I think that comes in UK, right? You may check these websites. You can buy Bitcoins online in UK through these: https://bitbargain.co.uk/https://bitcoin.co.uk/Or you can buy them from Localbitcoins.com as well. Use any of them you deem suitable for your trade. |
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The comment was made in 2017, well before the merit system was introduced. Some one necrobumped the thread and revived it from the dead.
And this is the guy behind that  How can i improve my account status?  You can start by looking at this topic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.0You can gain 14 activity points in 2 weeks at max. You'll become a hero member when you have 480 act. points. Means, If you post 1 message to the board every day, you'll be a hero in *9-10 16 months. *math mistake my bad Did roger ver call us poor folks? Bumping a spam thread from past with a totally off-topic and useless comment. P.S: Sorry for quoting all the posts. It is for the reference that the posts this guy @ezehy2014 replied to are very old. |
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I actually liked the idea, but that, in my opinion, won't change a lot of things. We (or you, as you have started this) are talking about the spammers that have already surpassed the levels before the Merit system was implemented, and as we all know that every account have received Merits according to their rank at the initial Merit distribution, and thus they got half of that amount as sMerits to send to others. So if a person (a spammer, more particularly) had more than 1 accounts in higher ranks, they all must have received Merits as well, which they would probably use to Merit their own accounts in order to bypass this change as well.
Sending only 1 Merit to your own alt won't really make you suspicious, but receiving just 1 Merit would surely make you safe from the change that we are discussing right now. So if the spammers start exchanging 1 Merit between their accounts, they will all be able to tackle this change too.
So maybe something quite more effective should be done. Something that should not let the spammers skip it at any cost.
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I think we should have a special ignore option. Any post or thread title that contains the word "merit" can be put on ignore.  The ignore button for user accounts works just fine for that purpose. Threads and posts containing complains or baseless improvement tips for the system are supposed to be deleted ASAP. After all, we don't want Bitcoin Talk to become a meritocracy.
It has become one already IMO. The gang (you know who! Everyone does.) has done everything to make it one, and the success rate is quite surprising in that regard. ... let them sink in one thread, even this thread is just another thread that should be there and not new topic
Are you guys ignoring it or you just don't notice? If that thread could stop people from creating more topics about the same topic then we would have never seen the flood of merit related threads in every section of the forum right after the day that thread (Merit & new rank requirements) was posted by theymos. People don't just post their questions in that thread and get satisfied by that. They ask useless questions in that thread too, along with a new thread in any section of this forum, for they don't know where to post it exactly. |
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Noobs ask questions, others say that the merit system is unfair because they can't collect much money from ico as junior members or members forever, other noobs say #me_too, and you find some others trying to help them figure out things that could be found in OP but they are too lazy to figure it out... End of the story.
The story won't end unless that thread is locked away. That is what I'm saying that noobs ask useless questions and to answer those questions other users start repeating the exact same things written in OP which makes no sense at all. If the thread is locked, those noobs won't have a chance to ask anything there nor others will have any reason to reply. After getting banned once, I decided it was dangerous to keep trying on bitcointalk without reading the ToS... so I actually read it. Then I read the "unofficial rules." Learned so much.
This forum is actually different from other forums. You can get banned for posting, "wow that's hot." In a reply. It's not really a forum, and people will realize that soon enough.
Some things will never change. Older users will get the things and the new comers after them will keep the tradition going again. I wish every new user had the same thoughts like you, but that is never gonna happen. Why that thread should be locked it's very useful thread and i guess it's very much a likely topic for forum members to discuss.
As a bitcointalk fan i personally didn't want any thread to be locked until it become useless or it's a spam.
A thread doesn't get useless if it is locked. Locking is not like deleting where the thread gets removed forever, and I'm saying it should be pinned so that anyone visiting this section should be able to see and read it. Besides, the things that were meant to be discussed had been discussed at the starting, and now that thread merely gets any proper discussion from anyone. You can find nothing else but spam if you check the last few pages of it. |
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Hi Guys, This is to share my thoughts on this matter. 1. Merit is to promote quality post. a. I agree. Post is reviewed for it to be counted as an Activity? why add an additional Merit? a1. Unfair to the newbie that came to this forum for knowledge and possible earn. Those guys who have been earlier were not required to have this to ranked up. 2. How will you that merits are given only to those with quality post? a. How will you know that merit are given only to those that deserve it. What if they give it for some other purpose like selling them, or they give it to people they know who doesn't deserve it. 3. How will you compel to who have merit to give to give it out? Sorry I just feel that the merit system is unjust. Bitcoin is the foundation of our forum. Being decentralized is one of the best features of bitcoin. Adding Merit feels like we are centralizing power to those who are on top!!..   |
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2. Even if a spammer or a account farmer up voted a post other people can down vote it. So total votes will be based on majority. Spamming will be harder.
How much does it cost to make an account? Nothing What kind of email validation do we use? Nothing The majority will be the account farmers and spammers. The legitimate users like myself would be drowned out. People would use their army of accounts to down vote their competition. :/ That is exactly what my point was by this: 1.Replacing the merit system with "Up vote & Down vote" or "Positive & Negative karma" system like in Reddit and Steemit will be the most wise decision.
2.Every member(or higher than jr.member) should be allowed to up vote or down vote a post or a reply.
Yeah! So that people with hundreds of accounts start spamming the threads with up & down votes as there are not limits on creating accounts on the forum and there should be no restrictions for anyone as per your solution. I think there can be no better way of spoiling the forum than this. |
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After locking the topic, what's next? Lots of new topics related to merits will be created, won't they? There are also abundant spam topics which discussed about merit system. We don't need more such a useless topic. Discussions on merit system and its effects, drawbacks, suggestion to improve it, etc. Should be all there.
We can report those topics started before or after doing that. And we are not talking about useful discussions, drawbacks or suggestions here, but we are talking about redundant spam posts popping up every now and then contributing nothing to the cause. I think it should be stopped. |
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The thread is excessively over-flooded with useless posts. There are no proper discussions going on in that thread, nor there is any need of a discussion in there I guess. The first post of the thread carries the information that a user needs to know about the system, other than that, there is nothing useful in there. The thread has become a place for people to post utterly useless posts like "I need merits", "Merit is good", "Explain merit to me" etcetra.
Thus, I think, it would be better to just lock the thread and pin it there. So that anyone willing to know about the system can open it and read the OP and just leave without leaving his not-needed feedback in there too.
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1. Anyone cannot log in to 100 accounts from one IP address.
They can, as long as their ip address is not banned from the forum for scamming or something like that. And even if the ip is banned, if it is not a perma-ban, it can be removed after paying a small amount of Bitcoins. 2. I don't mention any telegram group because it is outside this forum. People have right to do anything outside this forum. But i know few.
If you think that people have the right to do the wrong things in the forum just by discussing them outside the forum then you shouldn't have mentioned that point in your post. It doesn't matter if where they discuss it, if it is done in the forum after all the discussion is done, then I don't think anyone would think or say "They have the right to do it outside the forum.", because they plan it outside, but they do it inside. So that quite doesn't make sense IMO. 3. The proposed system is not perfect. But it can make better by discussing.
No offense, but I really doubt that. The merit system is not just implemented after a day of discussion. There must have been some really deep thoughts and discussions behind that, and I really believe it is doing what it is intended to, and there is no need of change right now. 4. We can allow voting to ranks higher than Jr.member or member.
You said it yourself that there are spammers having accounts in higher ranks from before the Merit system. So that doesn't make it stop even if members above Jr. rank are allowed to do so. We know there are still plenty of accounts in higher ranks which don't really deserve to be there. But right now, they are stopped where they were at the implementation of Merit system. Proposing a system of up vote & down vote will make them useful for them again. |
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1.Most of the scammers who adopted earlier in to the Bitcointalk forum now has higher ranked accounts. They are not being punished by the merit system. Now may be they use their higher rank accounts to farm more accounts by giving smerits.
People giving sMerits to their own accounts are tagged by DT members upon complaining. There are threads for revealing such actions, and if you see any, you can report them their so that they can be tagged. And also, such actions wont last long as they will soon run out of Merits because of the fact that you get 1 sMerit for 2 Merits you get. So even if they keep exchanging them to each other, they will run out pretty soon. 2.I have seen lot of useless posts of higher rank members, which have been received lot of merits. (I think all of you must have noticed that.) .
Most of the people who have smerits give their smerits only to higher rank members (with the hope of getting merits back) without considering the quality of the post.
If you don't believe, Please check past posts of members with many merit points, you will find some of them have received hundreds of merits without sending at least one constructive post.
Again, if you see something suspicious, just report it. Just because some people are misusing the system, it doesn't mean the system is useless. 3. I've seen many very good posts by Jr.members which haven't received merits. Most people doesn't care about newbies and Jr.members because they have no smerits to give merit back.
It is not always about caring, but not all Merit carrying people can read all the constructive posts every day. I know that there are a lot of constructive posts that are not Merited, but that is only because of the crowd we have in the forum these days. Many constructive posts are not seen by most of the people because of the so many replies after them. Now people don't really open up all the pages to find the merit worthy posts and merit them, but they do it with the ones they come across. 5. There are telegram groups where people share their merits. If you don't believe please do some research.
Would you mind mentioning a few? We would really like to see the discussions happening in those groups. 6. 2 merits = 1 smerit rule is fundamentally slowing down the merit system.
It is not slowing it down, but it is preventing spammers from over-using the Merits they have got after the Merit distribution. If someone could get 1 sMerit for 1 Merit received, the system would have been totally useless as anyone could use even 1 Merit to rank up all his accounts by exchanging it between them again & again. 1. Ranking up is not essential because Bitcointalk is not for doing signature campaigns. (So then why 80% of members do it??? The funny fact is some people tell that while doing a signature campaign.  ) Signature campaigns are a bonus for users. As long as someone is not running 10 to 20 accounts joining so many signature campaigns to earn money, it is not a bad thing. 2. Post more posts then you will be rewarded. ( Most of us cannot post more than 3 good posts per day because we cannot be here all day.  ) It is not important to post too many posts to get Merits. Even if you post 3 to 5 posts a day, then at least make them constructive enough to attract some readers. And even if 2 of your posts get Merited, you are done for the day. 1.Replacing the merit system with "Up vote & Down vote" or "Positive & Negative karma" system like in Reddit and Steemit will be the most wise decision.
2.Every member(or higher than jr.member) should be allowed to up vote or down vote a post or a reply.
Yeah! So that people with hundreds of accounts start spamming the threads with up & down votes as there are not limits on creating accounts on the forum and there should be no restrictions for anyone as per your solution. I think there can be no better way of spoiling the forum than this. 5. Every good post will be rewarded.
Rewarded with useless up or down votes? That is exactly what will happen if a system like that is implemented where every single person is allowed to contribute. It will be an heck of a system for spammers to play around the forum. The forum will become the play-ground of spammers. |
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If you are looking for short term, bitcoin is the always best one.In the crypto currency,bitcoin is the only coin best for short term. If you are looking for long term, then many of the altcoin is available in
I think you changed the references. Bitcoin actually is not recommended for short-term investments as it mostly stays way more stable at points than other cryptocurrencies, which as a result won't earn you what you want from it in short-term. People use Bitcoin for long-term investments because they believe it will eventually override its current value and will be worth more in a later time. So if someone is looking for short-term profits they might want to trade altcoins which keep changing their values every day, even every hour in some cases. If done precisely, someone can earn a good amount every day with altcoin trading. |
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And what are the odds of you not reversing your transaction (known as chargeback I reckon) and running away with the Bitcoins transacted to you? That is a very common exercise by paypal sellers and I have seen a lot of victims of this.
So anyone finalizing a deal like this, must be very cautious, as it can turn anytime against you.
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I'm not afraid of that as long as I know I'm getting involved in something trustworthy, which by no mean would use my personal information negatively. Though I also wish it doesn't get implemented on everything like exchanges and all. Right now we feel like we are free to do our financial works with cryptocurrencies without anyone knowing about it, but once every single service starts to implement KYC requirements, it will just be like using a bank where everyone working in there knows about my activities. But that doesn't bother me as long as my activities are not shady, so it is not a big problem for me, but still, I like it more right now, without KYC.
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so if miners want to stop transaction which has passed 3 confirmations it nearly impossible for them?
only if it hasn't passed 3 confirnations they have the ability to stop it from being confirmed?
I'm not exactly sure about how many confirmations it requires to get out of their reach, but yeah, the more confirmations it gets, the more difficult it gets for them to stop it. |
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Well, I think people would say they use it for its features even if they don't. It would really make you look (somehow) bad to say you are using Bitcoin just for earning money but not for the advantages it offers.
I personally use it for both to be honest. I've always been a fan of trading, whether it is done with Bitcoin or any other currency, but since it is the best option, so I use Bitcoin for that. And, I love using Bitcoin because of its features as well. The fees, transactions times (though they are annoying sometimes when the market is flooded with them) and the fact of keeping money without letting anyone know about them just made it look totally different from what the world has seen before it, and I think that played a really big role in the success of Bitcoin besides its price volatility that attracted investors of course.
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We all know that a transaction only gets confirmation if the miners put it in their block in order to get the fees paid as reward for that. So, the only scenario where a transaction can be stopped or not let pass the chain is if a person/group has access to 51% of all mining power that exists. With that, they can stop transactions from being confirmed as they probably have more mining power than any other miner so they get prioritized because of that, and no matter how large the fees are for the transaction, if they don't want it to get confirmed, they can stop it. But still, it is not 100% sure to happen, but it is possible, and with that much mining power, the chances are very high.
I have no knowledge about your second question for tracing a transaction. So I won't even attempt to answer that. Someone else with more knowledge about that might give you a more clear answer for that.
P.S: I think this discussion belongs to Bitcoin Discussion section as it is not about legality, but about blockchain and Bitcoin itself. You should move it to that section.
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Though harmful, but this is still not as much dangerous as it can be if the exchange itself gets compromised, and we have seen that happening before as well with quite well-to-do exchanges. People surely have to keep their funds out of the exchanges whenever they are done with trading, everyday. Keeping your funds in an exchange for the purpose of trading again can cause you a big loss if something happens within the exchange.
One way of being safe from phishing attacks is using the mobile applications of the exchanges. You will face no such problems with the app as there you are not opening a website which minimizes the risk of your credentials being stolen.
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Very simple answers to your article like post.
Did Satoshi ask people to invest in Bitcoin in order to get profit out of it? No!
Does Bitcoin itself promise high returns on investments? No!
Thus, Bitcoin is by far not a ponzi scheme or whatever you call it. About other cryptos, some of them can relate to your arguments, but not all indeed.
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