You are presuming that I stole from my creditor; do you know all the facts? Maybe there was a compromise!
Nope - just going from the trust left by two reputable forum members. Their word is more reliable than yours or your imaginary god. I've no trades made by the forum, hence why I've no trust feedback. But where I do have feedback it is a flat 100%, never got negatives on business. But I always take double care when dealing with religious people. If given the chance they might well rob you and then be "forgiven" by their imaginary friend. And they apply this broadly. When my ex-wife got a web relation with some foreigner guy, cheating, she started to listen to religious crap songs everyday, going to mass... usually too much religion means heavy conscience or bad character. |
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Basically you want us to "chew" in negative evidence.
You have absolute no evidence whatsoever God exists, what you have is statements that we don't know some elements. Not knowing doesn't mean "God did it".
In other more simple words: Pointing the others wrong doesn't make you right.
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As always Muslims find every barbaric deed of Muhammad "justified". Ever wonder that we don't have the other side of the story, mainly because Muhammad killed them? And how is camel urine and milk working for medicine? Good?...  Often, specially with Western born Muslims, we see some "Jesus-Muhammad" link at their heads. They say about a murderous warlord things like "he suffered a lot"... yeah right! That just sounds like a lawyer defending his client with "he had a difficult childhood". About Al-Tabari, you will find the same or similar texts at Bukhari or Muslim. For if there is nothing after death you have nothing to lose or gain but if there is afterlife, what will be your fate on that time? Actually anything is better than your notions of "Paradise"... Make Paradise HERE, don't get lured by the ultimate scam, the scam you will just find out you were scammed once you are dead and nothing can be done about it. |
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Don't we have writings from both Pontious Pilate and whichever Caesar was ruling at the time of Jesus' death, that describe Him as being blonde?  No, we don't... before 300 a.D. there's zip references to Jesus from the Roman authorities. Other than killing early Christians since around 70 a.D., but that's another thing, and doesn't equal to evidence of whatever is stated in the bible. |
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An Almighty thing is Almighty every moment, not in a specific time or the suicidal tendency of keeping talking about the end of times.
And there is no "power" in this God. In the moment nobody cares about him anymore, God will be dead. It just "lives" in some people's imagination, like Santa for grown ups.
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Let me put this straight, a thing to be a thing has to have the characteristics of the thing.
If you have a small animal that barfs, you wouldn't call it a cat. If you have a small bush you wouldn't call it a tree. Same goes for God. Something to be God has to meet the "Godly requirements".
Almost, if not all, religions preaches a God that is powerless, can't do anything and requires humans to do his jobs. This doesn't qualify for "Almighty", such creature, if existed and wasn't pure imagination, at best would be slightly stronger than a human, but so is a crane and nobody calls cranes Gods.
To sum this up,
To the absolute knowledge there is no God at all; I'm Agnostic.
About the God or Gods described by religions; I'm strongly Atheist - not only there is no proof of their existence, as there is proof of their non-existence, being it the ignorance such God(s) suffers from and more than obvious evidence they were created by someone reflecting the knowledge of his time.
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If you want to say "I'm logical and objective" then you must say "I am agnostic"
Not quite! I believe many if not most are Agnostic towards God/s generally speaking. But the God/s humans talk about, like the Abrahamic God, you would need to be retarded to believe on it. It doesn't even qualify for any sort of God as it is a powerless God, often using humans to do the dirty jobs. Keeping it logic and objective, there a few requirements a God must fill to be a God or a possible God. And none of the religions that have God/s I know actually speaks about a qualified creature. So you are saying that if a person subscribing to religion A does not believe in the god of religion B then they are being atheist toward religion B? I think you misunderstand the words. To be theist you need subscribe to at least one "god" doesn't matter which one, even if it's a brand new one like the flying spaghetti monster. To be "religous" that god must be acknowledged by at least one other person. Atheism or Theism, both are closing ones mind without enough evidence. I think the builder/s of a simulated universe would tick all the boxes of being "god/s". You cannot be certain that we don't exist within a simulation. If you are then you are making claims beyond the scope of your perceptions ( a leap of faith ) and you are stood on ground as weak as any theist. What?! Your answer has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. |
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If you want to say "I'm logical and objective" then you must say "I am agnostic"
Not quite! I believe many if not most are Agnostic towards God/s generally speaking. But the God/s humans talk about, like the Abrahamic God, you would need to be retarded to believe on it. It doesn't even qualify for any sort of God as it is a powerless God, often using humans to do the dirty jobs. Keeping it logic and objective, there a few requirements a God must fill to be a God or a possible God. And none of the religions that have God/s I know actually speaks about a qualified creature. |
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I am less agree if the job as a cop called stupid job ...  It isn't a stupid job, the topic goes around an IQ ceiling for applicants. I would agree with an IQ floor, you wouldn't want retards in uniform wandering around with guns and harassing people. But ceiling?! |
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Side note: You are assuming I can't read or understand Arabic for any reason?
Secondly, the Hadith are not the "Word of God", they are Mo's biography.
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The "language of the book" is a void point, as it was later inserted into it. Makes no sense to point Arabic for Islam when it was originally written in Assyrian, as doesn't make sense for the Bible to be in Latin when it was originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
So at some point these books needed to be and were translated from the original sources.
If they don't want to understand that...
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So you suggest that because they are irrational we rather not put any rationality into them.
Would be nice if you can build a high wall and not let any of them pass then...
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That's a very nice excuse, EXCEPT that what we call "Arabic" wasn't invented up to IX Century in current Yemen.
So the excuse that you should read a book, originally written in Assyrian, dictated by the VII Century in Arabic is a bold point.
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Surely: Assassinations: Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: Allah's Apostle sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:370 Robbery: Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 29 Barbaric torture and killings: Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.
Sahih Bukhari 8:82:795 Mercilessness to the disabled: When a blind Jew became aware of the presence of the Messenger and the Muslims he rose and threw dust in their faces, saying, ‘Even if you are a prophet, I will not allow you into my garden!’ I was told that he took a handful of dirt and said, ‘If only I knew that I would not hit anyone else, Muhammad, I would throw it in your face.’ Sa’d rushed in and hit him on the head with his bow and split the Jew’s head open.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 112, See Also Ishaq:372 Need more? There are THOUSANDS! Muhammad was but a violent psychopath suffering from schizophrenia. |
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I came to that conclusion long ago too.
Unfortunately unless you want to become as barbaric as Islam, that isn't an easy task. And if you become as barbaric as Islam then why "release" them to put them under the same chains just with a different name?
Tricky to solve, isn't it?
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I don't think the one who abandoned a son deserves any defense at all. That's by the way, a form of family violence.
Still, Abraham based means Jews, Christians and Muslims. They are all violent and have a broad notion of self-defense, often attacking those who aren't attacking them.
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yeah right...
True statement: "we don't know"
Delusional statement: "it was God"
Curiously enough, God has no idea about the Universe, 99% of scientific assertions from religion are way wrong and attached to its time's belief. A more than sufficient evidence that "we" created God, not the other way around.
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You are still debating a mythological figure whose only proof of existence is a book that must be considered true because that book itself says so?!  How about we start to discuss unicorns and minotaurs now? |
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You have bad people everywhere.
The problem is that some (most and from Abraham base, all of them) religions puts good people to make bad actions.
Don't get fooled by "just terrorists", Islam DOES condone with such practices. And you can count by the fingers of a single hand how many Muslims are against those violent actions...
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Muslims themselves are just a worsen and more annoying form of gypsies; economically and scientifically irrelevant, bad workers, have nothing to show or give to the world... but are annoying and violent with their rotten religion.
As Muslims keep pushing everybody's patience, eventually people will vote for get rid of them, and that means Fascist parties.
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