hmm. and since then? even intrinsin replied to you before he gave up.
i dont see anyone else giving a rat's arse what happens here.






lol.
he made me do it!! he was on MY thread!!
good work.

and there you go again impugning my good person. shame on you.
my posts were neither troll nor showed evidence that i could not read. such a false dichotomy.






it's not a lie. neither are fully up to date with your swap process, or at least they were not when i posted that previously, you could have updated them since that post.. idk

but if you havent, please up date them.

edit. ok, you havent updated your ANN, which means you are obviously calling me a liar for something that is true? what does that make you?

edit. don't ever tell me i don't do anything for you. from yr ANN, you can work out yr own website. there's proably more on your ANN as well, but this is the simple obvious after spending 1 minute looking at it.


you could also update the list in post #4 too.

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you fucking what?
can you explain how you deny it in the first quote,
then present it as previous evidence in the second?


edit
hmm. i'm hoping you were just confused by my question. gosh i'm hope i'm not being too forgiving here, everytime i look at those two above quotes juxtaposed my mind collapses.
 - IS THIS ALL A TRICK ? ARE YOU PLAYING MIND GAMES WITH ME !!?!?!?!?

another alternative is that you cherrypicked that implied question for some strange personally subjective reason because it fit your narrative of this ongoing discussion.

to be more clear

Where did Intrinsin get these figures from if not btcpool?

cool. well i am a trustworthy dev.
(the only trust issues anyone has accused me of has been those you created with no basis )

so my new shitcoin will have 99% premine, and i will be investing real money heavily into this.
you can trust me, because whilst the process will not be clear where the money actually comes from or goes to.
the new blockchain will show me with mad coinz.
therefore you can trust me




no.
that's because you have the advantage. no-one else.

just because you keep saying there is none, does not change the fact.
just because you feel you're not taking advantage does not change the fact.
you maybe 100% legit and doing this with the purest intentions and divine guidance, doesn't change the fact.

what i keep getting from you, is that because you're not being dodgy, therefore there is no possible perception of dodgyness.

what i continue to say, is that there is an easily perceived possible dodgyness in the process.

short story : or what seems to be happening in this discussion

bumbacoin : hey i saw a magican sawing a woman in half.
runpaint : no it's not possible that you thought you saw it, because he didnt, and the objective truth makes subjective perspective impossible
bumbacoin : it truly looked like a magician sawing a woman in half.
runpaint : no it's not possible that you thought you saw it, because he didnt, and the objective truth makes subjective perspective impossible
bumbacoin : but that's the whole point of illusion
runpaint : no it's not possible that you thought you saw it, because he didnt, and the objective truth makes subjective perspective impossible
bumbacoin : haha, i enjoyed watching it and i'm going again tomorrow
runpaint: good luck with that. you must be a bit dim to have a subjective perspective. meanwhile, i really enjoy chocolate ice-cream, would you like some?
bumbacoin : no, i;ll have vanilla
runpaint : that's not possible, i like chocolate ice cream.
bumbacoin : i like vanilla ice cream
runpaint : that's not possible, i like chocolate ice cream.
.....
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..
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i'm sorry, i've added in bold how the statment should have been worded. (see that, that's how you admit mistakes)

you'll need to give those particular answers.
they could be very enlightening, especially your second comment.
if you answered truthfully





sometimes i wonder if you're being deliberately obtuse.
i figure you just go through cherrypicking phrases then taking them out of context and acting all surprised.





i'm not trying to be rude. but this seems to be a big flag as to your naivety.

noob1: hi, i'm going to invest in a coin where the coin devs hold the vast majority of that coin
cynicaltrader1: you should be concerned that the devs will dump their vast holdings without warning
noob1: oh, but i read the ANN and the devs say they're honest, it looks like a good coin
troll1: fancy that, a self-proclaimed honest dev. i'd go all in if i were you
cynicaltrader1: i wouldn't go near that coin. but i might keep an eye on their pre-pump plans





honestly. good luck





yes, you can't lose such honest advantage.

and not at the same time. that was explained earlier
first , high to benefit yourself with shitcoins you hold
then once you're out
second, low to benefit your current holdings in Barr by reducing Barr inflation.





and your Barr holdings are not diluted as much. win for you.






ACP was trading at 60 sats,
you swapped at 600 sats,
whether you like it or not, you artifically created that value, the process created artificial value.

and your statement is simplistic,
no crypto=currency creates artificial value, that'd be impossible, people who trade those coins create the artificial value.





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it might be advantageous to have the Barr_official user sign at the end of the post, so it's easy to differentiate between who's typing
 - bumba

perhaps you can explain first why you believe he didn't?
please prove where these figures came from.
you can go first seeing as how you've been making this claim for the longest, then i will


have a look at the blockchain now, tkexplorer (or whatever it's called) is back to a different figure again.

the problem is you,
because you never appreciated anything else they have said (being fixated on your own belief)
and you have alienated them to the extent they don't give a fig what you keep saying,

so it's just down to us trolls now.
no-one else seems to care



as opposed to apologising and admitting mistakes. lol
you've insinuated mad integrity issues against me. what happened to those? because i can take those as threats i am obviously required to continue this discussion because otherwise according to some made up theories of online discussions, you're a terrorist and cannot be allowed to win.


please. i mentioned that your ann and website are not up to date some time ago.
you havent' updated them.
thank you.

sorry, my mining rig (read low end gaming system ) is being a pain for last week or so.
i havent actually mined anything in ages, so upgraded drivers, and voila. crashing woot

i was impressed in the other thread how you manage to actually have a serious conversation with only minor levels of troll,
in light of this, i will tell you one last time what seems patently obvious.

1. intrinsin reported figures given to him from btcpool
2. the blockchain was fucked up, and quite plausibly this has something to do with btcpools misreporting of figures.
 - although tbh i would assume thad their record keeping should be better than that, but i have no idea of how they got that figure.
3. the figures are obviously wrong and no-one cares to communicate with you.
4. yes intrinsin should update the figures.

at this point it's number 3. that you should look at closely
how long have you been a dev? and how many "fights" have you gotten into?

neither btcpool nor intrinsin cares to communicate with you. you. you. you.
you can troll the same question again and again and it won't make them more likely to care.

i know intrinsin had his moment of being a dick too, but you're much better at it and he gave up first. lol

if you really want answers you'd probably have more luck asking without being such a troll.



edit.
well done for pointing it out in the first place,
i hope you're giving me full credit for pointing out how your ANN and site were not up to date .. have you fixed them yet?

edit edit.
well you've updated to a point, but not fully. i hope you don't expect me to keep nagging you do you?

would you invest in an alt where the dev /dev team own a vast majority of coins?
also, in this case, where it seems that the swap protocol is advantaging that team.

the seeming advantage is NOT just because you're investing real money, but because the process uses what results in a pre-pump to attain a new value and hence a more advantageous swap value.

ie if you buy at 20, pump, then swap at 50, your pump gives you an advantage swap value than if you swapped at 20.
then if you personally held a large quantity of those coins, the improved swap ratio is very appreciable.

this is what it looked like with ACP, where you bought quantities of coin before it was officially announced, and below the final swap ratio.

this is what it can look like no matter how you argue real money nor motivations.

you say, the barr team owns most of the addresses, but they are not obviously obvious. if you want a long term coin, it is advantageous to build trust by revealing them.
yes you can follow every transaction, but block chains do not lend themselves to easy analysis. once you have multiple hundreds of transactions of Barr that task will be more tedious than it is now with ony 125 transactions.

most investors are cynical. either looking at a short term pump, or judging motivations and behaviours behind the coin etc.


have you considered the problem of the coin team owning so many coins, and do you have a plan to spread the distribution ratios?
this question was slightly mangled in it's prior form as number 3. :p

a strong appearing coin is one thing, but if it's foundations are weak then the likelihood is that it will not succeed.


you seem to misunderstand the swap ratio issue, to an extent i've hopefully expanded more above.

but the other point, is that according to your plan, there will be less Barr distributed for later coin swaps. - resulting in a lower swap ratio
this also corresponds with coins that you will personally own less of as you are now apparently out of bags. - quite possibly resulting in a lower swap count, and cynically can be seen as a reason not to pump a coin so high.
and also you seem to imply that future pumps will not be anywhere near exciting as you will not be investing btc in the same manner. - resulting in a lower swap ratio


this will result in you receiving a far better swap ratio for the coins that you personally ownedand have swapped, than future others will for coins they own.

whether this system is deliberately planned to advantage you or not, you have a strong advantage by burning your personal coins first.
it is not the swap itself, it is the manipulation of market price and setting of ratio's that create that advantage.


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you continue to trumpet monetary values, and how strong Barr will be. yet you claim zero profit.
that is entirely true, until you decide to sell all the coins, that from a cynical perspective, you have artificially created a market price for whilst advantaging yourself to get those coins.


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i am coming to these questions/viewpoints from a cynical perspective.
through your answers i get a lesser cynical view. you seem to be usefully attempting to add value. but to what end i do not hazard to guess.

obviously the methodology in any system can be questioned.
at this point, i would like to strongly point out that it is incredibly easy to look cynically at Barr and that any work you do towards making it less cynical will be to your advantage.

lol. you're still a troll though

lol. i appreciate this point.

thanks for answering .
i'll read it and post later.

you know that the real burn amount was the amount on the explorer, and that the figure you continute to quote is an old incorrect value.
you know that the questions you keep asking are also pure troll and not relevant.

if you dont' bother moving on with more recent information no-one is going to answer your repetitive trolling.

from what i've seen, he seems nice enough as long as you remember to wish him luck and respect Barr above all other shitcoin swapping protocols.

on the surface Barr seems a good idea.

i'm just looking forward to him addressing the 'questionable and suspicious' behaviour that has resulted in him owning 61% of the Barr, using protocols that very obviously create the very 'advantage' he doesn't see existing.

lol. seeing as how you can't quite seem to see the problems raised here.
here's some questions.

1. which NXT accounts holding Barr/Offs do you or other team members own?

2. given you seem to own 61%, what do you consider as the real value of Barr?

3. do you have a plan to create a more economically palatable model of distribution? the current distribution does not inspire confidence in the real value of Barr.

4. what other coins on your proposed swap list do you or other team members baghold? if you're doing this for truly altruistic motives, your behaviour so far seems self centered.

5. what is your purpose in pumping the alts prior to swap? it seems that artificially pumping the market value of alts that you personally hold, does a lot to improve your personal future Barr holdings by improving the swap ratio.

6. do you still see that being the dev of Barr, choosing the coin swaps gives you no advantage? choosing all the coins, defining the swap protocols.

7. how do you measure your swap process and come to this conclusion of no profit? you seem to enjoy the fact that you're making shitcoins and Barr stronger through these swaps.

8. is Barr_official used by a different person? it seems confusing going through the history of postings and does not do much to add clarity to your threads/discussions.



i'm mirroring these questions here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1352963.msg13809116#msg13809116

this has been discussed above,
please rephrase your question and use prior information that you are aware of.

ie stop trolling the same ignorant question when there is obvious information in the thread you're deliberately ignoring.

lol. seeing as how you can't quite seem to see the problems raised here.
here's some questions.

1. which NXT accounts holding Barr/Offs do you or other team members own?

2. given you seem to own 61%, what do you consider as the real value of Barr?

3. do you have a plan to create a more economically palatable model of distribution? the current distribution does not inspire confidence in the real value of Barr.

4. what other coins on your proposed swap list do you or other team members baghold? if you're doing this for truly altruistic motives, your behaviour so far seems self centered.

5. what is your purpose in pumping the alts prior to swap? it seems that artificially pumping the market value of alts that you personally hold, does a lot to improve your personal future Barr holdings by improving the swap ratio.

6. do you still see that being the dev of Barr, choosing the coin swaps gives you no advantage? choosing all the coins, defining the swap protocols.

7. how do you measure your swap process and come to this conclusion of no profit? you seem to enjoy the fact that you're making shitcoins and Barr stronger through these swaps.

8. is Barr_official used by a different person? it seems confusing going through the history of postings and does not do much to add clarity to your threads/discussions.



i've mirrored these questions here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1346345.msg13809297#msg13809297

lol. out of a great long post about Find coin, you cherry pick one paragraph. good job.
although here in this thread, talking about you is talking about findcoins.

do you ever wonder why troll so hard?

do you even notice that you totally gloss over that you were obsessing and indulging in personal attacks over what seemed so important 4 posts ago because the answer is so obvious?

If you're really here to talk about Find coins, then come along.. talk about Find coins please.

you mean questionable or suspicious like the information i posted above?
that you can mention that really impresses me no end,
either you didnt read the above,
or
you see nothing questionable in your actions
or
you won't discuss it.

all of those options seem equally likely .lol




is it likely list the the list of future BARR swap coins will coincide with  runpaints chat history, and reflect what coins he has been involved in?

simple. you're banned from DGCS thread for the same thing you accuse me of.
the others are closed.


seeing as how you love talking about Proof of Burn,
maybe you can comment on how it seems you quite obviously own at least ~61% of distributed BARR through three different accounts,
how most of the list of coins burnt seem to correlate with websites you made/registered prior to the BARR ann?
how the voting address only shows votes from you, no-one else has voted for a coin.

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i dont want to fill this thread with BARR discussion.

seems there is also this account,

https://www.mynxt.info/account/NXT-79M8-QC5D-3E8F-HM5T5

but i dont understand what happened to the BARR,
seemingly sent to a "genesis account"
i dont NEXT enough to understand this transaction.

https://www.mynxt.info/transaction/8085281679085489978


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oooo and this transaction too, which seems notable.

https://www.mynxt.info/transaction/9208393599727735292

Frac burned, BARR sent direct to marketfund, which as i understand it, is there for whatever the Dev feels necessary.

haha just like you're banned from the DGCS thread.
good job.