It is in free fall now.
Did you exit that scam yourself our they kicked you out? Because as I remember, you were one of kind in promoting deeponion scam. Dev said he got kicked out for trying to make Multiple accounts and get extra coins. Now he seems to be obsessed with bringing it down. Funny how these "scam" things did not matter to him before when he was still part of airdrop. There's no point in having multiple accounts though? In the beginning there was. It was a total pool of coins divided by the number of accounts. It was not based on amount held. Some people cheated the system by making 5x the number of accounts and got 5x the airdrop. That's why the Devs were so slow to approve anyone into the airdrop and freezed entry for a bit. People were up in arms about it so they decided instead to remove limitations and base it on weight of coins held (similar to what Byteball has been doing for a year). Now people are up in arms about unequal distribution. Honestly there is no perfect way to do this. There will be a group that feels slighted either way. Multi accounts still sounds better than an outright ponzi scheme to me though. This system was used by Byteball for a long time before they paused their airdrop to focus on development. Byteball is definitely a very real and solid project and was the first Tangle to hit the market even before IOTA. The fact that they paused it is very telling, doing these airdrops take ALOT of time and resources. The DO team definitely didn't have the manpower early on to handle all this and they are trying different things to figure it out as they go. That doesn't mean it's a scam. Would it have been better if they just ICO'd and asked for the $$ upfront like 90% of the altcoins. If there sole purpose was just to spam, then they wouldn't have banned 100s of users for making low quality spam posts just to get more coins. I think with every low Marketcap coin there is heavy potential for founders to run away and for it to be a scam. I've seen this happen many many times from XBY, Bitbay, XEL, ZenCash Etc etc. Fact is only time will tell. It will always be the divide of people invested in it vs those that are not. It's the stance of innocent til proven guilty VS guilty until proven innocent. No it wasn't used by Byteball. Byteball paid out to holders of Bitcoin. DO pays out to holders of DO. You can't compare the two whatsoever. And if you look at most DO posts then yes, they are spam. They very rarely provide any thoughtful comments or any substantial information. You're extremely exceptional as far as DO members are concerned, and you clearly know your way around cryptos. But even you have grossly misrepresented the facts by comparing DO to Byteball. I didnt' misrepresent. They started out BTC for intial, then to BTC and BB. Then they changed airdrop to pay to all holders of Byteball b/c the BTC whales were able to accrue massive amounts and dumped regularly. Of course they had to payout to initial holders of BTC and then BB after. They can't payout to BB holders if it hasn't even been distributed. DO is the same they didn't initially payout to holders of DO, just people participating in the sig campaign. Also factor in that DO was was mineable as well. That still does not compare in any way to what DO is doing. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people holding Bitcoins. Meanwhile barely a few hundred people got some DO for doing a signature campaign. And only those can now stake their coins unless they buy more. That's literally the definition of a ponzi scheme. Will it be profitable? Probably, yes. But it's still a ponzi and you're trying to profit off of the next biggest moron. Yes you're right there are alot more BTC holders, but it's not like all BTC holders got ByteBall. In order to get you had to Download and link the ByteBall wallet. If you didn't then there was no way to retroactively claim them. The visibility of the Byteball ann is worst than the DO ann as they do almost zero advertising. I'm guessing only a few hundred people participated in the early airdrops at most comparable DO. There were a disportionate number of whales created. Iconomi claimed something like 10% of the initial Byteball airdrop and dumped it down heavy when it was at an all time high. Also don't forget DO is hybrid and that there are people mining. Post the distribution of byteball or fuck off you lier. Deep shits distribution was for a sig campaign and it was instamined by the bulgarian dev or his friends. Wouldnt wonder me if the deep shit dev made half of the newbie accounts for the sig campaign lol. Whoever puts money into deep shit must have shit in his head. |
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2 more hours AIEVE prediction : 15169.49$ Current price : 15203.60$  correctly predicted the bottom ~~13 500$ |
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Just updated the ANN with amazing images  Check it out  |
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Who won the day 1?
On 1st day nobody was in time to do some predictions. I won on 2nd day (2.66% of error) but I will be completely out for the 3rd one (except a miracle, who knows with Bitcoin)!  My prediction for Sunday 10 Dec is 15348.69$ @criptix: I think you missed my last prediction, I didn't see it in the spreadsheet. Next one Monday 11 Dec is 16282$ My bad, i didnt saw your prediction - but i added it now! |
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My predictions for Saturday 09 Dec. 2017 end of day are:
LTC: 128.27$
ETH: 457.49$
Dash: 702.64$
Hi jeremy, the time limit for saturday's prediction is already over (02:30 GMT+0). Do you by chance mean the prediction for sunday? Yes sorry it's was for Sunday, I already did predictions for Saturday  Yeah exactly, that is why i put that in for the Sunday prediction |
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That is an interesting project ... is it possible to training the machine learning model with supervised human data ? For instance, we could get data from something like UNU[1] and feed a Jupyter Notebook or something ... all open source [1]Artificial Swarm Intelligence vs Human Experts ( https://unu.ai/publications/ ) Hello Andre, Yes indeed this is possible. At the start AIΞVE does supervised learning and in the mid term she will able to do unsupervised learning. Users will be able to choose the mode. Feel free to visit our website https://peculium.io and dont forget to read our white paper for more information
I will update the spreadsheet in a bit but just from the first glace i think AIΞVE did really good in her prediction yesterday |
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No, I don't think some sort of annual membership fee is a good idea and doubt theymos would go for it. Yes, some people will happily pay the fee on a few accounts if they can afford it, but the point is it severely restricts the number of accounts people will make because nobody is going to pay $100 for each of their dozens to hundreds of accounts (and if they do then fair play and the forum benefits financially). At the moment anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and this is a huge problem especially when people try be sneaky and farm them with bots or just shitpost which is easy to do in certain sections.
make sense.. but I've been managing Signatures and specially ICO bounties. I now very well how much a Full member and above rank account can generate with his signature from bounties.. I my self paid 0.5 to 1 BTC worth of altcoins per members (some month before) for their signatures. That is if they participated in the signature campaign over the whole duration. If they get banned before they wont get money and lose i.e. 100$. At the same time mods will have to enforce the rules more strictly and giving out bans faster to shitposters. |
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Hey guys,
is there public information about that?
I know theymos auctions up to 9 adspaces for around 30-40k $ per month right?
There exist forum donations.
Something else?
Expenses would be webserver, cloudflare, mods and admins.
How much does this costs per month?
Does the forum make profit? Is it possible to get more paid mods/patrollers in the case theymos doesnt change anything about spammers?
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Bitmex is bitcoin settled. Im talking the upcoming CME/CBOE futures. If futures at CME/CBOE are traded at a premium, you buy bitcoin on the market at spotprice and short CME/CBOE futures. The difference minus fees is your arbitrage profit! With this you also dont run into a total loss --> if btc goes up, the btc you hold is worth more while the future worth less - if btc goes down, the btc you hold is worth less but the future contract worth more. There's a flaw in this somewhere. I cant quite explain it yet, but it has something to do with being stuck in two open trades, interest rates, bitcoin exchange risks, and there being an unlimited amount of bitcoin futures. And there's also no way to arb it on the opposite direction because you cant easily short bitcoin. Yes i agree to the systemic risks of your first paragraph - so everyone should be clear about them first. Like you said in an earlier post the futures markets supply is not linked directly to the bitcoin supply - it is linked to the bitcoin price and the amount of $ available to be put into futures. Arbitrage by going long on futures is difficult indeed, because you would need to short bitcoins - but that too is possible but connected with much bigger risks. |
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No, I don't think some sort of annual membership fee is a good idea and doubt theymos would go for it. Yes, some people will happily pay the fee on a few accounts if they can afford it, but the point is it severely restricts the number of accounts people will make because nobody is going to pay $100 for each of their dozens to hundreds of accounts (and if they do then fair play and the forum benefits financially). At the moment anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and this is a huge problem especially when people try be sneaky and farm them with bots or just shitpost which is easy to do in certain sections.
250$ is probaly nearly a months salary for the most 3rd world people here. Lets see how many 3rd people can keep on shitposting and pay 100$ per banned account. Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do. I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them. That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything. There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report. So props to Vod.
Your post was the #32 reply to this thread and the #14 reply by a PAID sig. Ad. user what is that like almost 37% replies by a PAID user? I guess that shows where the problem lies. What's your paid post count now? The campaign I'm in doesn't pay for posts in meta, you dumbass. I've been concerned about this problem for quite a while. I'm not part of the problem here--but my opinion is obviously quite biased. I've reported a lot of posts, and I don't get paid for that. Ignoramus. You have reported 457 posts with 96% accuracy And i stopped to report people beginning 2016 or so and started again two months ago since the shit show is hugely annoying by now  |
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How does btc futures arbitrage work, if a btc future is a limitless imaginary cash settled game that cant leave the account of the owner? Its like betting on horses. Im less bullish on this after learning how it works. The public isnt really getting exposure to bitcoin at all.
Its actually a way to keep all the traders OUT of the real bitcoin ecosystem, and dumping billions of imaginary bitcoins for them to hold instead, so we have less real market cap. bearish
This is on Bitmex which is bitcoin settled, CBOE and CME will be cash settled. The arb process is the same, only that in the end you will get $ instead of bitcoins (which is better for fiat people, because they gonna save a bit regarding fees). |
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Bitmex is bitcoin settled. Im talking the upcoming CME/CBOE futures. If futures at CME/CBOE are traded at a premium, you buy bitcoin on the market at spotprice and short CME/CBOE futures. The difference minus fees is your arbitrage profit! With this you also dont run into a total loss --> if btc goes up, the btc you hold is worth more while the future worth less - if btc goes down, the btc you hold is worth less but the future contract worth more. |
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How does btc futures arbitrage work, if a btc future is a limitless imaginary cash settled game that cant leave the account of the owner? Its like betting on horses. Im less bullish on this after learning how it works. The public isnt really getting exposure to bitcoin at all.
Its actually a way to keep all the traders OUT of the real bitcoin ecosystem, and dumping billions of imaginary bitcoins for them to hold instead, so we have less real market cap. bearish
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read the investopedia article and then go back to google and click pictures, then check 3 month bitcoin chart linear, enjoy, im out @ 15k http://oi68.tinypic.com/25r1fle.jpgSee you at 8500 on monday Charts and technical analysis don't incorporate the fact that Bitcoin futures will start trading today. We will soon see whether institutional money starts flowing in and whether short traders start becoming active. That will be the overall determinant of Bitcoins price. Not how some chart looked in the past. hmmmmm PRICE LIMITS AND TRADING HALTS
-Cboe will halt trading in its contract for 2 minutes if the best bid in the XBT futures contract closest to expiration is 10 percent or more above or below the daily settlement price of that contract on the prior business day.
Once trading resumes, if the best bid in the XBT futures contract closest to expiration is 20 percent or more above or below the daily settlement price of that contract on the prior business day, the futures will be halted for 5 minutes.
-CME will apply price limits, also known as circuit breakers, to its bitcoin futures of 7 percent, 13 percent, and 20 percent to the futures fixing price. Trading will not be allowed outside of the 20 percent price limit.
Sources: Cboe and CME https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bitcoin-futures-contracts-factbox/factbox-cboe-cme-to-launch-bitcoin-futures-contracts-idUSKBN1E10J8 |
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There was a man that he saw a future and he experience the future that time machine has began in 2030 but i didnt expect that the president he say is Donald Trump, what would you say about this?
machine time? about how back going time in buy and coinsbit cent 1 for?  ? PS: SELLING TIME MACHINES PLEASE PM FOR DETAILS - VERY CHEAP - HUGE DISCOUNT!!!! ORIGINAL MADE IN NIGERIA! QUALITY!!! |
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What happens in the end if AI wins everytime? There is a risk that the traders like you and me will loose interest in trading because the AI can't be beaten.
Then end the end, the AI might end up on its own on the market. So the AI will play against itself.
Do you understand what I mean?
This is a good thinking and we believe in the long term trading will be solely based on AI's because the necessary data volume is just to big for a human being to comprehend. In the short and mid term AI will help increasing profit margins for human traders until it is mature enough to manage whole portfolios alone. The financial markets like technology are very dynamic, thus we do not believe that there will be "one AI to rule them all", but more of a competition where companies will try to enhance the AI and increase the Big Data input to get better results. |
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good call lol |
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I feel so late to the party. Coins now are very expensive, like $5800 for Bitcoin and $345 for Ethereum... then $5 - $30 for other coins. I take a look at the blockchain explorers and see big holders of coins, for example some people have 1000+ bitcoin, a lot of people have 500,000+ ethereum. These people got the coins when they were 1 penny each, now I have to pay $500 for the same coin?
Why are the coins so expensive today? Can I go back in time and get them cheaper?
Even if I put in a lot of my money, I only get a fraction of what people were able to get 1 year ago. 1 year ago people got coins for 1 penny and stashed 100,000 coins for $1000, now I have to pay $1000 just for 1 coin?!? I feel so ripped off!
Also I knew about Bitcoin when it was $30, and I knew about Ethereum when it was $7! I was alive in these time periods and was looking online and reading about these things but it all flew by!
Am I too late to the party? Is it a good time to get buy today or should I find a way to time travel back in time?
My frustration is BIG.
Hey mate, I hope you bought my coins at 17.000+$, dont worry about the price. always hodl!!!! Thank you very much |
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Hey guys, sorry for posting the new prediction a bit late! AIΞVE's prediction:Sunday 10.12.2017:BTC 10.12.2017 23:59:59 Price: 15169,49 $ Good lucky everyone |
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