[Vote] Who did 911?

[BADecker]

It has been Al Qaeda. Stop tricking yourselves with strange theory, stop asking for negative demonstrations: not in logic, neither in law, they have any value.

A lot of researchers did investigate on the happenings. Stop listening to the profit-driven idea of 911profit, i mean, 911scam, whatever, 911truth.

There are loads of qualified engineers who say that much of 9/11 could be nothing other than an inside job. The coincidences say the same.

Appeal to authority.  And WTF?  An appeal to coincidences?

Here's my appeal to coincidences.

Radical Islamic Terrorists - said they did 9/11.  
Radical Islamic Terrorists - trained to fly exact same type aircraft.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - Photographed going into the airports and getting on the planes.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - reported by people on the planes as being the hijackers.

Aw....that's just all coincidences!

How about you state the argument and defend it.   No, wait, you have tried to do that in this thread.

And you've failed.

Well, tell you what.  You go get a boatload of those "qualified engineers" and tell them to git over here and git educatified.

Yes, my failure is very visible. It is difficult if not impossible to convince you of the facts if you won't accept it.

Anyone can be mixed up. But in your case, the intelligence you display makes it difficult to believe that you are not a government troll, planted here to deceive about issues like 9/11.

[Spendulus]

It has been Al Qaeda. Stop tricking yourselves with strange theory, stop asking for negative demonstrations: not in logic, neither in law, they have any value.

A lot of researchers did investigate on the happenings. Stop listening to the profit-driven idea of 911profit, i mean, 911scam, whatever, 911truth.

There are loads of qualified engineers who say that much of 9/11 could be nothing other than an inside job. The coincidences say the same.

Appeal to authority.  And WTF?  An appeal to coincidences?

Here's my appeal to coincidences.

Radical Islamic Terrorists - said they did 9/11.  
Radical Islamic Terrorists - trained to fly exact same type aircraft.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - Photographed going into the airports and getting on the planes.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - reported by people on the planes as being the hijackers.

Aw....that's just all coincidences!

How about you state the argument and defend it.   No, wait, you have tried to do that in this thread.

And you've failed.

Well, tell you what.  You go get a boatload of those "qualified engineers" and tell them to git over here and git educatified.

Yes, my failure is very visible. It is difficult if not impossible to convince you of the facts if you won't accept it.

Anyone can be mixed up. But in your case, the intelligence you display makes it difficult to believe that you are not a government troll, planted here to deceive about issues like 9/11.

I've suggested you go get a boatload of those "qualified engineers" you claim exist to support your unsupportable theories.  Go ahead, go do it instead of rambling and insulting people.

Very interesting comment here -

-the intelligence you display makes it difficult to believe that you are not a government troll-

Given that I've repeatedly destroyed your assertions and others with HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL MATH AND PHYSICS, I don't know what to make of that.  Are we so dumbed down that is some huge display of intelligence?

[BADecker]

It has been Al Qaeda. Stop tricking yourselves with strange theory, stop asking for negative demonstrations: not in logic, neither in law, they have any value.

A lot of researchers did investigate on the happenings. Stop listening to the profit-driven idea of 911profit, i mean, 911scam, whatever, 911truth.

There are loads of qualified engineers who say that much of 9/11 could be nothing other than an inside job. The coincidences say the same.

Appeal to authority.  And WTF?  An appeal to coincidences?

Here's my appeal to coincidences.

Radical Islamic Terrorists - said they did 9/11.  
Radical Islamic Terrorists - trained to fly exact same type aircraft.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - Photographed going into the airports and getting on the planes.
Radical Islamic Terrorists - reported by people on the planes as being the hijackers.

Aw....that's just all coincidences!

How about you state the argument and defend it.   No, wait, you have tried to do that in this thread.

And you've failed.

Well, tell you what.  You go get a boatload of those "qualified engineers" and tell them to git over here and git educatified.

Yes, my failure is very visible. It is difficult if not impossible to convince you of the facts if you won't accept it.

Anyone can be mixed up. But in your case, the intelligence you display makes it difficult to believe that you are not a government troll, planted here to deceive about issues like 9/11.

I've suggested you go get a boatload of those "qualified engineers" you claim exist to support your unsupportable theories.  Go ahead, go do it instead of rambling and insulting people.

Very interesting comment here -

-the intelligence you display makes it difficult to believe that you are not a government troll-

Given that I've repeatedly destroyed your assertions and others with HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL MATH AND PHYSICS, I don't know what to make of that.  Are we so dumbed down that is some huge display of intelligence?

Given that high school math and physics is for high school, and that the much higher math and physics involved in the 9/11 building destructions, coupled with the way the rest of the things went down that day, AND the probability involved, shows that you should probably go back to high school where you belong, and get out of something as complex and detailed as the 9/11 conspiracy.

[Spendulus]

Given that high school math and physics is for high school, and that the much higher math and physics involved in the 9/11 building destructions, coupled with the way the rest of the things went down that day, AND the probability involved, shows that you should probably go back to high school where you belong, and get out of something as complex and detailed as the 9/11 conspiracy.

The problem with this method of thinking is that your presentations of those "more complex and detailed" destructions has been thoroughly debunked, by me, with high school level math and physics.

And again I invite you to go get all those "engineers" and bring there here where they can debate with their higher skills. 

[Harry Hood]

Here are quick summaries of the arguments.

The theory that radical Muslims by themselves were involved is the conventional theory promoted by the U.S. government.

However most people question this. Polls shortly after 911 showed a significant percentage of New Yorkers did not believe the government version. Further doubts were raised later when some polls showed strong support for the official line while others showed the opposite. The impression was that some mainstream polls may have been altered to give the impression that most people believed the government account. One summary of high level counts is at http://patriotsquestion911.com/

How do you define "most people question this"? What do you consider a "significant percentage of New Yorkers" that do not believe in the factual version of this incident provided by the US government? Which polls show strong support? Which mainstream polls may have been altered?

I'd argue completely that most people do not question this. One summary of "high level counts" is hardly factual support or evidence of something credible. Without providing any facts your claims are ridiculous, naive, and a waste of space on this forum. Don't burden us with your make believe.

You ignore the fact that islamic extremists take credit for the attacks! You insult so many here.

[hofor]

the Twin Towers not withstanding the forces they were made to withstand by accident

They were not made to withstand what hit them that day. They were made to withstand far smaller planes moving at slower speeds. They were made to withstand bomber planes moving relatively slowly, not huge passenger planes at high speed.

[BADecker]

the Twin Towers not withstanding the forces they were made to withstand by accident

They were not made to withstand what hit them that day. They were made to withstand far smaller planes moving at slower speeds. They were made to withstand bomber planes moving relatively slowly, not huge passenger planes at high speed.

The planes didn't knock the buildings over.

After the crashes, the buildings sat there, North Tower for like 1.5 hours, South Tower like for an hour. People were seen in the "crash gash" of the North Tower - http://thewebfairy.com/911/edna/liberty.htm.



Where's the intense heat?

Building 7 went down almost as easily as the Towers, yet the amount of rubble that hit it was nothing like the plane crashes.

There is a big coverup going on. There are too many things that don't make sense when combined to show the whole picture. And I'm not talking about the Twin Towers and Building 7 only.

You don't need me or anyone else to Google all the info that doesn't make sense.

[btcusury]

What I was hinting at is that there is more evidence of it being an Israeli operation than a USG-only one.

There is zero "evidence" of 9/11 being an Israeli operation.

There is zero "evidence" of 9/11 being anything but an operation by fanatical Muslim terrorists.

I wondered that too, in my vain effort to understand conspiracy theories on 911.  How does always wind up being the US

But I'll stick to the physics and chemistry, since I'm not seeing much but junk science there.

The exact same question applies to the proposition that it was somehow done by Muslims. The difference is of course that no group of Muslims have the capability, whereas groups operating with USG+MSM resources do. If your cognitive dissonance is so strong that you feel unable to consider anything but the control system's narrative (a "conspiracy theory" of angry Muslims seeking revenge), then yes, of course your "effort" to understand anything will be in vain.

The group of Muslims who trained to fly airliners straight and level at US pilot schools, but who didn't bother to learn to take them off or land, is of course the group of Muslims that had the capability to do exactly that - fly airliners straight and level into buildings.  Duhh....

What an incredibly absurd oversimplification of what transpired. "Muslims hijacked airplanes and steered them into buildings"... yeah, keep watching the "news" and believing that you are "informed". I certainly won't try to convince you of anything.

Spendulus & BADecker,

You are both intelligent, just looking at things from different perspectives that may not be seeing a sufficiently-complete picture of the event in question. From my perspective, I would suggest that you may have been tricked into believing that you aren't smart enough to figure it out yourself, thus feeling the need to appeal to some authority figure(s) that will explain it to us all. That's not how it works... All it takes is curiosity, not degrees or rank. I'd recommend you both check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bashar

[BADecker]

Given that high school math and physics is for high school, and that the much higher math and physics involved in the 9/11 building destructions, coupled with the way the rest of the things went down that day, AND the probability involved, shows that you should probably go back to high school where you belong, and get out of something as complex and detailed as the 9/11 conspiracy.

The problem with this method of thinking is that your presentations of those "more complex and detailed" destructions has been thoroughly debunked, by me, with high school level math and physics.

And again I invite you to go get all those "engineers" and bring there here where they can debate with their higher skills. 

You don't need me to Google all the info that shows that the whole 9/11 incident was impossible except that it was a planned, inside job. Play with your high school info.

[BADecker]

Spendulus & BADecker,

You are both intelligent, just looking at things from different perspectives that may not be seeing a sufficiently-complete picture of the event in question. From my perspective, I would suggest that you may have been tricked into believing that you aren't smart enough to figure it out yourself, thus feeling the need to appeal to some authority figure(s) that will explain it to us all. That's not how it works... All it takes is curiosity, not degrees or rank. I'd recommend you both check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bashar

Are you trying to say anything? Are you trying to say that it was all a metaphysical incident, and that nothing that happened was done by any of the things that look like they made it happen the way it did? What are you trying to say?

[Spendulus]

.... I'd recommend you both check out this guy: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bashar

Channelling?  Are you fucking kidding me?

There is no relation of a pseudo religious nutcase to the flying of planes into buildings, unless it be the fact that it was other pseudo religious nutcases that flew planes into buildings.

[btcusury]

What I'm "trying" to say is that the messenger (be it perceived as an "authority" or not) is not relevant to the message. Are you paying attention to sources of information that empower you to understand the bigger picture of your life, or are you paying attention to "authoritative sources" (such as MSM or politicians) who tell you what to think? The metaphysical understanding that we each have is determined by the sources of information we each expose ourselves to. Do you see your existence as a dull routine, or as the greatest fucking mystery there could possibly be? If the latter, are you or are you not seeking answers?

[BADecker]

What I'm "trying" to say is that the messenger (be it perceived as an "authority" or not) is not relevant to the message. Are you paying attention to sources of information that empower you to understand the bigger picture of your life, or are you paying attention to "authoritative sources" (such as MSM or politicians) who tell you what to think? The metaphysical understanding that we each have is determined by the sources of information we each expose ourselves to. Do you see your existence as a dull routine, or as the greatest fucking mystery there could possibly be? If the latter, are you or are you not seeking answers?

If you really believe this, how do you know that you are not being controlled by some metaphysical power to believe a lie... for purposes that only the metaphysical power has any knowledge of?

[zeeshsnrehman2]

the US government as well as a handful of other people did 9/11. it is so obvious.
plane crash in pentagon, the worlds most safeguarded building with intruision detection,
2 planes who took 2 40 storey building down
1 building fell without contact
debris flying with push-power

and you believe a bunch of bedouins did that?

[Spendulus]

What I'm "trying" to say is that the messenger (be it perceived as an "authority" or not) is not relevant to the message. Are you paying attention to sources of information that empower you to understand the bigger picture of your life, or are you paying attention to "authoritative sources" (such as MSM or politicians) who tell you what to think? The metaphysical understanding that we each have is determined by the sources of information we each expose ourselves to. Do you see your existence as a dull routine, or as the greatest fucking mystery there could possibly be? If the latter, are you or are you not seeking answers?

Well, to answer one part of your question, my approach is critical and scientific.  What that means is that if someone claims 9/11 had to have been explosives because a four ton chunk of steel was tossed 500 feet, then I simply compute that matter.  In that case, the assertion "must have been explosives" is false.   So this has zero to do with "MSM / politicians / "authoritative sources".  Zero.  It has nothing to do with who tells who what to think.   It is a simple examination of a claim using math and physics. 

That's one form of "seeking answers."  It's also a way of examining the greatest fucking mysteries that could be, quite opposite to listening to babble from bobble-heads.

Lol....

[BADecker]

the US government as well as a handful of other people did 9/11. it is so obvious.
plane crash in pentagon, the worlds most safeguarded building with intruision detection,
2 planes who took 2 40 storey building down
1 building fell without contact
debris flying with push-power

and you believe a bunch of bedouins did that?

Something like WWII. First the U.S. dishonored Japanese trade agreements in ways that made the Japs extremely angry. Then, when the U.S. government knew that the Japs were on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, they kept quiet until it happened. Then they put the American citizen Japs into prison camps to make it look like Japanese were bad. Then they pushed the whole American country they had worked up into WWII, while keeping silent, of course, about how they let Pearl happen.

This time we went into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight because of the 9/11 inside job (We didn't have any Japs to humiliate this time, and ME Muslims aren't nearly industrious as the Japs were.). The process works pretty good I'd say.

[zeeshsnrehman2]

the US government as well as a handful of other people did 9/11. it is so obvious.
plane crash in pentagon, the worlds most safeguarded building with intruision detection,
2 planes who took 2 40 storey building down
1 building fell without contact
debris flying with push-power

and you believe a bunch of bedouins did that?

Something like WWII. First the U.S. dishonored Japanese trade agreements in ways that made the Japs extremely angry. Then, when the U.S. government knew that the Japs were on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, they kept quiet until it happened. Then they put the American citizen Japs into prison camps to make it look like Japanese were bad. Then they pushed the whole American country they had worked up into WWII, while keeping silent, of course, about how they let Pearl happen.

This time we went into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight because of the 9/11 inside job (We didn't have any Japs to humiliate this time, and ME Muslims aren't nearly industrious as the Japs were.). The process works pretty good I'd say.

the system is the same, lie to attack a country everytime there is a financial crisis to distract the mind of the general public.. just bullcrap

[BADecker]

the US government as well as a handful of other people did 9/11. it is so obvious.
plane crash in pentagon, the worlds most safeguarded building with intruision detection,
2 planes who took 2 40 storey building down
1 building fell without contact
debris flying with push-power

and you believe a bunch of bedouins did that?

Something like WWII. First the U.S. dishonored Japanese trade agreements in ways that made the Japs extremely angry. Then, when the U.S. government knew that the Japs were on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, they kept quiet until it happened. Then they put the American citizen Japs into prison camps to make it look like Japanese were bad. Then they pushed the whole American country they had worked up into WWII, while keeping silent, of course, about how they let Pearl happen.

This time we went into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight because of the 9/11 inside job (We didn't have any Japs to humiliate this time, and ME Muslims aren't nearly industrious as the Japs were.). The process works pretty good I'd say.

the system is the same, lie to attack a country everytime there is a financial crisis to distract the mind of the general public.. just bullcrap

True. But the general public is becoming aware of the "bullcrap" and they are starting to fight against it a bit. The Internet is helping to spread the truth.

[btcusury]

Well, to answer one part of your question, my approach is critical and scientific.  What that means is that if someone claims 9/11 had to have been explosives because a four ton chunk of steel was tossed 500 feet, then I simply compute that matter.

That should read: "... my approach is critical and rational.  What that means is that if someone claims 9/11 ___________________________, then I simply compute that matter." In other words, it shouldn't matter what the "claim" is or who is claiming it.

It has nothing to do with who tells who what to think.   It is a simple examination of a claim using math and physics.

Which is missing the point completely. You're looking at "claims" (symbols) rather than the event itself (reality)... and more importantly, you've assumed from the beginning that the "claims" of your perceived "authority" figures are true by default, just because they happen to have greater media access -- i.e. greater capability to manipulate you into believing. Notice I said "believing", without qualifiers. A real skeptic believes nothing but/ergo entertains all ideas.

That's one form of "seeking answers."  It's also a way of examining the greatest fucking mysteries that could be, quite opposite to listening to babble from bobble-heads.

So you're saying that you are not a mystery?

[BADecker]

That's one form of "seeking answers."  It's also a way of examining the greatest fucking mysteries that could be, quite opposite to listening to babble from bobble-heads.

So you're saying that you are not a mystery?

He's a mystery as evidenced by the simple way he wants to believe what he wants to believe rather than looking at reality.