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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 24, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
This is bullish corrective form for the time being. It could produce a triple zz.





There's a chance of this, funny how it is a fractal of the entire downtrend that I described. Triple with flat, zz and triangle.



Updated



Fibonacci ratios are rarely exact, why should they be, but there are convincing averages especially in dow study that show on average ratios of correction are almost exactly in terms of the golden ratio.

In EW we observe the difference between deep and shallow corrections in terms of the golden ratio, 62% and 38%, because they are actually the perfect geometrical ratios to define the point where a correction is significantly deep or shallow, thats why the golden ratio is so special in many fields. its an indisputably fair ratio. 'Fairly' deep is precisely 62% in every respect, why would it be anything else? Its a strong observation that different species of waves have deep and shallow corrections, for example, primary waves are observed to correct on average to 62%.

This sounds interesting but i cant wrap my head around what you mean exactly. Can you maybe make a graphical example of how you would use the golden ratio with corrections?

Thanks!

In this situation I counted the correction of this primary wave as possibly complete but as a guideline I knew to expect a deep retrace to the 62%. it came true with impressive accuracy.
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - SWITCH TO BPI ON JULY 15 !!! on: July 24, 2015, 09:38:28 AM

BUY at $285.02


that all's quite funny Wink doing great, guys


Anatolio, they are all long and the price is going up!



(^^ funny face)

 
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: July 24, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
Okcoin have emergency funds coming out of their asses.... and unless they got hacked their futures service is zero sum this is part of the agreement.
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: How much do you think 1 Bitcoin will be worth in 2020? on: July 24, 2015, 08:42:00 AM
the binary outcome argument, I cant see a way around it. If bitcoin is useful and supported at any price, therefore real-world functional, I dont see how a landslide of liquidity will not be drawn to it, seeing as the functional ecosystem of bitcoin is too beautifully efficient and useful to ignore. 100k is easily achievable in principle.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 24, 2015, 08:04:37 AM
paragraph 1: Yes, yes and yes, on that basis EW can work, however not always, and that is what the current "wave within wave, within wave approach" that labels every spike and dip does wrong imho.
A better system simply should define the model more rigorously and if it doesn't fit don't predict any result. (Don't trade then or use something else)

paragraph 2: Yes, trends are one step behind of what EW does.

paragraph 3: No. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
Certain ratios, in particular in flower phyllotaxis are there because they are a mathematical necessity. They happen because hormone balances in the plant work in a certain way, and with that for the desired properties to be met the leaves and pistils must grow in a way that describes that geometric figure. The same can not be said for other cases.
Even more if the system is disturbed the same hormonal balances lead to a whole different pattern because the system continues with the same ruleset leading to a different outcome.
And once more there are a whole bunch of ratios which lead to phyllotaxis patterns which are all irrational and come from a generalization of the golden ratio formula.
In other cases these examples commonly perpetuated are simply wrong the nautilus shell for instance is not a golden spiral, it is a logarithmic spiral.

I see the obsession with golden ratios and Fibonacci numbers simply as superstition/numerology. For instance there are empirical relations between the model using the golden ratio sequence (but also other ratios) and the euler spiral with flower phyllotaxis. I've yet to see a scientific paper done with rigor outlining any such empirical relation when it comes to price charts.


Besides the whole golden ratio/Fibonacci stuff isn't even in EW theory itself, it's just applied because it is supposedly a "natural fit" (see above).

Fibonacci ratios are rarely exact, why should they be, but there are convincing averages especially in dow study that show on average ratios of correction are almost exactly in terms of the golden ratio.

In EW we observe the difference between deep and shallow corrections in terms of the golden ratio, 62% and 38%, because they are actually the perfect geometrical ratios to define the point where a correction is significantly deep or shallow, thats why the golden ratio is so special in many fields. its an indisputably fair ratio. 'Fairly' deep is precisely 62% in every respect, why would it be anything else? Its a strong observation that different species of waves have deep and shallow corrections, for example, primary waves are observed to correct on average to 62%.

But overall you are bullish Chessnut, right ?

Its quite a sensitive situation here but yeah I am bullish especially after a bit of bullish action here. Im going to buy back into dnaleors game when my 8hr is up.

166  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - SWITCH TO BPI ON JULY 15 !!! on: July 24, 2015, 01:36:31 AM
Sell @ $275.28

wait for meee  Cry
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 23, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
I think people misunderstand EW. Excuse me, i've just been absorbed in MBTI personality types in what i would characterize as a rabbit hole. I am quite possibly an  ENFP. This could partially explain why there are such differing opinions on it. Everyone is looking at it different.

Anyone who says it has no value (EW) is rightly entitled to their opinion, but, should also respect others as well. Maybe they see it and you dont. Which is fine anyways. We dont all have to see it the same way, or even agree. What is important is that it works for *some of us.

"(INTJ) you are not entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your informed opinion"  Grin

this sideways appears to be a triangle, supported by the bigger picture it should be wave y of iv. it will be interesting to see how it forms over the next 48 hours and we might get a clear long signal.

EDIT: If we break down through 1685 or so it would mean any hypothetical triangle is broken down and at that point we would have to re-evaluate the bigger picture.

168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 21, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
"Bearish" as in is refusing to participate in the circlejerk and making fun of it, yes.
Bearish as thinking the valuation will be going down, no.

That is certainly a new definition of bearish you have concocted.

Speak for yourself, bearish is concerned with valuation period.

you think price will go up ? it has been a while since i saw a bullish post from you. i think it was october 2013....

I think the valuation of Bitcoin is detached from it's fundamentals and it always has been that way. Nevertheless I still sometimes trade them and as such I am bullish at times, when I do that I just don't make a big deal about it because it's usually not that interesting.
I consider it gambling, more than anything else.

Do you have any guesses for how deep C might be *if indeed it plays out?

Sorry no, to be honest I don't trade on the basis of EW, but is it enough to say below wave 1 (32)? I'm mainly skeptical that EW can be used to do anything but describe past trends, just like what jstolfi did with his bubble on top of bubble matching chart.
Nevertheless I think curve fitting is an approach that has potential. It just should be something that doesn't allow for any random movement to be modeled so it retains predictive properties.  

The elliot wave theory and principle are largely based on the observation that market movement are based less on fundamentals than crowd psychology, the phenomena that most people draw more comfort believing in what others believe than believing more logical alternatives. This has rational and irrational impact on fundamentals that economists do not understand. however, price in a vacuum leaves only a few mechanisms to determine price action, and we find that the key emotions of fear and greed in a wave system (an equilibrium system) are irrational forces that always unfold in the same nature because of human psychology (which doesnt change). This way EW is more about how the market moves than predicting the future, and we realise that there may be multiple solutions to a real problem but they must be finite in context of robust logic.

EW analysis is not about trends, its about structure and key levels. Blind extrapolation implied in the term 'trend' is a fallacy in our analysis.

Simple harmonic ratios are found everywhere in nature, you cannot escape them they are necessary and robust and in concept they are perfectly defined. In this respect the EW theory cannot model random movement because truly random movement is not in simple harmonic terms (even so it may produce order in harmonic terms). The market is not random this is obvious and easy to prove, while it has weak sudo-random components. This is why the EW principle is composed of hard rules but also many guidelines because the market only presents confirmation of the principle in varying quality (but often good quality). maths provides us the principle where stats/evidence provides the theory. The theory is difficult to prove because it is a quantum system, scientists have battled providing evidence that an electron may be in two places at the same time for the same reason, but thats how it must be and thats how it is. Even so the theory put aside, the principle is enough for an effective trading strategy just as philosophers divide into camps of deontological and causational ethics, they are both valid and effective.

169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 20, 2015, 02:11:15 PM

what makes you think so ?

This is the same chain of logic as the larger count I have been tracking since 1500s. Locally, you easily identify that this is counter trend form, the larger degree being up.

170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 20, 2015, 12:53:54 PM
This is the same old plan in good form. looking to reach 2000 yuan again gradually this week.

171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 19, 2015, 08:28:43 AM
greek banks re-open the 2015-07-20 ... with 420 euros in cash per week only (84 euros per day in 5 day opened standard).

http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2015/07/18/les-prochains-grands-rendez-vous-dans-le-dossier-grec_4688755_3234.html

And International transfers still frozen.... who said the Greek situation was over? looks like the gates are opening for a bit of greece money to flow into bitcoin.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 17, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
I really doubt that. Price went up because bitcoiners believed in grexit. It dropped when a solution showed up and it will fall more since a solution is there now. I dont see it going up now.

Though im not a pro trade.

I believe that the price went up speculatively because of the grexit, not because people were preparing to use it in greece or even try but because people finally had an incentive to learn thoroughly about it and that was an opportunity for wide spread publicity in a new light. You cannot un-do the publicity that bitcoin achieved in that period of time and the effects of that are yet to fully unfold. It's been said that the deal is not a solution to the problem and smart people are realising that the grexit is for now only postponed. Do you think they will choose to buy bitcoin before or after their bank accounts are frozen?
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 17, 2015, 01:31:14 AM
Because of this local abc and the levels it has broken we have to assume that wave iii of the entire impulse topped at around 315 in a fudge of extensions caused by the violent wave iii in china. Despite losing track of my internal count it is following the count I published here very nicely. - https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCCNY/bpU7YQ6p-BTCCNY-EW-Analysis-Is-this-the-end-of-the-down-trend/

On the bright side of this disruption we are now closer to learning the likelihood that we have bottomed before the next cycle.



174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 13, 2015, 11:17:09 PM
If this guy is right again we are now going for upper 300's  Grin

I think we're retracing first to 280 or something but yea, chessnut has been amazing lately

Good call there podyx!! You hit that one right on the money!
Do you have any other predictions you'd like to share?

Yep, very good call.

I am cautiously looking for this. Wave 3 was difficult to read because of what happened in china, so in retrospect where I counted the last primary it was probably past the crux, rather being wave iii of 3.


175  Economy / Speculation / Re: I hate myself -_- on: July 13, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
no leverage?

Forget about it, throw away the password to your wallet. This is the Norwegian Method  Wink Cheesy
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 13, 2015, 08:47:16 AM
We are not in the second half yet.

Actually this is must be a species of wave iv (if the larger count holds) which is what I meant by assuming we are past half way, although I wasn't expecting this. If we are in wave a iv it means we past the crunch of the move. This is a very sharp move and a fairly big disruption by news which means we will need some time for the dust to settle before we can formally continue the count. Upper targets have dramatically become more realistic  Cheesy
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: July 12, 2015, 03:00:27 PM
Thanks for the kind words everyone

looking at BFX now as china is a bit distorted, this could be yet another 1-2. While wave 2 might not be done, it looks like we are about to see truly the largest portion of the uptrend unfold. Targets in china are around 2000 yuan. On Bfx, at a guesstimate, $320-330 is achievable in the coming 48 hours or so.



If this count was correct then the local count having about 5 degrees of nested 1-2s is absolutely ridiculously bullish. To be conservative Im going to assume we are past half way of the crunch, although with significant developments in the EZ tomorrow, who knows!

Ive said before that this rally would be relentless with shallow retracements for the second half because we have only had deep wave ii's up to this point. Forget about short scalps, running flats could .... run you flat.

178  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Randomising Brain Wallet - idea on: July 12, 2015, 01:58:20 PM
Hi guys,

Im a fan of storing bitcoin in a brain wallet, despite having learned my lesson rather brutally to make a ridiculously strong pass phrase. You can sleep at night knowing that weather your house gets flooded or burns down, or your computer gets hacked or stolen that your bitcoins will be safe. I like to make all my wallets brain wallets and import them into my MultiBit client.

So to make an extra secure passphrase I had an idea....

Take a reasonably good phrase, add some character, but it can be memorable. Generate your private key from that phrase. now take your public key and pass it through the SHA algorithm again. You can do this as many times as you like within reason, as you know you will inevitably find your address with this method if you try one at a time.


Im not sure how much security this method would add (apart from the number of times you rehash you public key) but my thinking is that for a computer to have to process the SHA algorithm for every brain wallet combination out there just a few times will drain plenty enough processing power to be impractical. I like this method because its so simple and easy to remember and you may use a memorable pass phrase within reason.

how much work would this add to the process of testing random brain wallets?

Thanks!




179  Economy / Speculation / Re: I really like how calm the forum is! on: July 12, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
Its relative peace and serenity. perma bears are less cocky without confirmation bias  Cheesy
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - SWITCH TO BPI ON JULY 15 !!! on: July 11, 2015, 05:05:27 AM
hummm if I sell I'll be probably top3 again, but not for long if the bulls decide to overrun the 300 barrier.

That moment when you don't know what to do


hehe its a game of chicken being in the top 6 right now. any winner will put you in the lead but you could be left a long way down the scoreboard if you get left behind.
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