ISIS impregnates 9-year-old girl

[Balthazar]

Sorry to tell Sithara: Most of these worst people are brainwashed when they are kids and many of them are sleeper cells. It is hard to find them and even if could, it is hard to educate them. Their heart will be frozen and they will be like robots. Only accept commands from master and nothing is accepted from others.

I don't stick with "atom bombing". It will kill many innocents. I am sure there is another way but I guess, by the time we found better way, it will be too late.

Hunting them down one by one may would be entertaining, but that would take a lot of time and resources and we would end up with more extremist across the muslim world. Actually until today only the Mongolians were able to deal with large numbers of fanatics and pacify these areas, perhaps we should learn from them .

 

[Muhammed Zakir]

Another noble deed in the name of the God by the religion of Peace.

Hope they burn in hell, these monsters.

(Where's Ironman when you need him the most)

Why guys twist things? It was 10 sex rapers who did and it is not in the name of Islam. They did it for self satisfaction. In fact, Islam was the religion which abolished killing femal infants, bad sexial attitude towards female etc... Please don't mix action of people with religion. You can't even find a verse telling to rape a woman in Qur'an.

well also if islam isn't telling them to do it, it still "allows" them to do it and they still do it IN THE NAME of that religion. And expain me: Why is ISLAM ALLOWING child marriages? Look @ yemen, saudi arabia and the other islamic countries. And explain why authorities had nearly never taken any action against married girl's families or husbands?? I don't wanna know the number of unknown cases... but i am sure there are thousands of similar cases in the islamic world. And yes, its a huge difference if somebody rapes a child, and is officially declared as a pedophillic raper and gets into jail (europe/US/western counties) or if the law (sharia) simply allows you to "rape"(marry) underaged children with the religion (ISLAM) being a principle of law.


just some of the articles i ve read:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/09/14/yemen.childbirth.death/index.html?_s=PM:HEALTH
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213168/Fawziya-Abdullah-Youssef-dies-labour-Child-bride-12-dies-Yemen-struggling-birth-THREE-days.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/yemengirl.asp
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/sep/11/yemen-child-bride-dies-wedding

Have you looked more into Yemeni child marriages? There are Christians, Jews etc..., not just Muslims. They aren't outlawing just because of Islam, it is tribal actions.

A person can marry a physically and mentally matured girl. However, if she don't like it, they shouldn't force her to marry. Even if Islam allows to marry a physically and mentally matured girl, Islam tells to find a good bride which suits her better and not to force it.

The countries you tell makes their rules. They have made many rules wich Islam hasn't told, for example, imprisoning a man who drink alcoholic drinks without license or in public.

See this:

CHILD BRIDES: A GLOBAL ISSUE

CHILD BRIDES: A GLOBAL ISSUE




Jewish girl wears golden ceremonial dress and gold and silver jewelry necklaces traditionally worn by Jewish brides in Yemen.

Despite numerous  campaigns from many of the world's largest charities and NGOs, the issue of child brides remains a global concern.

There are currently some 57.5 million child brides across the world, 40 per cent of which married in India.

Forty-six per cent of women in India were married before the age of 18, according to the National Family Health Survey-3.

Meanwhile, in Africa, 42 per cent of girls were married before turning 18 compared to 29 per cent in Latin America and the Caribbean.

But the number of child brides is estimated to rise to 140 million by 2020 if current trends continue, 18.5 million of which will be under 15 years old, analysts warn.

Statistics show that girls living in poor households are almost twice as likely to marry before 18 than girls in higher income households.

'It was not fair at all and the marriage should not have happened even if some tribes believe that it is a good custom.'

The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has attracted the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages.

Yemen's gripping poverty plays a role in hindering efforts to stamp out the practice, as poor families find themselves unable to say no to 'bride-prices' that can be hundreds of dollars for their daughters.

Tribal custom also plays a role, including the belief that a young bride can be shaped into an obedient wife, bear more children and be kept away from temptation.

Destaye’s wedding wasn’t what she had always dreamed of. She wasn’t celebrating her union with the man she loved.

She was 11 years old, being forced to marry Addisu, a 23-year-old Ethiopian Orthodox priest who had chosen her to be his wife because she was young enough to ensure that she would still be a virgin. That day, she felt ashamed.

Worldwide, by 2010, about 67 million women 20 to 24 years old had been married before they were 18, according to the Population Fund. Child marriage is found in all regions of the world but is most common in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, both proportionally and in count. Most countries, including Ethiopia, have laws preventing it, but most of them do not enforce those laws.

[Spendulus]

That's the solution you guys have for everything isn't it?

I'm in favor of destroying ISIS by nuclear bomb or whatever.  They have already destroyed cultural legacy of middle east by their attacks on libraries and ancient sculptures. They are killing innocent humans mostly Muslims and at the same time Islam and peaceful Muslims around the globe are targetted by media.
Most of established Islamic countries are fighting against so called "Islamic" militants including my  country Pakistan. The war against Taliban have killed 60,000 Muslim civilians so far.
These militants represent a very small percentage 0.01% of 1.7 billion Muslims and I myself living in a militancy hit province of Pakistan know that they are not fighting for Islam. They are funded by Foreign Powers for terrorism in muslim countries.

ISIS is indeed odd and singular if you look at it against military history.  They seem to be continually outdoing themselves to find the absolute worse most horrible and cruel actions.

[Lethn]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people, they also don't operate under any real rules despite what they claim, this is a power play and they simply have no problem being as violent as they like to anybody in order to achieve this. This is simply the true face of empire building and what it looks like, the only difference is a lot of what the other powers does is behind closed doors, while granted, they don't execute people ( much ) in the end political opponents tend to either end up dead or in jail or caught doing something equally horrible.

I suppose the biggest difference between ISIS and the rest of us, is we've evolved in the way we've dispatched people yet they're sticking to the medieval scripture they follow to do it instead, if you ever wanted to see what the middle east is like during the crusades I guess this would be it.

[Spendulus]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

[Lethn]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Dunno, I am an Anarchist, so I find it easier to see the parellels

[abyrnes81]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Dunno, I am an Anarchist, so I find it easier to see the parellels

Are you a real anarchist? I don't believe you  . See something about anarchism ....

[Snail2]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people, they also don't operate under any real rules despite what they claim, this is a power play and they simply have no problem being as violent as they like to anybody in order to achieve this. This is simply the true face of empire building and what it looks like, the only difference is a lot of what the other powers does is behind closed doors, while granted, they don't execute people ( much ) in the end political opponents tend to either end up dead or in jail or caught doing something equally horrible.

I suppose the biggest difference between ISIS and the rest of us, is we've evolved in the way we've dispatched people yet they're sticking to the medieval scripture they follow to do it instead, if you ever wanted to see what the middle east is like during the crusades I guess this would be it.

By numbers and destruction they are not even close to most of the conquerors across history. The difference is in the information flow. We've heard only stories about the deeds of the romans, huns, mongolians, etc. This one is happening almost real-time in our living room thanks to the media coverage.

[Lethn]

Are you a real anarchist? I don't believe you  . See something about anarchism ....

LOL Anarchists bicker amongst themselves about who the 'real' Anarchists are, socialists/communists would tell you they're the real Anarchists and capitalists can't be Anarchists, I just consider Anarchism to be what it's described as, without rulers, as long as there's no hierarchy enforcing it's will on other people through violence I'd be pretty happy but that's pretty much all society is made up of right now.

By numbers and destruction they are not even close to most of the conquerors across history. The difference is in the information flow. We've heard only stories about the deeds of the romans, huns, mongolians, etc. This one is happening almost real-time in our living room thanks to the media coverage.  

Exactly snail2, that's what I'm saying as well, it's far more shocking to see it all on unfold and that's how the Jihadists like it, they want to scare the fuck out of you, in the same way our own leaders use constant streams of information about murder and crime to scare the fuck out of all of us even though when you actually look at the statistics there haven't actually really been as many homicides etc. as they're making out to be.

If the world was really all that bad, we'd be screwed right now but that just shows you how much people are all turning on ISIS in the end.

[Sithara007]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

[Spendulus]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

We are in agreement.  I was talking about consideration of the moral, ethical and cultural questions relative to the atrocities - saying "Okay, I figured this out.  Now let's kill the bastards."

Developing a cohesive and systematic plan to do that efficiently would be a matter for nations as well as individuals, and would take possibly years.  The Geneva Convention does not apply to ISIS.

[Pentax]

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

We are in agreement.  I was talking about consideration of the moral, ethical and cultural questions relative to the atrocities - saying "Okay, I figured this out.  Now let's kill the bastards."

Developing a cohesive and systematic plan to do that efficiently would be a matter for nations as well as individuals, and would take possibly years.  The Geneva Convention does not apply to ISIS.

yep, effectively dealing with this and similar situations takes coordination that has been to this point impossible to put together.

The world needs to wake up to the fact that this is their problem.  they must commit resources.  they must take this seriously.  they must assist in every way possible and stop waiting for someone else to solve the problem.  and that is only from the military side of the equation. 

If the world decided to stamp ISIS out they'd be done in a matter of months.  Drop the boots on the ground wherever they are now in great numbers and wipe them out.  hit them with massive, overwhelming force and keep a standing army of international anti-terrorist forces of serious size and resources, ready to deploy when necessary.  I'm not talking about the blue beret UN peacekeepers, I mean an army that sets out to destroy the enemy and goes in and attacks with overwhelming force. 

diplomatically all nations have to also agree to stamp this type of shit out and cooperate in good faith to do so.  Cut off their money, cut off the backchannel support they are getting from those that outwardly condemn this but in reality support it, cut off their safe havens.  Without resources and places to hide there is no nothing, even for these crazy assholes.  that sort of international cooperation will, unfortunately, never happen.

[abyrnes81]

Are you a real anarchist? I don't believe you  . See something about anarchism ....

LOL Anarchists bicker amongst themselves about who the 'real' Anarchists are, socialists/communists would tell you they're the real Anarchists and capitalists can't be Anarchists, I just consider Anarchism to be what it's described as, without rulers, as long as there's no hierarchy enforcing it's will on other people through violence I'd be pretty happy but that's pretty much all society is made up of right now.

Nice reply, you are a real anarchist!
It is extremely difficult to find them, most will say "we are anarchst" and they will go to vote at the election  (epic fail).

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

We are in agreement.  I was talking about consideration of the moral, ethical and cultural questions relative to the atrocities - saying "Okay, I figured this out.  Now let's kill the bastards."

Developing a cohesive and systematic plan to do that efficiently would be a matter for nations as well as individuals, and would take possibly years.  The Geneva Convention does not apply to ISIS.

I think the isis members don't know what is the Geneva convention, or other accords. They should be killed, they don't deserve the life.

[Spendulus]

Are you a real anarchist? I don't believe you  . See something about anarchism ....

LOL Anarchists bicker amongst themselves about who the 'real' Anarchists are, socialists/communists would tell you they're the real Anarchists and capitalists can't be Anarchists, I just consider Anarchism to be what it's described as, without rulers, as long as there's no hierarchy enforcing it's will on other people through violence I'd be pretty happy but that's pretty much all society is made up of right now.

Nice reply, you are a real anarchist!
It is extremely difficult to find them, most will say "we are anarchst" and they will go to vote at the election  (epic fail).

They aren't much different from most tribal groups and even the Samurai or the Romans, it's just the sheer scale of it all that seems to be frightening most people,....

Actually I find the opposite effect, after a certain number of atrocities the mind snaps shut with a conclusion, "Just kill the bastards."  No discussion of religion or philosophy or cause and effect is further necessary.

Yes it's totally normal to behave like that in such a situation. But we need to calm down and think rationally before acting against such people.

We are in agreement.  I was talking about consideration of the moral, ethical and cultural questions relative to the atrocities - saying "Okay, I figured this out.  Now let's kill the bastards."

Developing a cohesive and systematic plan to do that efficiently would be a matter for nations as well as individuals, and would take possibly years.  The Geneva Convention does not apply to ISIS.

I think the isis members don't know what is the Geneva convention, or other accords. They should be killed, they don't deserve the life.

Would you include each and every member of the ISIS armies?

I ask because in the past...for example we handled differently the German average foot soldier than the SS or those in charge of the concentration camps.  Most were simply let go to go home, others were I think for them most part rightfully sentenced to death.

[jaysabi]

Response to Jayasabi:

'Aisha and prophet's Nikkah was done when 'Aisha was 7-9 years old and they started living together(consummation) when 'Aisha reached maturity, i.e., 9-12 years old. 'Aisha was mentally and physically matured. 'Aisha was very happy with marriage. If both wife and husband is okay, what's the problem? Also how can a marriage be compared to rape? Both are different.

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: 'Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her.' 'Aisha added, 'None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could.'

The problem I have with this is 1) it comes from a religious text which is very unreliable by nature of it being a religious text, and 2) it's not possible for me to conceptualize a 9-12 year-old being "mentally and physically matured" because we live in a time when 9-12 year-olds are without question not mentally and physically matured at that age. Perhaps under a very different value system and many hundreds of years ago, it was socially acceptable to marry and boff children because no one had the sense to know better, but the fact remains that we now know better, and it's not justifiable now.

In our society, we don't consider marriage and rape exclusionary. Rape is capable of taking place inside of a marriage. It has to do with consent. You can be married and not provide consent. And one aspect of consent, is the ability to give consent. And as a society, we do not consider children to be able to give consent because even when they are saying yes, they are too young to understand the emotional and psychological things they are saying yes to. These are important things in our world today that your religious books do not even consider because the concepts did not exist at the time.

There is plenty of text in Islam on all the issues you just mentioned. You are too dumb to research and just making a perception based on falsehood portrayed by western media. If you'll go through Islamic social code you'll find it a perfection and miracle itself.

None of which you mentioned? How convenient! It's sad for you that instead of writing anything thoughtful you resort to attacks. It shows the strength of your argument. Here's a tip: it's not my job to go through your fairy tales to find justifications for your arguments. You're the one trying to prove your religion is so wonderful and perfect. And you're doing a terrible job.

[Cryddit]

I'm sick of people thinking religion is even an important question.

It doesn't fucking matter what religion someone is.  It doesn't even matter whether they find justification for what they're doing in religion.  What matters is what they do.

I would count it as real progress in the world if we didn't even know how many muslims, how many christians, how many atheists, etc, because everybody understood that the question was too darn trivial to even bother asking.

[jaysabi]

I'm sick of people thinking religion is even an important question.

It doesn't fucking matter what religion someone is.  It doesn't even matter whether they find justification for what they're doing in religion.  What matters is what they do.

I would count it as real progress in the world if we didn't even know how many muslims, how many christians, how many atheists, etc, because everybody understood that the question was too darn trivial to even bother asking.

I really agree with this sentiment, but for as trivial we may find religion, we have to acknowledge the reality that religion is a guiding force in the daily lives of much of this world's inhabitants. In essence, you have identified the chief problem: some of us saying only actions matter, some of us saying that actions can have religious justifications. In the minds of the people who are guided by religion, you can't convince them their actions are wrong where they believe they have a religious justification to act a certain way.

[Spendulus]

......Here's a tip: it's not my job to go through your fairy tales to find justifications for your arguments. You're the one trying to prove your religion is so wonderful and perfect. And you're doing a terrible job.

It's doubtful any Westerner non-Islamic is going to go through the social code of the Koran and conclude it's "Wonderful and Perfect."  That's something a True Believer would say.

It looks to me like a bunch of basic rules conceived of in medieval times to force the illiterate and ignorant masses to obey. 

I'm good with that.  That means more Bacon for Me!

[jaysabi]

......Here's a tip: it's not my job to go through your fairy tales to find justifications for your arguments. You're the one trying to prove your religion is so wonderful and perfect. And you're doing a terrible job.

It's doubtful any Westerner non-Islamic is going to go through the social code of the Koran and conclude it's "Wonderful and Perfect."  That's something a True Believer would say.

It looks to me like a bunch of basic rules conceived of in medieval times to force the illiterate and ignorant masses to obey. 

I'm good with that.  That means more Bacon for Me!

  You and I agree on this. It's still fun to ask True Believers to justify their stories, especially when they act so hostile about how great their religion is.

[Balthazar]

It seems that my previous attempt has been ignored. Well, let me try again.

Muhammed, are you thinking about marriage with nine year old girl? If you aren't, then why you doesn't follow the way of your prophet? He had some experience with nine year old girl, as well as subject guys. Am I right that it seems as a kind of legitimate excuse? If the prophet says that having sex with children is fine, then who are we to criticize him?