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questions that seem important
1. there are a bunch of people involved in the coin, is frazazel the particular person who received the wallet.dat and dumped the coins? does he have access to anything else that might be a temptation?
- it seems important to know who it was, and whether other people were involved
2. who has information pertaining to the swap process that maybe helpful to get a better overview of what still needs to happen?
- the post c-cex/yobit exchange process still needs to happen
3. who is in communication with yobit?
- it seems that it might be useful for yobit to burn the coins they hold
4. who has control over the unswapped DRZv3? how many are there? where are they?
- fairly obvious question
5. does anyone have a copy of win wallet as the OP link is dead?
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other things that seem useful to move Droidz forward.
- if frazazel is gone we need yet another new thread :p
- a new explorer for v3
oh.
and need a process for the further swap, obvious steps to consider are how many Dv2 are still in the wild vs how Dv3 are still available, a good overview of that will help to see how tenable the current situation is.
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oh i forgot about superblocks :p hehe i should check my wallet  -- edit  no super blocks for me lol that stake test is a cool idea  |
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so is Spots ready to claim #1 yet ? who else would have access to so many coins so early on ? unless you were scammed by killerjoegreece of course, which is another good answer. edit. and for more amusement, the first deposit of those six transactions came at 27 Oct 2015 06:34:54 meanwhile here in the thread at October 27, 2015, 06:25:17 AM Caught up on all the sig campaign participants. Thanks everyone, approaching 60!
. note to presstab, please add to your explorer more information on block pages as to amount of coins transacted (to prevent the need to go into individual transactions to find out) also add a previous block and next block link. |
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Spots , whats your next move on this coin ? I'm really curious to see if your actually going to let it die or try and keep it alive . Alot of people like it or did , so whats your next move on it ? You going to drop the 2000% staking , and do something else perhaps to make it more interesting than it already was ?
he does apparently have batch 3 of stake sticks ready for distribution. so it will keep rolling along for a while yet  hopefully stake reward will be dropped, then early investors will have been rewarded, and the coin itself will not suffer so gratuitously from hyperinflation as to the other aspects who knows.. |
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It is clear Fallout is no longer the anti-scam heroine he alluded to be, guiding the people against scam no he simply has a vengeance boner for the dev and will do anything to attack him, in hopes of derailing his coin
if you sold at a low price you just helped out the community, price will be back by end of week
For the record, Fallout and his buddies were the ones using exploited BUCKS wallets and blaming meThat's what this whole thing is about, just ignore them and it's a much better experience. I don't even read what they post anymore for the record, here's a thread post containing c-cex chat history where spots says that BUCKS was fixed AND the wallet was safe [2015-07-22 06:07:47] iGotSpots: @Crestington, that vulnerability was closed in bucks, but since they found it i assume its usable in other coins such as crave
[2015-07-22 06:08:02] iGotSpots: i did not know about it until they posted it though and it is a big deal, but its fixed for bucks now
[2015-07-22 06:08:40] iGotSpots: it did not require a new client for the fix, either
[2015-07-22 06:08:51] Crestington: @iGotSpots, what was the exact vulnerability?
[2015-07-22 06:09:23] iGotSpots: like im going to say that in a chatbox lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1125120.msg12129930#msg12129930this is really my only problem with spots, he manipulates words to his own benefit. i dont think that makes him a scammer per se. most of the time he doesnt even lie just doesnt say anything directly, but he does occasionally ... |
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January 2015 Burn Details.
DATES: NOW until JAN/30/2015
You will be able to burn this coin during the dates shown above and receive Digital Credits in exchange at a set rate. This rate was determined on NOV/29/2015 at 8pm EST time. The exchange rate will not change during the burn. You have until the 30th of December to exchange the target coin for Digital Credits at our Exchange Partner site. Please note that Spacecoin is both Proof of Work and Proof of Stake. This will allow you to mine and stake the coin until the 29th of December and then burn everything on the 30th. the op could be updated a little it's next year already .. and might be useful to mention burning FIND specifically with specific dates etc. |
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Dont be fooled by the usual Spots trick of rich list shenanigans and sock puppet accounts.
He always does this. Keeps a few big wallets up top and claims they are all that matter. Meanwhile he slowly dumps from his multiple wallets below. Been there done that.
If he sells a single days stake from the top wallet alone, the whole market goes to zero. This situation gets much worse every day for all those hoping it lasts. This is a fact.
Put your faith in Spots, his coins always survive.
I know the market volume is no where big enough to absorb a large dump from a top wallet. But alright I see your saying that the dev holds numerous wallets on the rich list and not just like the first one and hes dumping from the lesser wallet to avoid a panic. Entirely untrue. Why would I put so many in one wallet then..? Come on, I'm good at this shit, if I wanted to hide it, I would have 123090328 addresses with random amounts Claim your addresses on the explorer. Let's shut down yet another factless argument. Unless then I will be accused of that, as well (obviously I will be) this is how spots avoids the true scam status. has he specifically denied owning #1 or is he just great at weaseling? politics is missing him .. |
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Entirely untrue. Why would I put so many in one wallet then..? Come on, I'm good at this shit, if I wanted to hide it, I would have 123090328 addresses with random amounts
Yes yes yes, just like the call that DigiCube was actually you in hiding was 'entirely untrue', and just what shit are you claiming to be good at Spots? I've been right about every call on this and you so far, you only know one way to scam. Its like reading a kids book. it's not really a scam lol perhaps fraud would be a more appropriate description of what you describe? this whole stupid crypto argument about what is and isnt a scam is just fucking annoying. |
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Dont be fooled by the usual Spots trick of rich list shenanigans and sock puppet accounts.
He always does this. Keeps a few big wallets up top and claims they are all that matter. Meanwhile he slowly dumps from his multiple wallets below. Been there done that.
If he sells a single days stake from the top wallet alone, the whole market goes to zero. This situation gets much worse every day for all those hoping it lasts. This is a fact.
Put your faith in Spots, his coins always survive.
I know the market volume is no where big enough to absorb a large dump from a top wallet. But alright I see your saying that the dev holds numerous wallets on the rich list and not just like the first one and hes dumping from the lesser wallet to avoid a panic. Entirely untrue. Why would I put so many in one wallet then..? Come on, I'm good at this shit, if I wanted to hide it, I would have 123090328 addresses with random amounts obviously not to hide it . if it was yours you could leave it untouched deliberately and point to it's sanctity as some sort of proof of awesomeness. as he says, dumps from the wallet below. it is reasonable discussion point to make |
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If someone wants to start a legal action, we are happy to comply with any court order or subpoena, but we will not just share private information because someone asked. It is against ours and almost every companies policy to do so. It is completely unethical to share any PII and would lead to all kinds of liability. Please do your research before making factually incorrect statements.
richie@bittrex
now this is another grey area :p crypto fraud and legal action ?? |
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yes, maybe. but our timezones are different.. my timezone, for example dictates me to go to sleep urgently Related to ethics, you seem to know more about that unsteady matter... I am coming from exact science world, and my version of ethics seem to be appropriate to my education - more clearly defined, than the one from philosophers or other people who like to unnecessarily complicate things  lol exactly. there is much to be said about the decline of free thought in the western world in correlation to the incline of scientific thought |
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i suggested to greedy john that we set up a group chat somewhere else,
perhaps a spokesperson needs to be organised etc
this is not a particularly good forum for organising a move forward, but it is good to propose ideas etc.
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bittrex donnot seem the sort of people to publically release such data.
i edited my previous post to wonder who they would actually release the data to?
ethics are not so simple nor black/white :p and nor is criminal complicity necessarily unethical
i agree it would be advantageous for them to release it, but not necessarily ethical . lol
ther'es a reason why philosophy is out of favour for logic and science, and it's because it's just too hard to fathom.
simple logical conclusions are much more popular than actually having to think
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I am still happy that the offenders BITTREX account was FROZEN What makes you happy?.. The offenders account might be frozen, however by some reason Bittrex hides the information about that account! I asked for an email of the account of this thief, and any other identification information of that account, however that question was silently ignored by Bittrex. This makes me suspect Bittrex has something to do with this. I always considered Bittrex to be one of the most honest businesses in Crypto, however their non-willingness to reveal the information of the scammer account makes me wonder about the reasons..  Just suspend the account is not enough, we need the details of the account, to find out who is the scammer. you want them to share user info with you just because? this is obviously a grey area. ethics are useful things to have. vigilante justice is not always a good thing. there is still a lot of info to come out, we have yet to hear from c-cex and yobit. patience is a useful skill .. a better question to ask bittrex might be to wonder who they would share the pertinent info with? |
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and of course it would be good to get an answer from c-cex how their swapped coins made it to bittrex for dumping.
also yobit burning their coins too would be good.
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the obvious problem with the swap at this point, is that the amount on bittrex is 1.3 million higher than what it should be. someone bought all those coins and would now like to swap them please. if the Dv3 coins are still available for swap and not stoled by whomever dumped D2, then maybe there needs to be a lower ratio for swapping :p this is the obvious simple way to move forward with existing chain. although with the masternodes not working, there does need to be a hard fork so it's potential that another 1.3 million (or whatever) are mined/created. neither solution seem happy  but at the same there is also the fact that 100% swap will be unlikely to happen. not everyone will be paying attention (from the whole process) and there will be coins on wallets somewhere else that people will be ignoring too. .. perhaps the way could be to set up an auto process to swap versions at lower ratio, then at end of period, all remaining coins to be divided among those receiving the lower ratio. to further create trust, then either sending old droidz direct to burn addresses so they are immediately gone, or stopping the chain and using a static distro list (assuming then that bittrex coins are out of the entire process at that point). this page to create burn addresses seems to imply that it should be easy to create a few hundred unique burn addresses http://gobittest.appspot.com/ProofOfBurn |
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I only have 1 drz at yobit though, i dont know if this is old drz or new drz. How do i tell? Are all the old drz in an address held by yobit admins or by individuals?
yobit and c-cex are on the new chain. bittrex old. |
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I see there is some confusion... I am also not sure, but here is what I think has happened:
1. About 3.5M coins were swapped by C-cex and yobit. People got their new DRZ, so old DRZ coins should have been burned (sent to some approved Burn address). However unfortunately this never happened. Yobit coins are still sitting at old Yobit addresses, and hopefully they still can be burned soon. With C-Cex coins the situation is worse - instead of being burned, they somehow were sent out from C-cex wallet to Bittrex wallet address, and were sold to people. As a result the available supply of old DRZ is now (1.5M + 2M) instead of just 1.5M. This means the old coins should either be dropped, or swapped at at a decreased rate, or alternatively, the supply of new DRZ should be increased to swap all those coins.
2. The new DRZ is more or less safe, however the Dev disappeared, and he still has about 1.5M unswapped new coins! We need to understand who was the one dumping the coins at Bittrex, that's why I was asking Richie to help us identify the thief (no answer from him btw)... Was it someone from C-cex, or it was someone from Dev team, or the c-cex wallet was stolen from c-cex or dev by some hacker (trojan maybe?)..? If it was not the Dev himself, this project could continue with new DRZ somehow. If it was him, hen we still have risk of new coins being dumped too...
curiously they look like they were sent directly from c-cex wallet to bittrex. here is an example transaction, https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drz/block.dws?245616.htm |
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