Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[Wilikon]

The example of the dude beating his dog while going to church is why we are what we are... As none of us will go and help the dog, while being a church goer, like the dog beater...

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[erikalui]

This is not a fact but an almost impossible act to follow. It's like trying to touch the horizon. You can't. But you have a path to follow, a direction the needle of your inner compass will point to... Some people have it naturally, others need guidance and a reminder why they are more than a animal, IF they chose to...

It's not impossible to follow but it's like one does not have any self respect if they let the other person abuse them and then offer them to abuse more.

I have seen and known people who do follow the bible and say "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." They forgive those who have done wrong to them and ask me to do the same. I don't believe in this but I believe in punishing those who commit a crime. Jesus asked to forgive the Jews who nailed him on the cross but I will never forgive them. If we keep forgiving our criminals, what's the point of having any LAW then?

The example of the dude beating his dog while going to church is why we are what we are... As none of us will go and help the dog, while being a church goer, like the dog beater...

I went up to the person and caught the stick with which he was beating up the dog and I made the dog to just run away and hide in the building. I never bear if I see anyone who is illtreating animals.

[Wilikon]

This is not a fact but an almost impossible act to follow. It's like trying to touch the horizon. You can't. But you have a path to follow, a direction the needle of your inner compass will point to... Some people have it naturally, others need guidance and a reminder why they are more than a animal, IF they chose to...

It's not impossible to follow but it's like one does not have any self respect if they let the other person abuse them and then offer them to abuse more.

I have seen and known people who do follow the bible and say "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." They forgive those who have done wrong to them and ask me to do the same. I don't believe in this but I believe in punishing those who commit a crime. Jesus asked to forgive the Jews who nailed him on the cross but I will never forgive them. If we keep forgiving our criminals, what's the point of having any LAW then?

Then you don't believe in what the son of mary asked you to do...

[tvbcof]

When I was more on the liberal/progressive side of things not long ago I was somewhat influenced by the concept that believers where more ignorant in part because they were less intelligent.  That message is a well played sales pitch and one which we see uses in a fair fraction of run-of-the-mill advertising campaigns.  People get off on being told they are smart to act in a certain way, and left wingers are especially prone to this line.  I still believe that there is a correlation between certain aspects of mental function and attitudes toward metaphysical things, but am more inclined to believe that the correlation is weak enough to not be much of a factor in most interactions.

Another complaint I had against religion is that I felt that as an organization, religion had a direct impact on society through lobbying efforts and the like, and thus a direct impact on me.  This may (or may not) have been a real problem when the religion was more strategically mobilized around the Reagan timeframe.  Lately I'm more of the opinion that whatever Judeao-Christian ethical constructs foisted upon me through the state are not a huge problem.  Most of them make some sense and the problem is not excessive.  For now.  It's something I continue to keep a wary eye on, however, and the potential for problems  bothers me in what seems to be the same way that it bothered certain of the founders of the country.  Loss of freedom at the hands of the religious class is hardly a rarity historically speaking.

A am as much an atheist as ever (preferring the term 'heathen') but as I age and observe things and interact with different people I am of the mindset that there are a great many religious people doing a lot of good things.  (BTW, this includes Hamas and Hezbollah who are primarily social organizations trying to best serve their people who are under great stress.)  I cannot help but feel inferior in some ways to people who give up a part of their lives in the service of others, and I no longer believe that this is simply a quid-pro-quo with their God to buy a place it the afterlife.  At the end of the day many of these people are better humans than I and a lot of my heathen brethren.

Edit: counterparts -> brethren (more correct and appropriate usage.)

[legendster]

Well I think its mostly the 'sinners' who seek to be forgiven hence seek out a forgiver and nothing beats 'forgiving people' off their most heinous crimes than religion itself.

But the question is if I am an atheist then I must have a certain set of beliefs that contradicts every religion, one of the most important beliefs of almost all atheists is the freedom of choice. We - the atheists - revolted against religion because we were constricted in our thinking in many areas of life, we were burnt alive at the stake for believing the truth, innocent women experimenting with science were called Witches & murdered while the men continued their practices while being revered as great wizards.

In short any religion is a way of thinking so why should we oppose people from believing in what they want to believe even if it has no meaning or is completely baseless ? Why should we hate, mock or degrade people that do believe in God or other such myths ? Should we hate, mock or degrade people that do follow a religion? Now remember these are our very own parents in most cases.

I see many such documentaries and interviews of 'scholars' who laugh and look down upon the people of faith and its kinda funny how things have changed with a few centuries.

[BADecker]

Prosperity,
you are simply mistaken. Indeed there many variations on practice of Islam or Christianity (two religions I am most familiar with), while there also exist many variations on national socialism and communism (or rather international socialism), aswell as liberal democracy. All of those systems have rather strict hierarchies and binding taboos, vices and virtues.

Interracial sex is taboo in NS, seen indefferently in communism or Islam (aslong as the pair is married), while it is virtue in libdem.

Arming yourself and fighting in defense of faith or family is considered virtue in NS, communism or Islam, but is seen as taboo in christianity and libdem.

Premarital sex is seen indifferently in atheist systems, while religious ones frown upon it.

Similar differences exist in views on antisemitism, drug use, eugenics, social state, technology and role of a family.

Etc. Etc.

What does that have to do with anything I've said? I said that a theists views are largely dictated by what's said in their holy books, at least when concerning the three abrahamic religions, while an atheists views are not restricted by such a medium. Someone who self identifies as "Catholic" for example, cannot be against treating women as being less than men, because of things like this:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Yet, we see Catholics all the time treating women as equals, but why? According to the bible women are less than men and should be treated as such.

This just goes to show how clueless Theists are about their own faiths. #dumbpeople

Not clueless. Not at all.  Christians just ignore Bible shit that makes no sense in the world they live in.

But this measure of merit, it would be Muslims who were clueless, thinking they must obey every word.

LOL....

Human beings have so little knowledge about the universe in which they live, that they don't know what having sense is like. Thank God that He fills in the important gaps for us with direct knowledge in the form of the Bible.

[BADecker]

Well I think its mostly the 'sinners' who seek to be forgiven hence seek out a forgiver and nothing beats 'forgiving people' off their most heinous crimes than religion itself.

There are many people who feel like they have sinned, even though their life is such that it isn't readily apparent how they have sinned. Perhaps it is the sinners who feel that they have sinned who seek out forgiveness. The other people sin as well, but they simply don't feel that they have sinned.

But the question is if I am an atheist then I must have a certain set of beliefs that contradicts every religion, one of the most important beliefs of almost all atheists is the freedom of choice. We - the atheists - revolted against religion because we were constricted in our thinking in many areas of life, we were burnt alive at the stake for believing the truth, innocent women experimenting with science were called Witches & murdered while the men continued their practices while being revered as great wizards.

Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists. Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't. Atheism is a religion that seeks to set man and his intelligence up as god, even though atheists don't realize that this is what is happening.

In short any religion is a way of thinking so why should we oppose people from believing in what they want to believe even if it has no meaning or is completely baseless ? Why should we hate, mock or degrade people that do believe in God or other such myths ? Should we hate, mock or degrade people that do follow a religion? Now remember these are our very own parents in most cases.

I see many such documentaries and interviews of 'scholars' who laugh and look down upon the people of faith and its kinda funny how things have changed with a few centuries.

This seems reasonable to me. When a person thinks he has enough evidence in his own mind to believe something that might seem a bit fanciful to others, he really shouldn't be laughed at for the things he thinks.

[cryptodevil]

Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists.

Is it fuck BADecker. You're so epically dishonest and a shining example of why atheists hate religion, because religion REQUIRES the believer to maintain a state of intellectual dishonesty, which means you have to lie to yourself against everything your rational brain recognises as being logical fallacy.

Religion is a belief system based on faith. Atheism is a rejection of such belief systems, BECAUSE THEY ARE ENTIRELY FALLACIOUS, in place of a free-thinking, objectively reasoned, critical perspective applied to one's reality.

Your persistent appeal-to-authority, appeal-to-ignorance and, worst of all, special-pleading are simply so you can declare things to be facts without actually having any evidence to support your claims, as is the case for ALL theism. Repeatedly posting your link to your atrociously poor-quality notion of 'evidence' does not, and will not, magically make it credible and worthy of consideration.

Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't.

Nearly enough evidence? How about the fact that within this Universe there is no reason or requirement for a deity and anything you want to speculate about outside of this Universe is simply making-shit-up(tm). You have no reason or evidence to justify or warrant the notion that a deity exists, yet you persistently speak of such as though you have great knowledge, but you do not. You are conditioned to believe and you are slavishly following your conditioning, that is all you have and that is all you are at this time.

In short any religion is a way of thinking so why should we oppose people from believing in what they want to believe even if it has no meaning or is completely baseless ? Why should we hate, mock or degrade people that do believe in God or other such myths ? Should we hate, mock or degrade people that do follow a religion? Now remember these are our very own parents in most cases.

Religion poisons everything. That's why.

Don't even bother trying to head off on the usual dishonest tangent about how religious groups do a lot of 'good', when NOTHING they do requires their religion and, in fact, an atheist charitable group is by definition more worthy of respect for their actions because they do not conduct themselves charitably on the basis of being watched and judged by an invisible super-being.

Mother Theresa was a nasty narcissistic delusional monster who made sure that those she 'cared' for suffered, because she believed that only through their suffering could they get close to her particular invisible super-being.

Yet most theists persistently cite her as being a wonderful example of theist benevolence.

[erikalui]

Then you don't believe in what the son of mary asked you to do...

True. I don't believe in forgiving the people who make innocent suffer. Jesus forgave them cause he is Christ but I am not Christ and a normal human being.

[legendster]

Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists. Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't. Atheism is a religion that seeks to set man and his intelligence up as god, even though atheists don't realize that this is what is happening.

It doesnt take nearly as much grey matter to realize that there is no single entity capable of creating this universe than it takes to write down a troll book & start a new religion with it.

Atheism is not a religion it is the opposition of faith with inquisitive questioning. Atheism doesnt seek to disprove that god exists, for if it did exist atheism would try to figure out why it exists.

On average the typical atheist would spend more of his free time finding evidence of 'god' and disproving hoaxes. A typical theist would simply believe whats being told to him.

If atheism was about any form of hate, then it would be hatred towards blind faith.

[BitBatFan]

I'm atheist and I don't hate religion. Every person decide what he believes.
But, I do beleive there is something "up" or "beyond".

[CoinFoxs]

I'm atheist and I don't hate religion. Every person decide what he believes.
But, I do beleive there is something "up" or "beyond".

That is good thing. And everyone  has its own opinion. I respect your thinking. And its not compulsory that every person have same thinking.

[photon_coin]

i don't believe all athiests hate religion,  i am an athiest yet i respect others individual freedom and rights to practice whatever faith they chose.

spirituality is important for everyone, for myself at least what i consider 'spirituality' is quite different than someone who practices one of the major world religions


it is true there are some athiests that want to convert everyone............ just like there are bible thumpers that want to convert everyone.....


despite my personal views and the fact the religion in history has been the cause of many conflicts/ wars/ deaths... ect...  I don't think our civilization as a whole is ready to all be athiests right now..... some can handle it and some cannot..

[Vod]

spirituality is important for everyone

Nonsense.  I'm an intelligent person.  I have ethics and morals.  I don't need spirituality. 

[tvbcof]

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despite my personal views and the fact the religion in history has been the cause of many conflicts/ wars/ deaths... ect...  I don't think our civilization as a whole is ready to all be athiests right now..... some can handle it and some cannot..

I have my doubts that these maladies were 'caused by' religion as much as religion was used as a tool to promulgate them.  Economics and politics probably should fairly take a lions-share of the blame in most cases.  This is a new-ish construct for me; for most of my life I was prone to take a more simplistic approach to assigning blame (on religion most usually.)

[BADecker]

Again, depending on what the truth is regarding the existence of God, atheism is a religion if God exists. Does God exist? We don't have nearly enough ability to even honestly suggest that He doesn't. Atheism is a religion that seeks to set man and his intelligence up as god, even though atheists don't realize that this is what is happening.

It doesnt take nearly as much grey matter to realize that there is no single entity capable of creating this universe than it takes to write down a troll book & start a new religion with it.

Tell that to the mictobe who asks where the petri dish came from.

Atheism is not a religion it is the opposition of faith with inquisitive questioning. Atheism doesnt seek to disprove that god exists, for if it did exist atheism would try to figure out why it exists.

At times atheists say that God doesn't exist. At other times they act the part without saying it.

At times atheists have faith in things and people. Religious people question all the same things that atheists do.

Some atheists attempt to prove God doesn't exist.

On average the typical atheist would spend more of his free time finding evidence of 'god' and disproving hoaxes. A typical theist would simply believe whats being told to him.

The polls are designed to elicit the information out of the people being polled that the pollsters want to hear. Do you have any polls to back this up?

If atheism was about any form of hate, then it would be hatred towards blind faith.

Not all atheists hate God. Some are simply ignorant of Him on the outside. But there are those who hate God down deep, and are using the atheistic attitude to try to make Him go away.

There's is a lot of stuff in life that seems illogical. Yet it is there, and it does work. The existence of God may not seem logical in some ways, but this does not mean that God does not exist. Until there is proof that He doesn't exist, atheism is at least philosophy in all atheists, and is religion in some.

[BADecker]

Then you don't believe in what the son of mary asked you to do...

True. I don't believe in forgiving the people who make innocent suffer. Jesus forgave them cause he is Christ but I am not Christ and a normal human being.

Jesus said that if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven.

[amazon4u]

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

Because religion has kept us (mankind) in the dark for ages...because religion is the worst lie ever told and yet still efficient after 2000 years....because most religious institutions don't pay any government taxes...because most religious people are hypocrites who think that confessing to a priest/imam/etc  "washes away" their sins and they can go on being scums again and again until they drop dead and "go to heaven"...

God forgives if you confess. How convenient is that ?!

I should be religious too, it would help me sleep a lot better at night...I just have to lie to myself and others and of course....confess ....

[legendster]

spirituality is important for everyone

Nonsense.  I'm an intelligent person.  I have ethics and morals.  I don't need spirituality. 

Didnt you leave this forum ?

[legendster]

.. atheists attempt to prove God doesn't exist...


Not all atheists hate God. Some are simply ignorant of Him on the outside. But there are those who hate God down deep, and are using the atheistic attitude to try to make Him go away.

There's is a lot of stuff in life that seems illogical. Yet it is there, and it does work. The existence of God may not seem logical in some ways, but this does not mean that God does not exist. Until there is proof that He doesn't exist, atheism is at least philosophy in all atheists, and is religion in some.

1. We try to disprove "its'" existence by proving it doesnt exist. We could do it the other way around as well.
2. We are anything but ignorant. We dont vehemently oppose a religious freak and burn him at stake for opposing our views.
3. The fact that there is no liquid water on Moon was widely accepted. Just goes to show you that even the scientists can be wrong but this also can be interpreted as that not all the popular 'beliefs' are true - no matter how many people believe it.

It would be wrong to say one cant prove that god doesnt exist, because we can. You just have to give in to the fact that all that you have been told by your ancestors who were a bunch of noobs was all a big fat juicy lie.