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1361  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: July 29, 2014, 05:23:12 AM
@bitbets
The S3 is one of the easiest to use products.

You can complain when you need to build cgminer from source and patch it in order for your stuff to work, but not about going into a webinterface and changing the ip of the unit.

This has to be done for any networked miner, so I am not sure why you think it is especially difficult.


Have any of you ever considered teaching a course about 'how to mine bitcoins with such and such hardware' ?
not on the internet, I mean, in person teaching, and making sure that the student can actually do it, and
has replicated classroom work at home.
That would be an interesting course, I would pay for it. But I would want a teacher who would actually come right over to my house to make sure I was doing it right at home too(that would be part of the final mark perhaps? )

Thats a money making idea, i think. Hey you could even give out certificates to people,
so they could then be called CERTIFIED BITCOIN MINER.

I need a course to teach me how to become a CERTIFIED BITCOIN MINER


Your idea has some merit as it would help to improve the miner image. We're generally considered a pretty inaccessible group of curmudgeons who hoard and dump. The class would have to include the cost of hardware, time, etc, so it would certainly cut into the ROI of any student who wasn't looking to get invested with at least a few thousand USD.

Otherwise there is no way the instructor would profit from his/her services while ensuring ROI for the students.  

Just wanted to jump in and express that not all students want to make ROI or profit as far as mining is concerned. There are a range of reasons for people to get involved. I prefer to work with people who are sincerely interested to know what this technology is about and expose them to the existing "beneficial" and potential future usage.
1362  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: July 29, 2014, 04:43:33 AM
I have been looking at the explanations about how to get the S3 antminer mining bitcoins.


Bear in mind, I haven't mined at all yet, and I also am not really familiar with electronics and messing around
with power supply and such.(it doesn't come ready to mine, but I would have to get power supply stuff myself and do some kind of paper clip electrical trick etc..)

To be honest, the explanations seem fairly daunting, with room for errors being many possibilities because
of so many steps involved in getting the S3 mining bitcoins.


What do you think? Is buying an S3 Antminer a good idea for me,

or do you think I will encounter problems in one of the many steps involved, and never actually get to the point where I am ever mining bitcoins?







From what I see, I think the Antminer ISN'T USER FRIENDLY.
The fact I have to jump through numerous hoops, doing multiple steps before I ever even start to mine btc,
means I likely wouldn't make it to that point, and I just end up with a black box with some fans on it and no mining,
and wasted my money and time, without support locally to help me get the thing mining bitcoins.

Therefore, I can pay somewhat for shipping me an Antminer, so I could learn to mine bitcoins, but I wont pay for one.

So, if anyone has an Antminer they can send me, I will pay for the shipping after it arrives, and you just let me know what BTC address to pay btc to and how much.

If I can get the thing mining bitcoins for me, then I might buy one but not if I am uncertain about going through all those steps.


Basically what I am saying is, that you send me the Antminer, and then if I can get it mining bitcoins,
then I pay you for the antminer.
I think its backwards for me to have to pay for something I dont even know if it will mine bitcoins for me because its not user friendly, and I have to pay in advance for that? I wont do it.
You send me the Antminer, and I will pay you later on if it is working to mine bitcoins, but I wont pay if it isnt.



How about if I send you a black box, with a couple little fans included, and you pay me $400 in advance for it?( and it doesnt mine bitcoins, so it just sits in the corner collecting dust until the next garbage day pickup)

Dude, they are insanely easy to use.  Its not bitmains fault youre a complete idiot.

In case you missed it. I have updated the speculative hardware return.



Here is a link to the shared document for you to review. I keep it updated and try to add comments to FAQ in the fields.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
1363  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: July 27, 2014, 02:36:37 PM
Yeah but having your miner queue work from 5minutes ago and gain nothing is also a waste.
Properly setting up a queue/scan-time/expiry can decrease the load of your unit and increase efficiency of the work done.
Proper settings isn't the dark age, it's just something that never is done right Tongue There is a reason these options are here for us to optimize with the specific hardware we use! Smiley
I wrote the software, I know what I'm talking about. You're barking up the wrong tree with scan time and expiry.

I'm not barking up any tree
You wrote a software and we use the optimal settings for the different hardware and pools we use. Correct?

queue of 4096 is not helping the S3 while a lower queue is, so I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post.

Should we just go put 99999 on all the settings and expect them to function the same? Tongue

sir, ghash vs eligius vs p2pool
pls try these pools with the modified queue and scantime...

hope we can see something WOW here

Yeah if you need, just modify your own config, point them at the two pools and conduct your own tests  Grin

My discarded practically disappeared and my load times were dropped by 1/3 1/2... I am happy enough with this. I can't justify why the same overclock is higher now and why the hashrate more stable



Well done. Hope to see more with next firmware updates. Can you see what the power draw is at the wall?
1364  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 26, 2014, 08:27:05 AM
Quote from: Wikipedia
The Greek word ἐλευθερία (pronunciation: [elefθeˈria]), commonly transliterated in English as eleutheria or phonetically spelled eleftheria, is an ancient and modern Greek term for, and personification of, liberty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleutheria
I made this mistake with his name myself 2 years ago and I thought he might be Greek. Look harder at his handle, you'll see it isn't eleutheria.

Oddly enough, the Eleuthria / Eleutheria connection is something I was completely unaware of until a few years ago when somebody asked me about it in #btcguild.  I don't think ckolivas was the first to ask, but it's possible.  The Eleuthria name was something I made up in high school.  I learned C & C++ programming basics by working on MUDs in middle school and high school.  Eleuthria was a name I came up with for one of the games.  For a swords & sorcery fantasy title, generally more vowels = better, and that's where "Eleuthria" came from.  Pronunciation being 'Eee-loo-three-uh' or 'El-oo-three-uh' (it's shifted over the years).

It wasn't my primary handle on the internet though, I'm not quite sure why I used it for Bitcoin.  Had I known I would end up making BTC Guild, I probably would've picked one that wasn't feminine!
Amazing how our handles all get about. Mine came from a bunch of drunken band members saying "fetus" over and over (no idea why) and when I had to pick a handle I misspelled it in all my genius and ended up with faetos. Oh well. Smiley
Perhaps that helps explain why I used my real name on these forums rather than my regular IRC handle of "conman"... look around, there's enough competition for the real use of that title on bitcointalk...

1365  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: July 24, 2014, 09:12:55 PM
Here is a comparison on projected returns with network difficulty increasing 10% vs 20% after power costs assuming BTC US value remains at $600 per BTC.

Network Difficulty Increasing 10% @ $600 usd per BTC



Network Difficulty Increasing 20% @ $600 usd per BTC



Shared link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing

For those who wish to checkout your results.

Just copy and save the document to your google drive.
1366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Let the games begin on: July 24, 2014, 06:10:32 PM
One usually sees this when the price stagnates with insufficient buying support. Market participants see this and take advantage.

Markets are said to fall on their own weight, here is a good example of that.

Coinsetter.com is live in New York.
1367  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 24, 2014, 06:09:21 PM
Honestly, I'm not seeing what's so positive about this dump other than it didn't drop much.  We were in a small pennant that started rising since 6/30 @ $589.  And we broke down to $590, instead of up.  On zero FUD in the news this time.  

The good news is that it seems like a random dump, probably a troll trader trying to capitalize on the fictional 7/24 moon date that everyone just made up in their heads.  I guess the next time it's more serious we'll see if the $580 support holds, as well as the recent double bottom at $555.

Coinsetter in New York is up. Along with a new batch of hardware being sold for aug 2 shipping.

For those who may have missed it I updated the Hardware return vs buying bitcoin spreadsheet.



Here is the shared link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
1368  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 24, 2014, 05:24:02 PM
I have updated the projected hardware to btc return chard and spread sheet to include the aug sept and original prices of the sp30.



Shared link to document. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing

Thank you so much for this, how does a newb donate to you?

Pay it forward. Kids wife fam or your favorate animal shelter. 😊
1369  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: July 24, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
I have updated the projected hardware to btc return chard and spread sheet to include the aug sept and original prices of the sp30.



Shared link to document. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
1370  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: July 24, 2014, 03:44:05 PM
I have updated the info to the latest network difficulty.  I will be reducing the expected network difficulty in the future to 10% from the present 20%.



Here is the shared link to all the hardware tabs.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
1371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin license moves step closer with N.Y. bank draft on: July 18, 2014, 12:54:51 PM
This may be what US citizen's need to get involved in the universal bitcoin protocol.

However bitcoin network has far more use then only currency and value transactions.

We may see the technology be used as a larger scale platform. We may see that having 1BTC from a specific address used to permit one country GDP worth of transactions between country's. It may take a reward halving or two but it will be obvious when it happens.

One thing is for certain,  this technology will drive innovation forward for all participants.
1372  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [11000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers on: July 05, 2014, 10:53:57 PM
What about pay on orphans then, since they don't happen too often like you say, then paying on them might be favored among some users.

I used to pay for orphans.  Then I stopped paying for orphans and dropped the fee by 1%.  It makes no sense to pay for orphans when nobody else does, all it does is make your effective fee the same but your stated fee higher.
Just my 2c, but leave the fees the way they are now, pay for orphans and make BTCGuild stand out.

Since new coins, and very other idea is a nogo.

Wow, pay for orphans AND keep the fee the same.  That cuts the income *in half* for me, and considering every other pool that doesn't have a 15+ PH/s private farm attached to it is shrinking, it's not going to in any way make the pool get larger to make up for a roughly 50% cut in gross revenue.
Ok, so bump the fee to maybe 2.5% which is 0.5% below the original 3% and pay for orphans and still make the guild stand out but not as much... either way paying for orphans helps the guild stand out and maybe entices more to join and stay.

I'm not sure you realize the core problem here.  It doesn't matter how enticing the pool is.  Unless I spend more money than the pool has made in its lifetime to build up a giant warehouse of ASICs, it will not matter.  Public miners are becoming a smaller and smaller share of the network, and that is NEVER going to reverse now that the ASIC genie is out of the bottle and miners have thrown their money at them for first/2nd generation products.  Those companies are using the money that miners threw at them to build up private farms of their next generation products for pennies on the dollar compared to what miners would have to pay for the same hash rate.  They'll happily sell them to you as well, because for every unit they sell you, they can build 4 more with the profit from the sale.

There are two solutions that have been discussed by  those that can plan for future issues. I suspect both will be used to some extent before the next subsidy reward halving.
1373  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: June 30, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
I have updated the profitability calculator with the new numbers.

After the next 3 difficulty target's I expect network difficulty to be 10%. Then again if btc value goes up who knows.



This link below is for those who may wish to view the other tabs in the document and make a copy for their own use.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=docslist_api
1374  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 10:06:45 PM

No point.. Tongue
1375  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
http://guardian.co.uk.sundaytimesdaily.com/forum-members-create-bogus-topics/r/117289
1376  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 10:00:39 PM
If you enjoy reading.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514058712/d562329ds1a.htm
1377  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 09:53:15 PM

Company Overview

Company Name   WINKLEVOSS BITCOIN TRUST
Company Address   C/O MATH-BASED ASSET SERVICES LLC
1007 ORANGE STREET, SUITE 1463
WILMINGTON, DE 19801
Company Phone   302-472-9171
Company Website    --
CEO   Cameron Winklevoss
Employees    --
State of Inc   NY
Fiscal Year End   12/31
Status   Filed (7/1/2013)
Proposed Symbol    --
Exchange    --
Share Price   $20.09
Shares Offered   1,000,000
Offer Amount   $20,090,000.00
Total Expenses    --
Shares Over Alloted    --
Shareholder Shares Offered    --
Shares Outstanding    --
Lockup Period (days)   180
Lockup Expiration    --
Quiet Period Expiration    --
CIK   0001579346
Company Description

The Trust is expected from time to time to issue Baskets in exchange for
deposits of bitcoins and to distribute bitcoins in connection with redemptions
of Baskets. The investment objective of the Trust is for the Shares to reflect
the performance of the price of Bitcoins, as measured by the
 Winklevoss
IndexSM("WinkdexSM"), less the Trust's expenses. The Sponsor believes that, for
many investors, the Shares will represent a cost-effective and convenient means
to access exposure to bitcoins. The Shares represent units of fractional
undivided beneficial interest in and ownership of the Trust and are expected to
be traded under the ticker symbol "[    ]" on the [       ].

The Trust's Sponsor is Math-Based Asset Services, LLC. The Sponsor is a Delaware
limited liability company formed on May 9, 2013, and is wholly-owned by
Winklevoss Capital Management LLC. Under the Delaware Limited Liability Company
Act and the governing documents of the Sponsor, Winklevoss Capital Management
LLC, the sole member of the Sponsor, is not responsible for the debts,
obligations and liabilities of the Sponsor solely by reason of being the sole
member of the Sponsor. The Sponsor will be the exclusive licensee, within the
field of use of operation of an exchange traded fund, of certain patent-pending
intellectual property regarding the operation of the Trust and the Trust's
hardware and software security system ("Security System"). Winklevoss IP LLC is
the owner of and is licensing to the Sponsor such intellectual property.

The Sponsor will arrange for the creation of the Trust, the registration of the
Shares for their public offering in the United States and the listing of the
Shares on the [      ]. The Sponsor has agreed to assume the following
administrative and marketing expenses incurred by the Trust: the Trustee's
monthly fee and expenses reimbursable under the Trust Agreement, Exchange
listing fees, US Securities and Exchange Commission ("SEC") registration fees,
printing and mailing costs, audit fees, up to $[  ,000] per annum in marketing
expenses and up to $[100,000] per annum in legal expenses. The Sponsor will also
pay the costs of the Trust's organization and the initial sale of the Shares,
including the applicable SEC registration fees.

The Trustee is [TRUSTEE]. In its capacity as trustee of the Trust, the Trustee
is generally responsible for the day-to-day administration of the Trust. This
includes (1) transferring the Trust's bitcoins as needed to pay the remuneration
due to the Sponsor ("Sponsor's Fee") in bitcoins (such bitcoin transfers are
expected to occur approximately monthly in the ordinary course), (2) calculating
the NAV of the Trust and the NAV per Share, (3) receiving and processing orders
from Authorized Participants to create and redeem Baskets and coordinating the
processing of such orders with The Depository Trust Company ("DTC"),
(4) transferring the Trust's bitcoins as needed to pay any extraordinary Trust
expenses that are not assumed by the Sponsor and (5) selling the Trust's
remaining bitcoins at termination of the Trust and distributing the cash
proceeds to the owners of beneficial interests in the Shares ("Shareholders") of
record.

The Trust's custodian is [       ]. Although the Trust's bitcoins are not stored
in a physical sense, the Blockchain's transaction records assign a location for
each of the Trust's bitcoins to digital wallets established by the Trustee using
the Trust's proprietary Security System, which wallets digitally hold the
bitcoins and permit the Trust to move its bitcoins. Access to those digital
wallets, and the bitcoins they hold, is restricted through the public-private
key pair relating to each digital wallet. In its capacity as custodian, the
Trustee is responsible for the safekeeping of the Trust's private keys used to
access the digital wallets. The Trustee also facilitates the transfer of
bitcoins in and out of the Trust Custody Account through the bitcoin custody
accounts it will maintain for Authorized Participants and the Sponsor. The
Trustee will store all of the Trust's digital wallet private keys in US vaulting
premises on a segregated basis, and will deliver such private keys to the
Trustee's authorized administrative operations to permit access to the digital
wallets on an as-needed basis.
---

Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust
30 West 24th Street, 4th Floor,
New York, NY 10010
Our telephone number: (646) 751-4444.


Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/company/winklevoss-bitcoin-trust-909930-72927#ixzz35ydetOAG
1378  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 27, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
Slow and steady.

1379  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: I no longer work for Butterfly Labs (BFL) on: June 21, 2014, 06:31:45 AM
Do you have any proof that could substantiate any of the claims laid out, even a bit? A uniform badge with your forum ID for example?

That be wise.
1380  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANN: BITMAIN has Tested Its 28nm Bitcoin Mining Chip BM1382 on: June 19, 2014, 01:40:09 PM
A truly fantastic price would be 0.99 btc shipped, let's see if bitmain can do it

Updated the Difficultly vs Return chart.



Document with various hardware manufactures and estimated shutdown time.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing

Your spondoolies-tech prices are WAY off.  And the SP10 is no longer available.

Those are the entries for those who had purchaded the units back then.

It is a baseline for those operating them for there records.

Everyone is free to input their own numbers in to suit their specific prices.

This is just to show that at this time buying btc is a better option.

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