I'll have to watch it when I get home. What I meant about life coming from a "single event" was the life we see on Earth. All life here is fairly easy to map and see how the DNA is related. Ok, I misunderstood that. Yes, it appears as if all known life on earth has common ancestry. That says it evolved from the same processes, Im just not convinced that means a single "event". If it turns out that the right ingredients under the right conditions automatically leads to primitive (probably RNA based) "life" that can mutate and start a Darwinian evolution that leads to more efficient DNA based life, one has to wonder if it wouldnt do the same "everywhere" under comparable conditions. If we ever did find life elsewhere, say Europa, my first question would be "Is it DNA based?" If it was I would tend to think it is related to life on Earth. If it was a different system then I would tend to think life is common and can start in a variety of ways.
Id like to see how similar the DNA is. The presence of DNA itself wouldnt be enough for me to prove it couldnt have developed independently, especially since we are specifically interested in Europa because its so similar to earth (liquid water, sources of energy, temperature differences, seismic activity etc). I think we dont know enough yet to make the claim that DNA would point to common ancestry. FWIW, it would be more thrilling to me if it wasnt DNA based. The idea that meteorites carried some primitive life form from one body to the other and it adapted and evolved there isnt nearly as exciting to me than life originating by itself. 'Its life Jim, just not as we know it"  |
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I am a biologist, but it doesn't help. Where life comes from is one of those central issues in science that still does not have an answer. I am at work and could not watch the videos. However, it sounds like the "primordial soup" idea. That is where a mix of complex molecules start a chain reaction that leads to a replication of the original state. It goes much further. It shows most of the building blocks needed for primitive, but self replicating cells that start an evolutionary arms race based on nothing but chemistry and physics. Obviously we dont have all the answers yet, we dont know exactly how our life started. But before I saw that, I was quite willing to accept the anthropic principle, that the beginning of life may be unbelievable unlikely, but given the number of stars and galaxies and the age of the universe, you'd expect unbelievably unlikely things to happen and the fact we're here just shows it has. But the lecture pretty convincingly shows me life from chemistry appears far more plausible or possibly even unavoidable. At least to a layman like me who is surprised just to learn that for instance, semi permeable multi layered (cell) membranes that grow and divide, can and do form completely spontaneously in the right conditions. Anyway, watch the lectures when you have the time, if its fascinating to me, Im sure you'll love it. As far as we can tell, life on Earth is part of a single occurrence. Im quite curious if you will think the same after having seen all three lectures. Keeping in mind there are >100 billion galaxies with >100 billion stars each, good for an estimated 10^24 stars, most of which appear to have a solar system like ours. And thats just in the observable universe. |
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I have watched about half of the first video so far. It isn't impressive. Having read just the above 2 sentences, I already knew you were a religious fruitcake. Up until now, atheism has been built purely on blind faith, simply because the "snippets" of science that seemed to point at evolution as being real, And this is where I stopped reading and clicked your ignore button. |
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Alright, you're on. I'll wager 0.05 that you wont lose the bet.
Only 63 blocks to go though...
Ok, its your loss. |
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how much gave you at stake?
Peanuts (0.1 BTC) |
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Not that close. Im taking bets now I will lose that bet  |
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By the way, if you can show proof that I charge "extra fees" I will reward you with 1 BTC.
To date, nobody has ever been charged a fee. We build everything into the price to keep it as simple as possible.
Id like to claim my 1BTC now. yes, OP was deleted, but referenced here: ...
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Am I right when I say the operator has
- provided no mining address, no cryptographic/blockchain proof of hashrate
- No pictures of the mine or hardware (but plenty of logo's)
- No provable identification
- No endorsement from asic vendors
Is that correct?
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Im not a chemist or biologist, and a fair bit of this went over my head, but I found this series of lectures fascinating nontheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqPGOhXoprUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ5jh33OiOAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfq5-i8xoIUIt explains how chemistry and physics could have produced simple, RNA based life. For the record, Im a firm atheist, but what little I know of how a (modern) cell works and how extremely unlikely it appears something that complicated "just happened", always made me think it gave good ammunition to deists or people who want to believe life was seeded by aliens or whatever. Not that either proposition explains anything, its just that I doubted science would be able to explain it in my lifetime. Anyway, seeing the above lecture, Im stunned to learn how simple and common chemical and physical processes make it entirely plausible that cell based life just "happened". Or even " had to happen". So much so, that Im even taking much more serious the odds of finding life within our solar system (like on Europa moon). Given the number of stars and planets in the universe, I never really doubted there is other life out there, but within our solar system, that seemed a huge stretch to me. But now I cant wait for us to drill in Europa or land on Titan. |
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Lets assume you're right; I now have 1 week stats (Tuesday to Tuesday, so not in sync with payouts yet). During this week, going by the stats page, 296TH was added, good for at most 414.6 BTC (since it assumes zero referral rewards, it could be as low as 373 if every purchase was referred).
The total now is 4.7PH. At todays difficulty that would cost him 410.6 BTC - if he were not skimming and if none of the hashrate is 'internal'. Thats getting precarious. Of course last time he only paid 333 BTC, and no one seems overly upset they are getting only 80-85% of what they were promised. I guess they are happy to be receiving anything at all, and they should be.
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I wouldn't say it's drying up, PB Mining is still bringing in ~BTC60/day.
Are they really... if you do taint analysis on their new address: https://blockchain.info/taint/1PBMyo8kLhwtxKdNwSdjwvA377D6M5EgzSYou notice a lot of payments can be traced back directly to (former) PB addresses. They cant be sales. Moreover if you look at the transactions, like for instance this one: https://blockchain.info/tx/61008764c6d120d557a758530afe20275b85be8cf3b48216b7a1de867c0583a0Thats not a purchase. Thats more likely part of a mixer. No sales happened here, nor in the majority of transactions I can see. Seems to me like PB is trying to reinflate the bubble; by creating fake revenue its trying to reassure at least those that knowingly invested in a ponzi, that its not on the verge of collapse. The unexplained (and unbelievably: unnoticed until just now!) reduction in payouts tells a different story. That one transaction likely isn't, but it's a fairly minor amount. Most of the 1Piggy's have some taint back to other ones. It's hard to say whether it's change being swept up into the new address or just cycling things around in the system. It would be helpful if walletexplorer was updated more regularly. There's still a decent bit of coin into the latest 1PBM from Bitstamp which is a little strange, though it could be a purchase that someone paid through that platform. Some of the taint might also be people making poor decisions. There's a decent number getting payouts from a 1Payday address along with various other sources, and who them make a payment to 1PBM. That taint analysis only goes one step back. So it means those funds where directly sent from several 1Pxxx to that new sales address. That means he is buying (or faking) his own hashrate. If customers where reinvesting their payouts, there would be an address inbetween. BTW, pbmining has been online several times, and he's reading and learning. He's got yet another address for payments (1Po6Ky37pC3sbwx8King4PeyqTxC52Y7mo). I checked out the first significant payment to that, its this one: https://blockchain.info/tx/20f34d2d809be67900ac8790d54a0fd8dd4a1f82b02ae780d75ef07c2b6bcd344.2 BTC that appears to pertain to a new purchase you see on that stats for 7925 GHs, customer 39834. But the transaction again doesnt make much sense to me, the change is sent to another address, I dont think any bitcoin wallet does that. Moreover, if you follow the source of those 4.2 BTC, it seems clear to me its yet again a mixer. Maybe Im wrong on this, but it certainly seems to me he is doctoring his stats. |
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I would say that any evaluation of a potential scam should use some kind of subjective criteria as a scammer could simply look at your criteria and work around it
If by "working around" you mean they verifiably prove their identity and verifiably prove ownership of the hashrate they are selling etc, then great! Here is the thing; setting up a scam that conforms to one or two of my criteria is easy enough, but setting one up that conforms to all or nearly all of them is very difficult. Its probably not impossible, just very difficult. And what scammer would go the very difficult (and expensive) route when a transparent copy/paste scam that conforms to virtually none of my criteria works so well? |
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This bet is too intense!
Im pretty sure Im losing this one. But its gonna be closer than most thought  |
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It's pretty hard for an individual to prove that an operation like this is a scam or not. Every comment you see on hashie is speculation since no one really knows. Its quite easy for the operator to provide a lot of evidence disproving a scam. If literally NONE such evidence is provided, one has to conclude its as likely a scam as that nigerian princess who inherited an oil concession and mailed you yesterday. I'd just say don't invest more than you can afford to lose as always.
Yeah, you keep sending anything that you can afford to lose, to those nigerian princesses. Im not investing a single satoshi in things that provide no evidence. |
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I wouldn't say it's drying up, PB Mining is still bringing in ~BTC60/day.
Are they really... if you do taint analysis on their new address: https://blockchain.info/taint/1PBMyo8kLhwtxKdNwSdjwvA377D6M5EgzSYou notice a lot of payments can be traced back directly to (former) PB addresses. They cant be sales. Moreover if you look at the transactions, like for instance this one: https://blockchain.info/tx/61008764c6d120d557a758530afe20275b85be8cf3b48216b7a1de867c0583a0Thats not a purchase. Thats more likely part of a mixer. No sales happened here, nor in the majority of transactions I can see. Seems to me like PB is trying to reinflate the bubble; by creating fake revenue its trying to reassure at least those that knowingly invested in a ponzi, that its not on the verge of collapse. The unexplained (and unbelievably: unnoticed until just now!) reduction in payouts tells a different story. |
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There's one simple way to determine if this is a ponzi or actual mining. Everyone, just stop buying new contracts for at least 6mo's to a year.
A week or two would probably be plenty. |
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Considering the amounts of money involved, I would question the motivations of anyone on this thread.
Considering the incentive it would be far wiser to primarily question the motivation of anyone with a vested interest in keeping the ponzi alive, and anyone with a referral link in his sig. |
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Well they were not selling it well on there own so it makes sense.
Yeah it makes sense to outsource sales to an anonymous third party that is almost certainly running a ponzi scheme. Brilliant idea. Maybe they should hire John Carley to handle PR and let Trendon shavers do the accounting. |
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The daily limit without ID verification has been increased up to 250€. No need to introduce the Id card or passport below that threshold.
Just curious, what would stop me from selling 250 euro worth of coins several time a day? |
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