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1641  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 05, 2013, 08:20:28 AM
Nah. Bitcoin is too Communist for eBay.

Tell that to the libertarians here Wink
It seems very capitalistic to me.  As with any other currency, there's a small number of people with huge stashes ruining things for everyone else, such as by dirty tricks like dumping about 25000BTC onto a rising market last night, and manipulating the price with huge ask/bid walls.

Its not communist or capitalist - its just a currency. It is for sure a demon for Keynesianists, which usually label themselves as "left wing economists", as the ability to inflate the currency is a must for the Keynesianist "stimulus strategy" in crisis times, which is a central point of Keynesianism.

That said, a communist government would never accept a national currency they cannot fully control - on the contrary, libertarian capitalists or more generially austrian echonomy followers would embrace it with joy.

Anyhow, I can see anarchists/communists/anti-capitalists supporting Bitcoin just because is a "bank killer", and right now the financial elites are the ones ruling the world, so we could say that Bitcoin could turn upside down the current status quo, which might be a desiderable intermediate step for communists/anarchists/anti-capitalists in general. Bitcoin would never been the end goal for anti-capitalists, but it could be a first step to radically change the power balances in the world.
1642  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 05, 2013, 06:59:42 AM
Going back to the "mike from ebay" thing: nightowlace story didn't seem a lie to me, I was just amazed that he did not ask more info (last name and position) to the guy making the questions - now I see he did.

Nevertheless, I still cannot understand how Paypal/Ebay could be seriously thinking about integrating Bitcoin - it's totally against their interests. Come on: irreversible transfers, decentralized currency, pseudoanonymity? It's a Paypal antagonist, I really cannot see how they could support BTC, it is completely opposite to their philosophy - in fact, aren't Paypal and Ebay jerking around with people dealing with BTC?

As I said when I saw the CEO of Paypal speaking about BTC: I'm very sure those guys are looking closely to BTC, but IMO they would develop their own proprietary crypto, they wouldn't embrace BTC as it is.
1643  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to backup Google Authenticator? on: September 04, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
Print the QR code and store it in a safe place. Before activating 2-fa check that the QR you printed can be scanned by GA.
1644  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 04, 2013, 11:13:23 PM
But does "mike" from eBay has a last name and position in the company or is he just a customer care guy who collects "user feedback" regarding a strategic issue with profound implications as it would be the adoption of an universal, decentralized currency which also happens to be a "PayPal killer"?
1645  Economy / Speculation / Re: I want to trust one of you who tells me, buy now and sell now. Nothing more. on: September 04, 2013, 11:07:28 PM
Chances are that Bitcoin will grow exponentially in the years to come - that's the trend, and fixed allocation will cost you a lot of coins on the way up. Would you care to backtest the fixed allocation strategy since Gox opened trading in 2010 till today, and compare it with buy&hold?

"Invest in BTC as much money as you could comfortably lose" is the best simple advice you could have given to anyone in the last years, and I do not see that changing anytime soon. Obviously this is a volatile market and I do think we will test again $100 sooner than later, so Id recommend buying gradually, but the end goal in my book is to accumulate as much coins as possible - fixed allocation kills that purpose.

For the faint of heart, day trading is just a very expensive gambling, not only because the market is very small and thus volatility wild and unpredictable, but also because of huge fees and slippage.
1646  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 04, 2013, 10:46:40 PM
If only you guys just received the call I did. I would be buying if I were you.

"Adam, this is Mike from eBay and we would like it if you could call me back. As a seller of bitcoin on eBay we would love to get some feedback and input about your experience with bitcoin as we work to incorporate it into eBay"

After I called him back and we had a nice discussion he closed the phone call with "well we are just trying to wrap ourselves around it and want to try and stay ahead of the curve just like I think most larger corporations are right now, thank you for your time."

For any doubters my eBay user name is Jamsolid101 you can see that I was a very active seller of Casascius coins. I imagine contacting their users who actively sold bitcoins on ebay is the first step in their leading upto determining whether or not to actually incorporate it.

There may be some bounces coming but if eBay signs on for BTC there is one very large very green upward movement coming.

You heard it here first. 9/4/2013 eBay is moving toward utilizing and/or allowing bitcoins to freely be bought and sold and/or incorporating it as a payment method via PayPal.

"Mike" from EBay asking you about the anonymous cash of the interwebz? And you didn't ask him his last name and position in the company?

Sounds good btw
1647  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: Do not upgrade Google Authenticator (iPhone), you will loose keys! on: September 04, 2013, 09:30:47 PM
I thought the secret code/QR code would recover any "lost" google auth issues.

So as long as I have a backup of the QR code used to generate a working Google Authenticator token... it really doesn't matter what Google does, I can always get some copy of Authenticator from somewhere at some time and I can simply rescan and log in to Bitstamp or Mt. Gox, or whatever...

Is this a correct assessment?

Yes it is. In fact you should have a paper backup (just print the QR code) of ALL your Google Auth tokens.
1648  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: September 04, 2013, 06:31:43 PM


Not looking good. This is an Illiquid and inneficient market: big spreads, huge slippage for medium volumes, crazy high trading fees, withdrawal issues..
1649  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OFFICIAL LAUNCH: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: September 04, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
True. It's like a MASSIVE premine. No altcoin would survive if 30% of ALL coins were premined.
Are you smoking drugs again?  J.R. paid for his shares same as you and I.  He threw $120,000 at the project and you call him a bum.  They ought to take you coins away from you and give them to the first person who hacks your computer and changes your desktop color to pink.  Numbnuts.

As far as I know the exodus address is controlled exclusively by J.R., so he sent $120,000 in BTC to an address he controls. Funds are supposed to be used for bounties and project development, but again the hard cold fact is that those funds are "in his pocket", at least at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I repeat again that I invested in Mastercoin and I trust J.R., but someone needs to play devil's advocate.
1650  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OFFICIAL LAUNCH: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: September 04, 2013, 03:20:45 PM
Tachikoma, you think you can implement this?

It's on the todo-list. The main problem is that this is actually very hard to figure out because there are different cases to account for.

If you want to check the balance of your account and you did not buy from the Exodus address I first need to backtrace the transactions to your address. I need to make sure that address _did_ buy from the Exodus address and that at the time he did the transaction to your address he actually held enough Mastercoins for the transaction. This is not an easy feat when you consider the tons of data that are in the bitcoin blockchain and the fact that ever Mastercoin transaction is pretty much virtual and might not or might have happened based on how a client implements these cases.

I think the foundation needs to set up some test vectors to make sure every implementation of the protocol works exactly the same or else you might have 100 Mastercoins using one client and zero using an other.  

Parsing the block chain for MasterCoin transactions and tracing their ownership though various protocol events is easily the hardest piece of work. Hopefully it helps that all MasterCoin addresses "mention" the exodus address with a tiny output - that should make them significantly easier to find Smiley

Also, I'm holding my MasterCoins as a long-term investment. I might have to diversify someday, but you need not worry about me dumping MasterCoins onto the market any time soon.  I've gotten several PMs asking me to sell them some of my personal stash (because people trust me to get the details of the send right), but I've been sending those folks to the buyer/seller thread.

If I take an action which impacts the market, it will probably be an upward impact. The MasterCoin Foundation needs some MasterCoins (to use for bounties when people would rather have MasterCoins than bitcoins), so we may use some project funds to purchase MasterCoins on the open market at some point Wink

I do not doubt of your good will and honesty, that's why I invested in your project. I understand what you say regarding an "upward impact" - the fact Satoshi is holding tight to each and every coin of his +1M stash is for sure one of the reasons Bitcoin has historically only gone up. In fact, I can tell you that discovering "the founder" didn't move a single coin from his stash, even during rallies and bubbles, was some of the things that fascinated me when I first learnt about Bitcoin.

On the contrary, I always believed that the day in which those "first mined" coins start to move, there will be a lot of panic and dumping going on, unless the transfers and movements are minimal. If large amounts of Satoshi's coins suddenly move, it will probably not be a good sign at all. I always thought that if he had sold his coins during the 2011 bubble, probably the "this is a ponzi" crowd (Nagle et all) would have had much more credit among the community and the world in general.

What I mean with the above is that by holding such an insane share of Mastercoins, you have a very big responsibility. I guess Satoshi understood that and decided to just hold. The project might be open source, other devs might make it huge, but still the fact remains that one single person (you) holds 30% of the total coins in circulation (which BTW in proportion is much more than Satoshi's holdings in relation to the total BTC supply). That's "total power" and "total control" for one single person, and an honest concern for every new investor.

I trust you, but to be honest when I've been asked about Mastercoins, among the few drawbacks I included "one single person holds 30% of them". I will keep saying that to whoever asks me an opinion about the project - not because I do not trust you, just because it is a hard cold fact.
1651  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: New Mystery about Satoshi on: September 04, 2013, 01:13:09 PM
Fascinating research as usual, Sergio.

Going back to your first research (the one that proved that Satoshi is holding to aprox. 1M Bitcoins that never moved) I think somebody should write a script that immediately sends a warning if some of those coins are transferred… That would be probably the best time to dump everything and run for cover! Cheesy
1652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OFFICIAL LAUNCH: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: September 04, 2013, 10:39:36 AM
Yeah, I don't see this as premine either.  JR put in his investment very early in the month to maximize his take of bonus mastercoins.  However, this left the rest of the month for anyone to contribute and buy coins.  Technically, had enough purchased coins, his percentage could have also ended up as 1%.  Either way, nothing I've come across about JR and his viewpoints screams "nefarious". If this coin develops and performs as intended, not just mastercoin but also bitcoin stands to gain considerably.  Don't let this be a distraction from the other issues, like whether or not the escrows will function properly.

Nefarious or not, it remains a fact that JR holdings are so big that he "owns" the market. What he does with his 30% share of the market will deeply affect price.

1653  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 04, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/624b263dcf

that is real price for first september batch buyers from eu.

glad i have sold shares Smiley

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/6dd76c6ce6

Mine looks good. The biggest problem with your calculation is you used BTC for price of hardware. 90 BTC.
Just want to know where you got 90 from? Because in-order to have paid 90 BTC, the exchange price would've had to been at $70. It hasn't been at $70 for quite some time now so... dumb or just starting shit? Roll Eyes

Wasn't it around 70$ when he ordered?

no, 5 june 2013, 15:53
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zczsg2013-06-05zeg2013-06-05ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
120$/btc

add VAT 23%
add shipping Smiley
add fee



So...

7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 (shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) = 8860 / $120 = 73.8BTC

Nowhere near 90 BTC.

Yep, 70ish BTC is also the figure I'm considering from the very first minute to calculate ROI. I paid in $$, but you know, the right way to calculate the return is to see if you at least recoup the same amount of coins you could have bought with your $$ when you placed the order. The miners are still profitable, but honestly is not looking very good. If they are only a couple of weeks late, it will be hard to reach break-even.

Do not forget that all those calculators consider 100% uptime, which never happens. Calculating 90% to 95% uptime is much more reasonable, I'd recommend to insert 360GH/s as hashrate for a 400GH/s unit in order to factor possible downtime.

Sorry i messed up.
miner was ordered 8.06.2013 with price 108$


7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 (shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) = 8860 / $120 = 73.8BTC

Nowhere near 90 BTC.

7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) + 886$ 10% group buy fee = 9746$ / $108 = 90BTC




Buying such an expensive, proffesional gear, as a consumer really sucks, because you will have to pay VAT and you won't be able to recoup it, which is a profit killer. IMO a $7k miner is not a consumer product at all, it should be bought by a registered company so you can recoup the VAT - or in case the registered company is in the EU, you won't be charged any VAT at all.

you have to pay vat in your domestic country anyway
you can substract it after if you have invoices from your customers

so paid vat upwards - customer sales vat = real vat you have to count

If you are in the EU, not at all. Sweden is an EU company, and any EU registered company is considered an intra-community operator - you can buy and sell goods without any VAT between EU registered companies.

Because of my work I constantly deal with EU companies and I can guarantee you that there is no VAT in anything I buy/sell in the EU. In fact, my KNC miners have 0% VAT on the invoice.

1654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 04, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Wow. Just woke up, saw a .5k askwall on 145, went to the can, came back and it was eaten. Volume back to a trickle again.

Some whale(s) is a control freak.

what whale? The biggest buy was 300ish BTC, and in the last hour the total volume is roughly 1k BTC. Those are not whales, those are mice.
1655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 04, 2013, 10:29:25 AM
why 450 GH/s?
real is 400 GH/s
please stop unicorn dreaming

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/86741a2c2a

So lemme ask again. How did you come to pay 90 BTC for one miner? You're a groupbuyer are you not?

Did you like buy 100% shares of a full miner and then paid the 10% groupbuy fee/other fees as well?

no, i have bought some mining shares (with vat, shipping, group buy guy fee)
but i have sold them



Group buys of expensive professional items should be handled by companies, giving away +20% in VAT is just crazy.
1656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 04, 2013, 10:27:32 AM
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/624b263dcf

that is real price for first september batch buyers from eu.

glad i have sold shares Smiley

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/6dd76c6ce6

Mine looks good. The biggest problem with your calculation is you used BTC for price of hardware. 90 BTC.
Just want to know where you got 90 from? Because in-order to have paid 90 BTC, the exchange price would've had to been at $70. It hasn't been at $70 for quite some time now so... dumb or just starting shit? Roll Eyes

Wasn't it around 70$ when he ordered?

no, 5 june 2013, 15:53
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zczsg2013-06-05zeg2013-06-05ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
120$/btc

add VAT 23%
add shipping Smiley
add fee



So...

7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 (shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) = 8860 / $120 = 73.8BTC

Nowhere near 90 BTC.

Yep, 70ish BTC is also the figure I'm considering from the very first minute to calculate ROI. I paid in $$, but you know, the right way to calculate the return is to see if you at least recoup the same amount of coins you could have bought with your $$ when you placed the order. The miners are still profitable, but honestly is not looking very good. If they are only a couple of weeks late, it will be hard to reach break-even.

Do not forget that all those calculators consider 100% uptime, which never happens. Calculating 90% to 95% uptime is much more reasonable, I'd recommend to insert 360GH/s as hashrate for a 400GH/s unit in order to factor possible downtime.

Sorry i messed up.
miner was ordered 8.06.2013 with price 108$


7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 (shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) = 8860 / $120 = 73.8BTC

Nowhere near 90 BTC.

7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) + 886$ 10% group buy fee = 9746$ / $108 = 90BTC




Buying such an expensive, proffesional gear, as a consumer really sucks, because you will have to pay VAT and you won't be able to recoup it, which is a profit killer. IMO a $7k miner is not a consumer product at all, it should be bought by a registered company so you can recoup the VAT - or in case the registered company is in the EU, you won't be charged any VAT at all.
1657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 04, 2013, 09:40:36 AM
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/624b263dcf

that is real price for first september batch buyers from eu.

glad i have sold shares Smiley

http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/6dd76c6ce6

Mine looks good. The biggest problem with your calculation is you used BTC for price of hardware. 90 BTC.
Just want to know where you got 90 from? Because in-order to have paid 90 BTC, the exchange price would've had to been at $70. It hasn't been at $70 for quite some time now so... dumb or just starting shit? Roll Eyes

Wasn't it around 70$ when he ordered?

no, 5 june 2013, 15:53
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zczsg2013-06-05zeg2013-06-05ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
120$/btc

add VAT 23%
add shipping Smiley
add fee



So...

7000 (miner) + 1610 (vat) + 150 (shipping + 50-100 (bitcoin fees?) = 8860 / $120 = 73.8BTC

Nowhere near 90 BTC.

Yep, 70ish BTC is also the figure I'm considering from the very first minute to calculate ROI. I paid in $$, but you know, the right way to calculate the return is to see if you at least recoup the same amount of coins you could have bought with your $$ when you placed the order. The miners are still profitable, but honestly is not looking very good. If they are only a couple of weeks late, it will be hard to reach break-even.

Do not forget that all those calculators consider 100% uptime, which never happens. Calculating 90% to 95% uptime is much more reasonable, I'd recommend to insert 360GH/s as hashrate for a 400GH/s unit in order to factor possible downtime.
1658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OFFICIAL LAUNCH: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: September 04, 2013, 07:47:06 AM
Isn't the fact that the OP holds roughly 30% of the Mastercoins in circulation a big concern? His course of action (holding or selling) will drive market price.

One more question: will the bounties for the developers be denominated in BTC or Mastercoins? I think it would be cool to give Mastercoins to spread them in more hands while helping broader adoption.
1659  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: September 03, 2013, 07:10:44 PM
I just checked the MasterCoinAdvisor to get a first deal started. I think I know how to send some mastercoins, but I'm not sure how I can check if the transaction was successful.
Any suggestion on this?

You and the seller should both agree on what the transaction should look like in the block chain. Once you see it show up (and assuming they didn't send the coins to someone else first!), you own the coins. There is a website for checking these transactions, but I'm told it doesn't handle valid transactions which have bitcoin change coming back to the sender. You can try that here: http://mastercoin.bysh.me:3000/


Can you confirm that there were mastercoins transferred in this transaction? How much?
http://blockchain.info/de/tx/4cad027f03f984d7745c077820617318c7553a90ca64be56e78217fc18cf4ea5



It looks to me that 1.3 Mastercoins were transferred in that transaction? That info should be in the hash of the data address (http://blockchain.info/de/address/1EwzPMJan18uaTVWSJtKYJk5H6NnVyiRqp) - if I got it right the amount transferred is 0x7bfa480 or 1.3 Mastercoins.
1660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: MasterCoin Buyer/Seller Thread on: September 03, 2013, 06:21:55 PM
Great! I'll buy up to 1000 Mastercoins.
If anyone is interested, please PM me.
No problem MaxMint - I'll sell 1000 Master.  Please send 1000BTC to 175MZLma8u6MnLrHSMTapCR57eiioSWcUW. Transfer will be made immediately in accordance with the instructions provided by dacoinminister.  Thanks.

Tom

Mmm.. So you have 1000 Mastercoins, meaning you sent 10BTC to the Exodus address? Before asking 1000BTC to be sent to your address you could at least prove you OWN 1,000 Mastercoins, right?

You can prove you won 1,000 Mastercoins by signing a message with the address from which you sent 10 or more BTC to the Exodus address.
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