he made millions helping Putins top choice get elected in Ukraine? (Ukraine and Russia are enemies, fyi) That's the money he didn't pay taxes on. Money he made by helping Russia influence a different presidential election. Revealed exactly how they did what? You are still desperately clinging to the delusion this has anything to do with the Trump campaign? Yeah why would anyone protest over an investigation designed as a coup attempt based on fraud and felonious activity right? Fucking innocent people complaining about illegal investigations! I like how you make the baseless claim of Russian collusion and move the goal posts to Ukraine so you can pretend you have an argument as we delve into yet another baseless accusation. |
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If anyone got their ass hammered from the Mueller investigation it was his Campaign Chair and Personal Lawyer. They're safe now serving the rest of their prison terms out at home due to the pandemic though, don't worry. Michael Cohen was convicted of tax fraud and perjuring himself in front of congress. None of this has anything to do with Russia, or Trump, except for the fact that he served as his lawyer. You enjoy your back breaking mental gymnastics to try to spin this as some kind of evidence of this massively destructive Russia collusion investigation being justified regardless. |
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You know I already agreed it was fucked up the way the FISA warrants were handled, right? What else do you want me to address? Yet at the same time you downplayed it by saying you don't think it was criminal activity. It was in fact not only criminal, but treasonous. Your little guessing game diversionary topic sliding is irrelevant. The only people who have been convicted of felonies are the ones that were being investigated by Mueller, and working for Trump. Not even an indictment when it comes to the 'investigate the investigators' investigation. Durham isn't done yet, so that could still change. Again, more qualifiers so you can distract from the point. No one said anything about convictions, still the fact remains that faking evidence to get a FISA warrant is a serious crime in spite of your dithering over the matter. |
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Accelerationism is a dangerous concept that can have many unintended consequences. It is often a concept radicals like to use to justify violence and other forms of destructive behavior. IMO if the concept is ever valid at all, its application should be extremely limited.
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The operative word being "accused". Again, nice topic sliding. You know you got your ass hammered with the fraudulent Trump investigations that turned up nothing so you are desperately searching for anything to distract from that. |
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You know I already agreed it was fucked up the way the FISA warrants were handled, right? What else do you want me to address? Yet at the same time you downplayed it by saying you don't think it was criminal activity. It was in fact not only criminal, but treasonous. Your little guessing game diversionary topic sliding is irrelevant. |
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Yeah I did read it. I think it means they didn't find any evidence of wide spread voter fraud.
What conclusions are you coming to? ....
That it is a controversial subject, not adequately explored by this commission, and that a conclusive result in one direct, as you asserted, is not supported by the facts. Of course there have been numerous other inquiries into this subject. I don't need to debate it, because I know for a fact of voter fraud, pro-Democratic, on a historical basis, and don't care to play the little game you have there.[/quote] It is easy to keep convictions down when states refuse to release any data needed to investigate voter fraud. |
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