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841  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 12, 2020, 04:06:59 AM
Who sold them 21,454 bitcoins?

... cleaning out the back of the sofa on the weekend ...
842  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 12, 2020, 04:02:48 AM
Biden is a dead/zombie man walking ... USA needs to get it's head around having a black female probably corrupt lawyer as President in the next 4 years.
843  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 12, 2020, 03:59:29 AM
SARS-CoV-2 AIRBORNE virus ... confirmed.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12355909

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Sceptics of the notion that the coronavirus spreads through the air — including many expert advisers to the World Health Organisation — have held out for one missing piece of evidence: proof that floating respiratory droplets called aerosols contain live virus and not just fragments of genetic material.

Now a team of virologists and aerosol scientists has produced exactly that: confirmation of infectious virus in the air.

"This is what people have been clamouring for," said Linsey Marr, an expert in airborne spread of viruses who was not involved in the work. "It's unambiguous evidence that there is infectious virus in aerosols.

... Lednicky has received emails and phone calls from researchers worldwide asking about that finding. He said he would check his numbers again to be sure.

But ultimately, he added, the exact figures may not matter. "We can grow the virus from air — I think that should be the important take-home lesson," he said."


... also for the doubters, brain and heart injuries now becoming more widespread as longer term effects become known, myocarditis, depression/mental illnesses to name a few.

Chinese military virus just about for sure.
844  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2020, 11:38:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59K40Ahd7yk

... first hop for the rocketship that will take you into orbit, or to the moon, or to mars.

This thing is going to be the 747 of our era.
845  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2020, 03:53:41 AM
Newest Update from Pentarudi aka Masterluc

"This is not more than 4 months prediction, as I spotted new bullish channel . According to my idea price may reach ATH area in 2 months with following some triangle-like consolidation. For EW lovers - I think price is in starting local III wave with all 3rd-wave-specific bullish drama around. Wave length is around 2 months."




... where is Far-away?
846  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis on: August 03, 2020, 03:49:03 AM
whoa, masterluc delivers the goods.

This is so far outside most expectations ... so it could actually be right.
847  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis on: August 01, 2020, 03:32:27 AM
I feel like mindrust read too much into this thread and lost the long term picture, which so far has been uniformly bullish.
848  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: August 01, 2020, 03:31:29 AM
... bring back the dooglus!

I demand it.
849  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 01, 2020, 03:30:31 AM
... well you guys certainly have a penchant for regurgitating the well-studied obvious, and missing some key points.

... but you are only considering (capital) stock to incoming flow (demand), you need to do stock-to-flow properly (including for mining supply).

(hint: bitcoin price in USD on mid-longer term time scales is basically bound by fiat-incoming versus fiat-value of coins being produced)

... ummm, just go and read PlanB's stock-to-flow work, and then start to talk like you know something.



But 250,000 x 18 million is 4.5 trillion  that is 8 or 9 times what the top ten people in the world have.

The pump is harder.

4.5 trillion is 4.5 to 9% of the worlds wealth

I would argue  that shift can't happen in less than 10 years.   12-18 months is a no go.

I believe that the 12-18 month cap for a high is much closer to 50,000 not 250,000

Of course I am barring the collapse of the USA dollar as the world standard for wealth.

If that happens hell BTC could be worth 1,000,000 in ten years or less.


this is from another post.

the argument I gave is btc can capture only a certain % of the world wealth.

it got close to .5% in 2017

I simply do not see it going past 1%  or maybe 40-60k

But there are some interesting assumptions in this idea from my vantage point.  This idea seems to rely on the basis that wealth is a zero sum game.  As in - value cannot be created, but has to arise directly from existing value.

But the market cap of bitcoin will not rise X because X value is put into it.  It will rise Z when X value is put in.

Bitcoin is currently worth ~200 billion.  How much money has to flow in for it to be worth 1 trillion?  I do not believe the answer is 800billion.  Similarly the sales would equal MUCH LESS than 200 billion if bitcoin was to fail and go to zero.

I think I might want to look at this thing the other way around...

I wonder once you take away Satoshi and Hal's family, what the distribution of the really big bitcoin whales looks like.  For example are there only a very few people with say 100,000 bitcoin?

If so bitcoin would have to be a half million USD for people with that much BTC to reach Koch brothers level.
 

I have no issue with the short term idea of 50k late 2020 or early 2021
I just don't see it going much past it.

Most of us are wannabes and  not sitting on 1000btc or more.

Think of a top end guy seeing me come at him with my 100 btc stash. (100 x 300000 = 30 million) While he may have 5 billion I can cause him grief with my 30 million.

So I listed the top 10 guys  I think there are 2000 billionaires.
lets argue they own 16 million btc and we the little guy own a total of 2 million btc.  I propose they have a vested interest in not letting us catch up.

2 million x 11,000 = 22,000,000,000  22 billion
They have 8x that or 176 billion

Yeah they want more since the average billionaire lives with the "nothing counts but more" motto

They absolutely will control the rise so a
bump to 55,000 is allowed to happen

The lower group now has 110 billion
The top level now has 880 billion.  
I believe they the top owners would not crash it out at that point. They have most of the coin and they can take profit but they don't have to.

  If we move to 330,000 a coin the lower group now has 660 billion
They the top group have 5280 billion  Almost certainly they would be really happy with 5280 billion vs the current 176 billion.

The problem is I do think we that lower 1/9 of the coins would look to be a threat at this point.  They would sell off and not let us grow this high.

     Since we would leave the working class and be the "new rich"
  I suggest they cap this run at 50 k to 100 k   vs  250k to 330k.  Just so we that lower section do not get too independent and or too rich.

I still think the 2020/2021 upside is 50-60k but what the fuck do I really know.

A) I don't have direct contact with the top coin holders
B) I don't have knowledge of the cover virus
C) I don't know the results of the 2020 election.

Just because I  think the ultra rich would cap this to 50-60k does not mean I am correct.

 
   Those 2000 billionaires could be very diverse in their btc/crypto holdings.  If only 10 to 100 hold the coins it means they are passing the other  1900 to 1990 the billionaires so those billionaires could want to buy coins to maintain their places in the billionaire club.  That would mean they would not look at the lower 1/9 gaining as much as they would if the coins are more widely dispersed among them.
  
That case could and would allow for a crazy jump in price. I better hodl till 2021 no matter what. Grin



at bitserve  see how many hold 1000 coins or more if it is smaller by far maybe the crazy number of 250,000 to 500,000 happens.

This is so fun I read it 3 times.  I have NO IDEA what you are talking about though.


   I write James Joyce stream of consciousness style. It often needs corrections.
I corrected it in the quote above.
I like technical analysis , but I often go completely outside that box as it lacks the parameters that I mention above.  

I am merely have a bit of fun here as I still am hoping my 50-60k guess is too low.


Looks like 215 to 325 trillion dollars  not 50 trillion

so  .5%-1% is   1.62 -  3.25 trillion which means to guess 75000 to 150000 is not that crazy.

would be nice.

850  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 31, 2020, 05:11:10 AM


Yes, it seems the meme is crystallizing into reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL4qIIxg8A

and of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJ5ZEn67tk
851  Economy / Speculation / Re: BETI: Bitcoin Exponential Trend Index and technical analysis on: July 30, 2020, 11:29:46 PM
... growth models of new technologies, networks, pyramid (ponzi) schemes, cancer tumours and pandemic spreads are identical. It's the maths of exponential growth.

No. It's based on logarithmic growth, which is pretty much the opposite of exponential as the rate of growth ("speed") continues to decline.

Logarithmic:



Exponential:



Bitcoin:



End of mathematics class  Smiley

I'm not paying tuition for this one ... in which universe did internet adoption look like a logarithmic curve?? Grin

And you don't mean "opposite" but the mathematical term is the "inverse function" (I mean I don't know exactly what you are trying to say here but exponential function and natural logarithm functions are inverses).

Not sure what log base 2 has to do with anything I was talking about. But carry on ...

hint: bitcoin price should not be taken as a proxy for network growth.
852  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 30, 2020, 11:26:25 PM
eth dragging us up. need eth to 'invest' in defi
defi is not the scam we want but it's the scam that will drive this bull, just like ico's last time
shrug

nah, stablecoins and central bank digital currencies (CBDC) is the scam that will be propelling this leg of the bitcoin bull.

It is almost parallel to the "intranet" phase of internet adoption, around the early 1990's. Legacy encumbents try to emulate a decentralised network by introducing centralised 'feel-a-likes' scams and walled-gardens.

Interestingly, the digital gold stablecoin/tokens are actually doing a good thing for the gold market ... shows how broken that clusterfuck has been.
853  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 30, 2020, 11:19:20 PM
... bunch of weak-handed, bear-whipped pussies looking to bail out into filthy fiat. Never heard such rot.

... smooth sailing is always on the other side of the next storm.
854  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 30, 2020, 11:15:54 PM
855  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2020, 09:43:19 AM


... seems like there is some kind of limited hangout underway surrounding UFO/alien h/ware, possibly preparing the groundwork for a big reveal later this year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html

... as if 2020 has been a big enough mindf*&% already  Roll Eyes

... but weird shit has been getting closer and closer to the surface for years with the servicemen recent reports to media of craft sighted over nuclear missile silos in the 1950's and 60's and those Navy pilot videos released a few years back, Storm Area 51, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buNCOlB-HeM&feature=youtu.be

... when it finally happens, people will be like, "meh. aliens, of course, we saw it on youtube years ago ....!"  Shocked
856  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2020, 04:33:03 AM
... some seriously weird behind-the-scenes charts in the gold market.

https://www.kitco.com/lease.chart.html

... the fiat funny farm is tearing itself apart, it's so large, has so much inertia and is taking years to play out that it is almost impossible for any one individual to describe the total collapse in detail.

As an analogy, imagine if something the size of the moon crashed into the earth in ancient times and all the individual reports described their local experience but nobody had satellites or aircraft to get higher level views of the totality of the impact. There would be reports of massive waves, floods, clouds of dust reaching to the sky, fireballs streaking across hellscapes, earthquakes and ground runctions that threw people hundreds of meters, mountain ranges either appearing or disappearing on the horizon. The reports would read like an alternate reality to someone living in 'normal' times. This is what it is going to be like for a collapse of the global fiat reserve monetary system, generally craziness on a grand scale in all economic and financial affairs.
857  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2020, 03:54:26 AM
858  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 27, 2020, 02:37:09 AM
I always assumed it went back to the original thread of

I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12156.0
Who was anonymous? Undecided


I forget his original username, but I remember he was a weirdo.

atlas ... the infamous
859  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 27, 2020, 02:27:16 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.msg965269#msg965269

... I was getting WOI and WOII mixed up for a while there ... here's jojo69 on pg 5 in WOI

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pretty good volume on the sell side and price holding


??


profit

... almost a deletable shitpost if it wasn't for it's posterity  Grin Grin
860  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 27, 2020, 02:19:41 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.msg947677#msg947677

P_Shep post #19 in WOI and still posting here on WOII
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