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1081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: To hate Islam... on: July 30, 2014, 10:45:20 AM
But why pick on or single out Islam? It's when you do that people may start to think you're a racist or islamaphobe or whatever. Christianity has a darker history than probably any other religion. Christian fundamentalists probably kill more people than islam does as well, they just do it with bombs and other such measures.

I'm alive at 2014, not at 1500-something. The deeds of the past are unchangeable, so it makes no sense to keep up with Christianity, other than keep it under quarantine to make sure it doesn't happen again.
And still, two wrongs doesn't make a right!
1082  Other / Politics & Society / To hate Islam... on: July 30, 2014, 10:00:14 AM
...is to love Muslims. In the very same way that to hate Mein Kampf isn't to hate Germans.

When you start to talk about Islam, it doesn't take long until some idiot come along bashing you up and down saying that "you're racist", "you hate Muslims" or some other non-sense. But we have two totally different subjects: Islam, a set of books with a harsh VII Century doctrine set by a schizophrenic who claimed to can talk to Gabriel Archangel and Muslims, the people who is still suffering from it.
And when it comes to suffering, nobody is suffering it harder than themselves! In a daily basis Muslims have to be wary even of their shadow, or one of the "Islam-watch" may kill or severely harm them.

So, it's impossible to me to be sympathetic to Islam, being sympathetic to Islam is the same as if I was supporting that Muslim women shouldn't be allowed to study, that people should be stoned to death, lashed, have their limbs cut of and so on... and leave Palestine, Iraq, Syria or other conflict aside, this is daily life for most of them who live in peace but under more strict flags of Islam, like Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan!

Oh, but the Bible is harsh too! Yes it is... but I'm atheist! I would never support stoning people, cutting women hands and other non-sense from the Old Testament. It's the same, for me it doesn't matter who made the doctrine that is causing violence, no matter if it come from the West, East, North or South.

Then comes another group, the "misinterpretation" one:
Islam is text-clear, I'll not fill this post with quotes of stuff you can find easily at the web, just search for the Quran and Hadith, the Quran is the base book, and just by looking at its index you'll find it resembling more of a Civil Code, including the laws to share spoils of war, and the others are sort of Muhammad's biography.
If you read the books and believe things like ISIS or Boko Haram are "misinterpreting the Islam", then we have an issue! You'll have to say Hitler was a nice guy, the chief of Auschwitz was the one misinterpreting Mein Kampf...
1083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 30, 2014, 12:57:21 AM

hmm I'm starting to see a pattern here...


A pattern that dates back from before the memory of times on that region... and way before there was a people named "Jews" or a people named "Arabs".
Hope they find peace one day, but I seriously doubt I'll live that longer to see it myself.
1084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: One Week in Islam: What is Wrong With This Faith??? on: July 29, 2014, 08:46:20 PM
I don't think that anything is wrong with Islam as faith.
Problem is with people who practice Islam in their own way, with their own interpretation of their holy book, interpretation which justify killing of innocent people.
Purpose of any religion is to teach people spirituality, bring them to God and prepare for another world, God's kingdom.
Radical Islam use from Qur'an what fit their agenda and just skip other parts.  

Sorry to disagree. The trap most westerns fall into is to look at Islam as if it was Christianity, a bunch of fairy tales open to 1000 interpretations.
But Islam is way more than that! Islam is a political system, for today it would be considered something close to Fascism with Commercialism as main economic trend, and is not open for interpretation. It's based upon the example of the "perfect Muslim", Muhammad, and that example is a trail of blood and violence.

Basically goes like this:
"It's wrong to kill people, you're misinterpreting your religion."

Christians will just find something to support them to kill people at the Jewish books (AKA Old Testament), but Jesus killed nobody.

Muslims... well... Muhammad just opened the party by trying to force-convert 12 Jews to Islam, they refused and he killed them... shaite!
again generalizing, as usual without a minimum of facts, maybe that hundred of thousands/millions of Jews (mostly) and Christians that lived in Muslim countries for centuries were forced to convert or were killed according to you.... but yes because some dickheads pseudo-islamist murderer that has nothing to do with Islam, try to force convert some under death threats that gives you the right to generalize to the muslim community, that's like taking Hitler as an example and generalizing by saying all European are murderers without mercy, but I guess that's one way for you to express your hatred against anything Muslim which can be proven by just a simple search on your comment history.

I'm not generalizing anything. It's the doctrine.  Go check al-Bukhari, it's all there and I wrote nothing there.
I do not hate muslims, that's stupid! I do not like Islam (Islam and Muslims aren't one and the same thing) just like I dislike any other violent doctrine.

Hitler didn't made a religion... luckily! As it appears all it takes is to disguise anything as religion and then everything goes...
1085  Other / Politics & Society / Re: One Week in Islam: What is Wrong With This Faith??? on: July 29, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
I don't think that anything is wrong with Islam as faith.
Problem is with people who practice Islam in their own way, with their own interpretation of their holy book, interpretation which justify killing of innocent people.
Purpose of any religion is to teach people spirituality, bring them to God and prepare for another world, God's kingdom.
Radical Islam use from Qur'an what fit their agenda and just skip other parts.  

Sorry to disagree. The trap most westerns fall into is to look at Islam as if it was Christianity, a bunch of fairy tales open to 1000 interpretations.
But Islam is way more than that! Islam is a political system, for today it would be considered something close to Fascism with Commercialism as main economic trend, and is not open for interpretation. It's based upon the example of the "perfect Muslim", Muhammad, and that example is a trail of blood and violence.

Basically goes like this:
"It's wrong to kill people, you're misinterpreting your religion."

Christians will just find something to support them to kill people at the Jewish books (AKA Old Testament), but Jesus killed nobody.

Muslims... well... Muhammad just opened the party by trying to force-convert 12 Jews to Islam, they refused and he killed them... shaite!
1086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Australian judge says incest may no longer be a taboo on: July 29, 2014, 12:46:22 PM
Again:

I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.

You've made 5 lengthy posts describing how polygamy is unfair and it is adultery and it is allowed in Islam while at the same Islamic law on adultery are harsh so this position and biased, and no you are telling me that you don't care about polygamy? you are just being to dodgy here, so you admit that your previous argument doesn't stand, so we can talk about "honor killing" ?

No I didn't. You are so up to moral judgments that pointing out the simple FACT that polygamy is a form of adultery is seen by you as criticism. It's only unfair for sexism.
1087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More From "The Religion Of Peace": Pakistan mob kills woman, girls...... on: July 29, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
Another ignorant post that confuses, religion, country customs and different currents maybe you should learn about the conflict between Shiites and Sunnites before posting a sensationalist title like this one....
Also murderers don't need religion to kill they just uses it as an excuse, and the prove is that murders happen with or without religion.

And AGAIN... instead of CONDEMN the violence, here comes one trying to make an excuse for it.

About Sunnis/Shiites/Ahmaddya it doesn't mater who is or isn't right. Ahmaddya is the only non-violent sect and it's hated by the other two... wonder why it's mostly the only thing the other two "Allah uh-Akhbar zombies" fully agree with! Maybe being non-violent is a bad thing at Islam...

Where do you see not condemning violence ? did you miss the part where I name this people as MURDERERS,  I think the one that is being a zombie here is you, you are auto hating anything related Muslims and Islam in all your posts and generalizing and I can quote your several times, the difference between me and you is that I reckon that in everything there are bad and good people, bad, people should be punished but not because there are bad people in group/community/religion/nation, doesn't mean I have the right to condemn everyone ! but a fair judgement is not one of your vertu it seems

No you didn't. You said there are murders everywhere and your overall text reads like a "hey! There are others doing it". Then with some crap about that endless bs of false prophets that's behind that shia sunni endless violence.

And lostDutchman, that Kansas guy won't kill you. That's where the difference lies. I don't care too if muslims pray to allah, god or whatever. As long as they don't kill people over it.
1088  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More From "The Religion Of Peace": Pakistan mob kills woman, girls...... on: July 29, 2014, 10:23:21 AM
Another ignorant post that confuses, religion, country customs and different currents maybe you should learn about the conflict between Shiites and Sunnites before posting a sensationalist title like this one....
Also murderers don't need religion to kill they just uses it as an excuse, and the prove is that murders happen with or without religion.

And AGAIN... instead of CONDEMN the violence, here comes one trying to make an excuse for it.

About Sunnis/Shiites/Ahmaddya it doesn't mater who is or isn't right. Ahmaddya is the only non-violent sect and it's hated by the other two... wonder why it's mostly the only thing the other two "Allah uh-Akhbar zombies" fully agree with! Maybe being non-violent is a bad thing at Islam...
1089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More From "The Religion Of Peace": Pakistan mob kills woman, girls...... on: July 29, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
By the way you won't find too many Hindus, Buddhists and Taoists killing others in the name of their faith.

Or XXI Century Christians, even if we need to keep them at quarantine, because a couple of centuries ago they match Islam 1-on-1.
But it will be a strawman generalization about Islam in the day Muslims themselves come out speaking against their own religion violence, and we never saw anything of such, did we? We saw some demonstrations, but their demonstrations are more violent than violence - and usually goes around "look at the violent Israelis", "look at the violent US", never about their own violence!
So we have 20% "fanatics" and the other 80% is either def and mute or silently supporting those 20%.
1090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More From "The Religion Of Peace": Pakistan mob kills woman, girls...... on: July 29, 2014, 08:38:10 AM
Im an athiest. Just saying, dont mock a religion because of a few crackhead radicals, all religions are just the same piles of shit anyways.

Yes, all of them are. But let's face it, Islam is currently the most barbaric.
1091  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More From "The Religion Of Peace": Pakistan mob kills woman, girls...... on: July 29, 2014, 08:35:26 AM
1 Billion muslims in the world.

Only 20% are fanatics.


Here's some nice tasters for all you shitheads out there,

LOOK AT ALL THESE RELIGIONS!

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Dont try to make one religion look bad when all of the others are just as shit too.

Over a hideous killing your concern is to defend the religion... that alone says much about Islam, doesn't it?
1092  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 28, 2014, 09:47:04 PM
Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

Israel hate? this the usual argument of people that cannot argue with facts, most if not all don't hate Israel, but the politics of it current government, and what you are doing right it's exactly what Israel politics are trying to spread, heck you can see new propaganda messages flooding the internet (some of them were so extrem that the UN intervened). And Standing for Palestinians = antisemitism according to Israel this is the new message being spread in EU, rallying or demonstration for Palestine is antisemitic according to the new media push by the Israeli lobby.

Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!

Let me just put this more clear as now I've access to a computer - writing on touch screen still isn't the same:

Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.
The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?

EDIT:
Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".
1093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 28, 2014, 08:15:42 PM
Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.
1094  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Australian judge says incest may no longer be a taboo on: July 28, 2014, 08:13:13 PM
Again:

I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.
1095  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 28, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
So in the end it is also the fault of the U.S. government  Roll Eyes .
Yes because Israel standing just because of USA if they stop to back them they they will out of World map in just few days

By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.
1096  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 28, 2014, 06:35:10 PM
It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.

Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages...
Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing.
1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled.

OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers.
Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then.
why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention.

And why do you care so much about 1000 palestinians and nothing about the rest of muslims?
Double standards or as long as the assassin wears your shirt it is OK?

And yes, there are a lot of interests around this conflict, but isn't resources and land that fuel it or push it to frontpage. The thousands of NGO's profiting from it are the main pressure group around.
1097  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: July 28, 2014, 11:49:44 AM
700k holy shit. I imagine that to my part, propably would kill myself... Hopefully you get back whats yours!

NEVER kill yourself over money, life is full of loops up and down and, as long as you are alive you can use your capacities to turn things over.  Cool
1098  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: July 28, 2014, 11:44:14 AM
It may not mean that "media" isn't tendentious, but Western media isn't only totally free (each TV station, newspaper, radio does and broadcasts whatever it wants) as it is changing, nowadays more people gather information from the internet than from the classical media.
Obviously there are also some pressure groups that keep pressing for have their agenda at the top.
For an instance Israel x Palestine. Due to Israel presence many NGO's operate at Palestine, because it is still somewhat developed for Muslim countries standards and they don't risk their life much, unlike Afghanistan or Iraq, so they keep making publicity of the situation to profit as much possible with it. So nobody knows about Ukraine, unless a plane comes down there, but also nobody knows about ISIS, "honor washings" (those without shred of honor seams to value that much, as usual rarity sets the price) and the daily murders and mass-murders going on.

About the ex-Soviet Republics, and because the reply before I was at my mobile, my source isn't any media, but by their diplomatic pressure, they keep saying we are too soft for Russia.
A country like mine, Portugal, doesn't have a single battle against Russia anywhere at all at its History, our gas comes from North Africa, so we logically wouldn't harass Russia for no reason. We always had great relation with it. We will do however what EU requests because we are part of it.
1099  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Where would you prefer to born if you were born at another era? on: July 28, 2014, 11:35:28 AM
Wish I am born later. After we discover the art of immortality.

How can you know we won't find it before you die?  Smiley

That odd is rather low.

Idk, because in human development we sometimes have a genius that gives us leaps forward, like Tesla or Einstein.
1100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation. on: July 28, 2014, 01:10:06 AM
It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.

Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages...
Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing.
1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled.

OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers.
Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then.
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