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1021  Other / Off-topic / Re: ACTUAL Butterfly Labs PCB pics! on: November 09, 2012, 06:36:01 PM
Question:

If you are paid in BTC (virtual funds), are any consumer protection laws even applicable for a cryptocurrency?

I know it is a question out of left field, and I am not implying anything, but we should start a thread to discuss what can be enforced if you use a cryptocurrency.

The payments to BFL in Bitcoins are automatically converted to USD through BitPay. BFL never sees a Bitcoin.

That said, the consumer protection laws would still apply since you're effectively paying in USD.
1022  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm, part 1 on: November 08, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
Quick update:

Congratulations to everyone for a successfully first week! We currently have 646 Notes outstanding, which is more than enough to purchase 4 Single SCs (maybe 5 if the BTC price keeps rising). But why go for the Singles when you can go for the Rig!  Cheesy
Let's keep it up everyone Smiley
1023  Other / Off-topic / Re: Random Gaming Thread on: November 08, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
I used to play a lot more when hanging out at a gaming club..and some good stuff like
Counter Strike, Half Life 2, Quake III, Unreal Tournament, Doom, Duke Nuken, Hellgate London, Diablo 2, Need for Speed Hot Pursuit / Underground / Most Wanted, hm and more can't seem to remember them all.

Oh the good 'ol days. I used to be a beast in CS:Source and TF2 back in the day. I remember when Hellgate London came out during my freshman year in college and we had a Dorm party for it, with all of us on the same server.

I've actually gotten back into the Half Life series of late. Played through Black Mesa Source, Half Life 2, and working through all the episodes now Wink ..damn I can't wait until HL:3
1024  Other / Off-topic / Re: am i the only bitcoin user that has never seen silk road? on: November 08, 2012, 12:31:02 AM
Reading about the Silk Road from a Wired article was actually how I first got into Bitcoin back in April / May 2011. I've been on the site a number of times out of curiosity, and never actually purchasing anything. I thought the concept was pretty cool, even though it the products were quite illegal.
1025  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2 U.S. States Legalize Adult Consumption of Cannabis on: November 08, 2012, 12:28:03 AM
This is grown from nature, too... a "little piece of god." I wouldn't recommend eating it.

Instead, focus on these naturally grown veggies Tongue
1026  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2 U.S. States Legalize Adult Consumption of Cannabis on: November 07, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
Has anyone studied the effects of secondhand marijuana smoke?

I think that's called "contact high" Wink
1027  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2 U.S. States Legalize Adult Consumption of Cannabis on: November 07, 2012, 06:12:25 PM
That's quite a big leap..and I'm sure there will be other states to follow suit shortly, like my home state of Vermont Tongue

Washington and Colorado now get to enjoy the extra tax revenue thanks to good 'ol Mary Jane (or at least eventually).
1028  Other / Off-topic / Re: Random Gaming Thread on: November 07, 2012, 06:09:57 PM
I am starting to play eve you try that game out?  Its very complicated but pretty cool idea so far, I know if I get in a fight however I will die immediately and the game is very unforgiving--you die then your stuffs are gone!

I have in the past, and it was very addicting. A friend of mine got me playing, and it helped the he had been in the game for years...he helped to get me some sweet ships and upgrades (and cash) right off the bat, which was cool.

Can't say I've played it since then. Allocating time for MMO games is virtually impossible when you have a full-time job after college haha..or at least for me Tongue
1029  Other / Off-topic / Re: Random Gaming Thread on: November 07, 2012, 02:07:17 AM
You can also get them free but you should probably run them on a windows xp computer, setting up dosbox yourself tends to make the game touchy and I've never really been happy with the results.  (I'm even fairly competent with dosbox, or I used to be...)

I actually create a Windows XP VM on my Windows 7 machine to run some of the older games I like..such as the original Red Alert '95 Wink
1030  Other / Off-topic / Re: ACTUAL Butterfly Labs PCB pics! on: November 07, 2012, 01:19:29 AM
Underestimating customer stupidity is a common mistake.

Bwahaha..sad, but very true!
1031  Other / Off-topic / Re: ACTUAL Butterfly Labs PCB pics! on: November 06, 2012, 10:52:27 PM
I can see why they say that heat will no longer be an issue for these.

There better not be a heat issue when they've got those sexy heatsinks on the boards Tongue
1032  Other / Off-topic / Re: Random Gaming Thread on: November 06, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Nice! I heard good things about XCOM but haven't really put much thought into getting it.

Borderlands 2, however, is something I've been wanting to get for a while. But, it'll have to hold since BLOPS 2 is coming out next week and I've had a preorder for that since June haha
1033  Other / Off-topic / Random Gaming Thread on: November 06, 2012, 09:56:52 PM
Sooo...

I play games from time to time. Recently Dishonored and Assassins Creed 3 come to mind. Any of you guys game out? Any specific games or consoles?

Oh, and I know Halo 4 just came out as well. I'm not much of a Halo kinda guy, but I've got a few of those Mountain Dew "Double XP" codes if anybody is into them...PM me and I'll send 'em your way.  Cheesy
1034  Economy / Securities / Re: [Cryptostocks] (DIVC) Dividend Crazy on: November 06, 2012, 04:28:24 PM
I hate to rain on people's parades, but unfortunately there's quite a number of problems with this.  Sad

First and foremost: Who are you?
You're profile indicates that you are a 220 year old New Yorker who signed up to BitcoinTalk 5 days ago and uses an anonymous email. You did some quick posts to get out of the Newbie section and then jumped straight to Securities.
To gather investors, I've found it's best to be transparent...
1) Who are you?
2) How old are you?
4) Where do you live?
5) Where did you go to school?
6) What did you study?
7) If you're currently employed, what do you do?
8') Have you ever invested before?
9) What brokerage(s) do you currently use?
10) What brought you to Bitcoins?


Feasibility
I purchase 4 shares for 1.0 BTC. That BTC goes through your account, through Mt. Gox, to your bank account, to your brokerage, and into stocks that pay dividends. Those quarterly (or annual) dividends go back into your brokerage account, you pay our taxes, the remainder goes into your bank account, then to Mt. Gox, then back to BTC, then to us again..minus all the fees of course.
Does this sound about correct?

Let's ignore the extreme trust issues you're going to encounter when convincing people about money going into your own personal account..and instead let's focus on the investing aspect.
1) What do you plan on investing in?
2) How do you plan on getting a 10% dividend return per year, especially with only a market cap of $10,000? Describe to us your portfolio and your risk management strategy.
3) How long do you plan on keeping the same stocks in the portfolio? Dividends on short term investments are taxed as ordinary income on federal and state levels. Qualified long term dividend investments, on the other hand, are taxed as capital gains. In some circumstances, if you're ordinary tax bracket is 10-15% then you pay 0% taxes on dividends.
4) As I see you've already noted, reinvesting dividends is an "all or nothing" sort of thing. Based on how you've described your plan so far, the idea should be to not reinvest and instead provide your investors with a profit.
5) What about stock price fluctuations? For any gains, do we (as investors in you) see a profit from that as well?
6) How do you plan to mitigate any losses?
7) How are you going to compensate for BTC/USD price fluctuations?
8') Have you been granted your Series 7 and 63 licenses through FINRA and/or are you a practicing CFA or CFP?
9) Do you currently own or work for a SEC regulated organization?

All these questions are really just the tip of the iceberg here.

Aside from the questionable legality pending answers to all the above questions, there's still an insane amount of risk here, which does not seem to be worth the reward of "10%". I'm not trying to harsh or anything, but I like to know what (and who) I'm investing in before I actually put my money somewhere...and I trust others do as well.  Smiley
1035  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm, part 1 on: November 05, 2012, 04:19:04 PM
[...] I tend to brute-force it in a spreadsheet, no fancy formulae or functions. just line-by-line simple calcs and adds, to help me understand it. 

That's usually the way I do things as well, like my original financial analysis which I perfected over weeks of messing with numbers and equations. My original ROI calculations, on the other hand, I did in my head while writing up my first post back in September and didn't even think to change them as things progressed. Ah well...

Anyway, I'm happy to help with any questions you may have regarding investing. I'm no expert, but I have had my head in the game for many years Smiley

1036  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm, part 1 on: November 04, 2012, 08:09:25 PM
Just a minor niggle - ignored it first time, as thought it was just a typo.

Outstanding shares/notes/bonds are the ones that have been sold, not the unsold ones.  You have 580 notes outstanding and 9400 Notes issued but not sold.

Indeed, it was a typo in the second one (changed it). I don't think I was even thinking about it the first time.

Anyway, corrections added.
1037  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm, part 1 on: November 04, 2012, 06:05:28 PM
You'll need more like myself since I own almost half of the shares outstanding.

Ah, I didn't know that was you! You may own 47% now, but that'll be dropping quite a bit as I finish putting in my own money mid-November Wink

And you're exactly right, we do need more people like you. I'm hoping issues with GLBSE get sorted out and wary individuals start investing again.
1038  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm, part 1 on: November 04, 2012, 04:21:01 PM
Glad to see you've implemented dividends. I look forward to the success of this fund and any other bitcoin related funds. I've invested a decent amount into your fund so I'm hoping for good things.

Thanks enygma! Always happy to meet and talk with investors Smiley

The cool part about Havelock is that I can schedule all interest payments ahead of time. Tomorrow, for example, there should be a notification (I think) that goes out to investors letting them know that the first interest payment is set for the 30th this month. If it works out properly, then I'll set up the schedule for the next few months to make sure things go smoothly.


And for more of a global update to everyone:
Congratulations everyone!  Smiley
We're currently sold over 580 Notes outstanding, with a little over 9400 Notes left before hitting the cap. I'd say the past 3 days have been quite successful! If this is any indication of how the Fund will proceed in the future, then I'd say we're right on track to reaching our capitalization goals to purchase a Mini Rig!

That said, I've just about finished working up the framework for the new Company Financials, which includes an analysis of the Fund (showing profitability, interest/principal payments, and how things will go for the next 14 months), as well as the company Income Statement, Balance Sheet, and Cash Flows...though admittedly those last three are a bit more interesting to work with when dealing in Bitcoins instead of Dollars  Cheesy
At this time, we can currently afford 4 Single SCs without a problem.

I'll post another update when I've uploaded the financials to my website and Google Docs.
1039  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: November 03, 2012, 02:51:11 PM
1040  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock][KCIM] Korb Investments – Establishing my Investment Firm on: November 03, 2012, 02:41:50 PM

[...]


@Niko -- I've usually found it best to just ignore SAC. He's just here to troll my thread  Cheesy

It actually works out in my favor as well since he keeps bumping my thread to the top of the Securities section Wink
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