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1481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum & BitShares Partnership!! on: August 16, 2014, 05:04:20 AM
That would be so awesome if two of my favorite crypto currency projects joined forces!!  Grin

Daniel and Vitalik are two of the brightest minds in crypto IMO, only great things could come from cooperation between the two projects.
1482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: August 16, 2014, 04:30:49 AM
#1 - The centralization of PoW mining will become more and more centralized over time, because big operations such as this will make the little guys unprofitable and therefore push them out of the market.
#2 - The huge amount of electricity that is wasted needlessly with PoW.

You've managed to fail twice in a row. Good job!

At least I'm not a fanboi that only cares about his special interests and can admit Bitcoin has flaws.  Tongue

You think Bitcoin's PoW is a flaw? It's one of it's greatest strengths and quite possibly the most important feature.

Yes, it is a flaw when compared to something like Bitshare's delegated proof of stake, which has fixed the "nothing at stake" issue with other PoS coins.. among other things. Seeing as though DPoS uses a fraction of the energy to protect the BitsharesX block chain just as securely, this is a vast improvement in and of itself. Furthermore, using dPoS you can increase block speeds to 10 to 30 seconds without seeing the problems that you would see using PoW (stales, forks, etcetra.) http://bitshares.org/delegated-proof-of-stake/

Unless large miners are getting discounts on electricity, they really have no advantage over smaller miners.
You actually can get discounts on electricity if you use a lot of it from certain companies, but there are other ways they can gain advantage.

Obviously someone setting up a large farm such as this has pretty deep pockets. Someone with deep pockets can order many more mining rigs than joe blow, which reduces his percentage of the network, which reduces joe blow's profits. This could be done (as we are seeing) to an extent that joe blow will never break even (in BTC... that's all we care about). Do you think joe blow will continue buying mining rigs if he can't break even? They can push him out of the market. The fact that most mining manufacturers offer bulk pricing only exemplifies this.

Another way they could gain an advantage is by investing money in manufacturing their own ASIC mining chips, PCBs, and assembly lines. In that scenario they would be paying a fraction of the price for a mining rig that runs at the same speed as joe blow (even more so than bulk discounts). Which allows them to purchase more mining rigs, further reducing the cost of the mining rigs, and therefore further reduce joe blow's portion of the network.

Although, large farms do have additional expenses that a smaller miner doesn't need to worry about (space, cooling, power requirements, upkeep).
That is true, but if they can achieve a certain percentage of the network they will easily operate at a profit. Especially when they are getting the mining rigs much cheaper than average consumers via bulk discounts or manufacturing their own. If it wasn't wildly profitable, why would large manufacturers like KNC, Avalon, Bitfury be making these massive farms in the first place? I know how much of a headache a large farm is to setup and run.. I find it hard to believe they would do it if it wasn't highly profitable.

So, I'm wondering how large mining farms will make "little guys unprofitable". As long as "little guys" have access to the most recent hardware, they will be just fine.
Because of the reasons I've stated above. Sure, the little guys have access to the most recent hardware, but they are paying much more for that same hardware than the large farms and manufacturers are paying. They are at a disadvantage from the get go. To make things worse, a lot of the little guys are closing up shop and moving on. I mean.. if you bought mining hardware and you lost a lot of Bitcoins doing so (IE. did not break even), would you keep buying mining hardware? It is still profitable for large farms and manufacturers, but not so much for the little guys. In my ASIC investments, NONE of them have broken even, and I know I'm not alone. I will never buy a Bitcoin ASIC again in my life.

Saying electricity is "wasted" due to PoW is like saying you "wasted" gas driving to work today.
Yes, I would consider both of those processes wasteful of natural resources, and potentially the downfall of humanity living on planet earth at some unknown point of time in the future. If gasoline engines weren't such a bad thing for the environment and wasteful of natural resources, then why is there so much effort being made to move beyond gasoline with the use of alternative fuels? Do you not understand how many natural resources are wasted during the process of generating electricity, how the environment is negatively impacted while doing so, and why using less electricity is beneficial to that problem?

Bitcoin is useful and the PoW is required for it to function. So far no other solutions have been able to take a meaningful market share away from Bitcoin, for good reason.

There haven't really been any good solutions to PoW until very recently. There have been different variants of PoS that all suffer from various flaws. Only until recently have most of those flaws been fixed. A change like this (from Bitcoin to something else) will take time. The use of gasoline is actually a great analogy, I am glad you brought it up.

There are issues with the use of Gasoline just like there are issues with Bitcoin, both are not perfect for a few similar reasons (harmful to the environment and waste of natural resources.) Yet, Gasoline and Bitcoin will be around for a long time because of the infrastructure that has been built by both of them. In gasoline's case there are billions of vehicles, power tools, planes, etcetra that use it... to switch to an alternative we would need to rebuild these or design and build new ones. In Bitcoin's case the exchanges, ATMs, payment processors, etcetra are already setup to work with Bitcoin... to work with another crypto currency would require reprogramming just about every core service involved in the Bitcoin ecosystem. Costs are another thing holding gasoline and Bitcoin alternatives.. it is expensive to develop alternative technologies.

The advancement in technology is still being improved upon, but better technological alternatives certainly already exist for both gasoline and Bitcoin. It will take time, how long is anyone's guess, but I am certain that both will be uprooted as the king of fuel (gasoline) and the king of crypto currencies (Bitcoin) at some point in the future. Gasoline is definitely not the only example, all technologies come and go as better technologies replace the less adequate technologies. The transitions from VHS to DVD to Blu-ray took a lot of time. Along with the transition from Records to Tapes to CDs to MP3s to FLACs took a lot of time. I could go on and on with these examples..

Notice the more technological advancements happen at a quicker pace.. I don't see why this couldn't be applicable to Bitcoin as well. It is after all much cheaper to reprogram something than to rebuild all the vehicles, power tools, etcetra in the world. Furthermore, gasoline has many other factors why it is probably the best option for the foreseeable future, but Bitcoin has less so.

I have no idea what "special interests" you are talking about.

I just assumed by your reply that you could think through the above reasoning yourself and understand it, yet still chose to call me out for being wrong because you own a lot of Bitcoins and want to protect your nest egg. Many people (individuals, companies, and corporations) are heavily invested in the current system (gasoline and Bitcoin), and profit from it. They are hesitant to allow change and will spend any amount of time, effort, and money that it takes to thwart the opposition because it is how they sustain their lifestyles and provide for their families. I apologize if my assumption was incorrect. If my reasoning is wrong, then please explain how I am wrong. Sometimes I do a horrible job of conveying exactly what I am trying to say, even though it makes perfect sense in my head. Smiley
1483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: August 15, 2014, 10:06:49 PM
#1 - The centralization of PoW mining will become more and more centralized over time, because big operations such as this will make the little guys unprofitable and therefore push them out of the market.
#2 - The huge amount of electricity that is wasted needlessly with PoW.

You've managed to fail twice in a row. Good job!

At least I'm not a fanboi that only cares about his special interests and can admit Bitcoin has flaws.  Tongue
1484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: August 15, 2014, 09:00:45 PM
Firstly, this points out two of the biggest negatives of PoW.

#1 - The centralization of PoW mining will become more and more centralized over time, because big operations such as this will make the little guys unprofitable and therefore push them out of the market.
#2 - The huge amount of electricity that is wasted needlessly with PoW.

Secondly, it's nice to see where our "June 2013" Avalon deliveries went and the reason for the 2 month delay.. these guys have some balls allowing a news story about this. Wink

Thirdly, again these guys have big balls... if I was operating such a large mining farm I would tell no one. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking someone may break in at any moment or hold me hostage to get the location of the equipment. All they did was black out their eyes...

1485  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: August 15, 2014, 07:42:30 PM
Has anyone physically went to Missouri and tried to locate Ken?

Has anyone heard from him since July?

Has anyone heard anything from Wood Law since sending in your "evidence" against VMC/Ken?
1486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Just Sold $1k worth of Bitcoins to... a Black Guy (gasp) on: August 15, 2014, 05:47:16 PM
Threads title is racist.

Only the title is racist? Did you read the OP? lol  Tongue

I am convinced the OP is just trolling everyone.. there's no way someone smart enough to know about Bitcoin can be this ignorant in the year 2014. Smiley
1487  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do girls use Bitcoin ? on: August 15, 2014, 03:35:50 PM
My mom and sisters own some Bitcoin/Litecoin. Although I don't think they really "use" it much.
1488  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Warning] You need to leave ! on: August 13, 2014, 07:43:51 PM
Please add Spoetnik to the list.

Thanks
1489  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: August 13, 2014, 06:09:21 PM
funniest song/music video ive heard/seen in a long time

NSFW- http://youtu.be/RC-e5vs6NeY
1490  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 11, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
EDIT: Never mind, I think the units are sold.
1491  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 11, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
If they are setup running:Restart em let me run for 5 minutes then post a shot of the we hi that shows per card hashrate; I'd be willing to entertain an offer on one of them

Or better yet if you have a digital multi meter. Measure the voltage across the inductor to a ground point and let me know. I may know how to fix it them.

Plenty of experience debugging these guys and getting them running solid since I built one from scratch Tongue bareboards and chips to soldered hashing cards a full rig of 16 mini H cards redesigned with trimpots and  8 Bitfury Rev.2 chips running at 400+ Ghash.

That's half the chips doing the same hashrate.  ^_^ shoutout to kaerf

Impressive.. unfortunately I spent a hour bubble wrapping everything this morning before I checked this thread. If you would like to purchase them as-is with no guarantee, then feel free to. I really think I am understating the capability of these rigs... as I don't want the purchaser to feel like they got ripped off. I think I have been conservative in how I have described the mining rigs by only guaranteeing 100 Gh each.

----------------

I feel bad about this.. I had already agreed to sell the rigs to btljuice, but I just realized this morning that there are more/better offers now. It is my duty to get the best price possible for the equipment, so I am going to have to back out of our deal.

Right now.. Tupsu has the best offer on the table and I have PMed him to arrange shipping and payment. As long as no one outbids him in the meantime, then I am pretty sure I will sell them to him.

By the way.. I forgot to mention this, but there are actually 2 more H cards than there are slots on the M boards. We got a couple RMAs.. I think those 2 extra cards are dead, but they may be salvageable for chips/parts. They will come as a package deal with the two rigs.

Thank you all for your interest.
1492  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
.23BTC max for both

Xbox.. I am pretty tired I'm going to head to bed. If you can get your payment to the same BTC address posted earlier in the thread, then these are yours.

Please PM me your name and address, along with how you want to do shipping. I would prefer to get Paypal for shipping, or if you have a UPS/Fedex account that would be ideal. If you can do neither of these, I will get back to you in the morning once I have calculated how much shipping will be.

Thanks

My offer was including shipping. if not im out

My offer didn't include shipping. Let me know, but like I said it was my final offer.

Oops. I guess since blazed's offers didn't include shipping I assumed yours didn't as well. Please send me your addresses. I will determine how much shipping would be and if the price offered is acceptable due to shipping costs.

Thanks
1493  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 03:53:37 AM
.23BTC max for both

Xbox.. I am pretty tired I'm going to head to bed. If you can get your payment to the same BTC address posted earlier in the thread, then these are yours.

Please PM me your name and address, along with how you want to do shipping. I would prefer to get Paypal for shipping, or if you have a UPS/Fedex account that would be ideal. If you can do neither of these, I will get back to you in the morning once I have calculated how much shipping will be.

Thanks
1494  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 03:42:44 AM
I'm out.

Thanks anyways. Smiley
1495  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 03:35:40 AM
I am out...max I was going is .21BTC

K blazed, I will get your things sent out tomorrow.

I'll leave bidding open for the Bitfurys for a bit.. I think I'll be up for another hour or so.
1496  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 03:15:11 AM
I will let him buy if he wants...if not I will offer .21BTC maximum.

It seems you got them unless zhink makes an offer above .21 btc

It looks like btl went offline so I guess he decided he didn't want to go above .21

Plz make an offer soon btl or zhink if you want the rigs so we can tie this up.

Thanks
1497  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 02:52:32 AM
You said #3 operates at 100-400Gh/s and decreases over time. Are you saying it decreases from 400 to 100 over time, or it goes even lower than 100?

It's rated from the manufacturer to do 400 Gh each, and they mostly did for a while but had major stability problems. I think some cards have died since then and they no longer run at 400 Gh.. I would say that you may be able to get them to run up to 200 Gh+, but over the course of the day the cards cut out and it will likely end up around 100 Gh. A hard reset is required daily pretty much, but you could probably keep them above 100 Gh. With a lot of tweaking you may have better luck than I did.. Or if you have experience running Bitfurys rigs.
1498  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 02:32:53 AM
Honestly if you want them...you can get em.  I will just take the 2 other rigs!

Doesn't matter to me. I have told both of you via PM that the highest bidder gets them.

Thanks
1499  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 02:11:20 AM
How much more for the flakey miner?

Plz make an offer.. It doesn't seem like anyone's really interested in them. I think something like half price $/Gh sounds fair, calculated at 100 Gh each. I believe you can probably get them to run faster, you will just need to manually reset them every now and then. Laying the rigs on their side helps with the stability.
1500  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Used Bitcoin ASICs (KNC, Bitfury, & HashFast) - Accepting Offers on: August 09, 2014, 12:01:45 AM
Alright, I have decided to go ahead and sell the Jupiter and Baby Jet to Blazed. As discussed through PM, we will use his UPS account to pay for shipping, and I will do my best to get them shipped out tomorrow.

Blazed, please send the total (.79 BTC) to our old group account located at this address this evening: 1MHP7hDgFQw7Q5MUNeP6ecB2srxu8fuezh

If you would like to arrange escrow, please work that out with whomever you would like tonight and forward them the funds, and have them reply here stating they will escrow the deal (please pick someone very reputable if so.) If the payment is received, or the escrow agent confirmed they received the payment, then I will do my best to have the mining rigs shipped tomorrow afternoon.

Please PM me to tell me your UPS account info to charge for shipping and your name/address. Thanks for your offer and for buying the units. I think you will be happy with them, they are very stable machines.

The Bitfury rigs are still for sale.

Thanks all
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