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1261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 10:45:29 PM
Because Bitcoin is digital gold

Let me get this straight.  You're telling people that centralized, valueless, imaginary tokens are better than gold and silver, yet in order to try and trick them into believing you, you're forced to use the word "gold" in your sentence and claim that bitcoin is "gold".  Talk about bad propaganda.

You're right, gold isn't even gold anymore, because the thing it used to be has been completely destroyed by Central Bank manipulation.

Bitcoin is a "digital commodity." Gold is just a shiny rock dug up from the ground.

There, fixed.

For all intents and purposes, gold and silver still work as perfectly fine as ever.  The term you're looking for is rehypothecation.  Lots of people who believe they're holding gold or silver hold none because the bank has rehypothecated them and given them worthless digital numbers instead, so the only people who hold any type of value are the ones who hold physical in their possession, while everyone else has been robbed by the bank.

Yeah, they give you a piece of paper and say yes we are holding your gold, and then you feel safe....WHY!!!!!

I buy a bitcoin, I can track it monitor it, etc etc etc on a trusted ledger

this is beautiful





Fudders will tell you that you are buying a chinese digital coin which in 10 years will be fully centralized and controlled by the chinese .gov.
1262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 10:37:17 PM
Well fuck me sold at 14.4 and now its 15.5

Why you do this to me BTC




And then i had to fight with fudders too.

INB4 emotional breakdown  Angry
1263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 07:58:30 PM
Great news update we just received on Slack, Peculium is now an official Google partner! Great announcement from the Team that working really hard behind the scenes!

 Does it mean that it will be acquired by Google sooner or later? Many people are talking that Peculium is the project to invest in but I would like to see it independent.

No..I don't think it will be acquired by google they might have just bought some percentage of shares from peculium, peculium won't disappoint  you if you invest in it...

No need to worry about Google, they are not evil

Peculium's longterm goal is a complete and fully decentralised platform with self gonvernance - where even AML AI and Big Data analytics will run on the blockchain - a true financial market 2.0  Wink

So there wont be a problem even if one company would buy majority of PCL tokens in existence!
1264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 07:46:34 PM
Guys, i just saw this on there telegram group by the CEO
Oukhai Rachid:
GOOGLE // PECULIUM : PARTNERSHIP ANNOUNCEMENT

Peculium has been approach by the Google’s Headquarters team in Hamburg earlier this month. After careful consideration and discussion, Peculium is thrilled to announce its new strategic partnership with Google.

Google provide us with a high touch account management service free of charge from digital and branding strategy to cloud computing capabilities.

Peculium team and Google experts will work side by side and shared their respective knowledge to build the future of Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain industry.



I can confirm this - sorry guys i was going to bed after the teaser  Grin

Basically why we didnt had a big announcement is that our website is under DDoS since 3.30 a.m. and we are trying to fix it.
Seems someone is really unhappy about us... Roll Eyes


This sounds amazing! But also it sounds a little too good to be true hehe.. it is clear what google brings to the table for peculium, but what does peculium give google in return with this parnership?

Peculium will provide google with blockchain and AIEVE data. Win Win situation Smiley

Okey cool! what kind of data? just what the AI accumilates and sorts? or also the data of people participating in the blockchain etc? shouldn't that be a disclaimer?

Personally i'm no privacy nut, but as far as i see these privacy coins mooning it is my understanding that alot of people here do care. Thats why i'm asking these questions Tongue

NO! We are not sharing any privacy data of our investors and clients - please read the privacy policy on our website which complies with EU regulations!

We will mainly share blockchain and financial data which AIEVE is processing - Google showed a lot of interest thus they reached out to us. Wink
1265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 06:26:44 PM
Guys, i just saw this on there telegram group by the CEO
Oukhai Rachid:
GOOGLE // PECULIUM : PARTNERSHIP ANNOUNCEMENT

Peculium has been approach by the Google’s Headquarters team in Hamburg earlier this month. After careful consideration and discussion, Peculium is thrilled to announce its new strategic partnership with Google.

Google provide us with a high touch account management service free of charge from digital and branding strategy to cloud computing capabilities.

Peculium team and Google experts will work side by side and shared their respective knowledge to build the future of Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain industry.



I can confirm this - sorry guys i was going to bed after the teaser  Grin

Basically why we didnt had a big announcement is that our website is under DDoS since 3.30 a.m. and we are trying to fix it.
Seems someone is really unhappy about us... Roll Eyes


This sounds amazing! But also it sounds a little too good to be true hehe.. it is clear what google brings to the table for peculium, but what does peculium give google in return with this parnership?

Peculium will provide google with blockchain and financial data from AIEVE. Win Win situation Smiley

/edit

Rephrased for better understanding.
1266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 06:14:48 PM
Guys, i just saw this on there telegram group by the CEO
Oukhai Rachid:
GOOGLE // PECULIUM : PARTNERSHIP ANNOUNCEMENT

Peculium has been approach by the Google’s Headquarters team in Hamburg earlier this month. After careful consideration and discussion, Peculium is thrilled to announce its new strategic partnership with Google.

Google provide us with a high touch account management service free of charge from digital and branding strategy to cloud computing capabilities.

Peculium team and Google experts will work side by side and shared their respective knowledge to build the future of Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain industry.



I can confirm this - sorry guys i was going to bed after the teaser  Grin

Basically why we didnt had a big announcement is that our website is under DDoS since 3.30 a.m. and we are trying to fix it.
Seems someone is really unhappy about us... Roll Eyes
1267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 10:07:31 AM
Look what i just found here while looking at our homepage...:



Link: https://i.imgur.com/IRxG5tD.png


 Wink Grin

Without some more info all these partnership logos are worth nothing. My company is a Lenovo Partner, all I had to do for that was to signup on a web page. If there were any huge announcement to be made I'm sure it would have been done, not just a logo added to the webpage.


There will be an announcement very soon  Wink

Zeppelin and TechRacers did our smart contract audit, Atarad is helping us with the ICO and Google... hm...?  Grin
1268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 🤖 Future of Trading - AI vs Humans the Prediction Challenge WIN 250.000 PCL 🤖 on: December 23, 2017, 08:32:57 AM
i followed the thread from first page and i can tell you for a fact that AIEVE prediction has been surprisingly true, well to an extent... but i want to know if there will be a mobile development of this project???

Yes this will be pretty sure one of the future developments Wink

I will also finish the results and post them in 2-3 hours Wink

Hope so !!!

I have to postpone it to later in the evening - sorry  Wink
1269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 08:29:52 AM
why you go up when i want to short you BTC


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1270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO LIVE]PECULIUM -First Saving System in Crypto Driven by AI - AIRDROP! on: December 23, 2017, 08:24:08 AM
Look what i just found here while looking at our homepage...:



Link: https://i.imgur.com/IRxG5tD.png


 Wink Grin
1271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 05:28:46 AM
It looks like it secretly might want to do one more to somewhere between $8K and $12K. There still wasn't enough volume.

I think you secretly want that to happen, not Bitcoin
Nope I spoke with Bitcoin and it definitely wants to be lower. It doesn't like this cherade of 'wall street' and winklevoss twins and feds and fiat - being another cog in the wheel. Government approval and stock markets were not in the whitepaper. It wants to go back to the underground and then come back up as honey badger.

JayJuanGee is posting so that's definitely going to cause it's value to decrease.


make a new vote please - i want to vote sub 10k
1272  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 05:22:51 AM
200+ coin sell on stamp. Some 3 million usd. Jesus.

want me to dump more?  Tongue
1273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: Partnership Bounty~1Mln € for big twitter accounts, publications,youtubers etc on: December 23, 2017, 05:16:00 AM
How do I contact you is the seo of this project.
I find it very potential. I will be more interested

Please send me a pm with all needed information! Smiley
1274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can You Feel the Panic? on: December 23, 2017, 05:13:46 AM
No panic yet - you gonna see panic when people who (took loans and) bought at 15-18+ k see BTC dropping below 10k!
1275  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 05:01:25 AM
Any particular reason why Arb bots are not buying BTC from finex and selling them on Bitstamp, Gdax and Gemini. Surely a spread of 5% plus that Finex had for quite some time would be worth it. I would think the arb bots would be bringing these markets closer together. What is Spoofy up to?  Huh

Bitfinex prices are not real USD but USDT, which is at this moment 2% over USD. That reduces 5% to 3% profit. Also Bitstamp doesn't do USDT. I think Gdax and Gemini neither.

That 3% is probably not worth arbitraging in a so volatile moment like this and Bitfinex adds too much third party risk over other exchanges (which also have some third party risk).

Lastly, you can only do that once if you have the funds already in both exchanges. After that, you need to transfer the funds, pay tx fee's, wait for only god knows how long until the exchange release the withdrawal and it gets enough confirmations on the receiving exchange.

So... in the end a theoretical 5% spread is not that much when all factors taken into consideration.

I thought the arb bots don't actually transfer coins via exchanges very often. I thought they have both assets on both exchanges and simply make the exchanges simultaneously on both exchanges. For example, I use my USDT on Bitfinex to buy BTC and at the exact same time sell some of my BTC on Bitstamp or Gdax. The only time that I would have to worry about transfers is if the supply of one of my assets is low. My understanding was that arb bots do not do"all in" trades, but many small trades, so the don't get stuck having to transfer assets too often.

That only works if the exchanges keep swapping sides.  Normally one is permanently higher than the other.

even if not - arbitrage means that you bring the price on several exchanges in a equilibrium --> in the process your fiat/btc amount will change on the exchanges thus you have to bring this into equilibrium too and withdraw fiat/btc.
1276  Economy / Speculation / Re: The christmas crash - who can pick the bottom on: December 23, 2017, 04:54:50 AM
na dont buy now sub 10 k next year - this fomo will land hard for sure.
1277  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2017, 04:52:36 AM
Gosh - waking up with -25% BTC was one of the best things this year so far  Roll Eyes
I blame all this shit on buttfinex and coinbase  Angry


I was really thinking of getting all BTC's out of my cold wallet... but then decided to just get 20% out and play with the market.

The question is now dead cat or no dead cat?
Do i believe the deep learning AI - her forecast is a dead cat high of 16,2 k and then dump to 13.2 k ugh?

1278  Economy / Speculation / Re: 🤖 Future of Trading - AI vs Humans the Prediction Challenge WIN 0.05 BTC 🤖 on: December 23, 2017, 04:15:47 AM
Hey everyone,
i finished the results and there are some real surprises and extremely awesome predictions  Shocked

Public Sheet to view all data.


First the winners of our prediction event:

Place 1: allahabadi with 3,32% average error

Place 2: JeremyB with 3,61% average error

Place 3: Cryptomania101 with 4,24% average error



Congratulations to the winners!!  Wink
Please send me your e-mail address so we can reach you guys for the prizes.  Smiley


AIΞVE v.01 (alpha) barely missed the winning places but was in average much better then the human participants.

This is the average error of AIΞVE vs humans:




1279  Economy / Reputation / Re: ATRIZ=LAUDA THE BIGGEST SCAM IN THE WORLD!!!! MORE SCAM THAN QUICKSELLER!!!!!!!! on: December 22, 2017, 09:18:01 PM
* Lauda slaps OP with a specially designed, for not-so-smart people, trout.



bitcoin whalepinguin looks for wifu

you interested lauda?  Grin
1280  Other / Meta / Re: Ideas for improving post quality? on: December 22, 2017, 08:49:24 PM
A couple of ideas that have been floating around in my head:
1. To attain ranks above Member, you'd have to earn some number of merit points. Merit points would be awarded in a monthly vote on best posts of the previous month, with various measures (TBD) to prevent gaming of the vote. Winning merit points might also come with a BTC prize.

2. Create or designate some sections as "serious discussion" sections, with no signatures. In those sections or maybe in different ones, also have poster restrictions such as Member rank or above only. And/or allow topic-creators to set these restrictions on their topics, similar to selfmod topics.

What do you think of these ideas, and what other ideas do people have?

I am actually happy that we are really having a discussion about this. But truth be told, even implementing the whole of the suggestions by people, will not solve all of our problems rather it would only mitigate it to a large extent and I would suggest that after the thread has gathered enough contributions, actions point should be sorted based on opinions that have been expressed then we can all vote on which line of actions because not everyone can be heard the same way not everyone can have something to say.

The issue of member rank before posting should be that people below certain ranks, should not be allowed to post outside certain section of the forum maybe beginners and help and the point to be garnered should be on completion of some tasks such as reading and understanding the forum rules, unwritten rules, what could interpret as untrustworthy actions etc.


no votings please - here a people that run around with hundreds of accounts  Roll Eyes
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