[Announcement] Avalon ASIC Development Status [Batch #1]

[bitcoindaddy]

I wish all of the ASIC bitcoin companies were this open and honest about their process and status. Everyone would sleep more soundly.

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[crazyates]

I wish all of the ASIC bitcoin companies were this open and honest about their process and status. Everyone would sleep more soundly.

I sleep just fine, tyvm. Maybe you should see a doctor?

[ewibit]

I wish all of the ASIC bitcoin companies were this open and honest about their process and status. Everyone would sleep more soundly.

+1
yes this could be fine for us

[creativex]

...and for this bASIC customer. Stress is high, though it'd be higher if deadlines were made and broken every two weeks instead of two months.

[PuertoLibre]

The BFL reps responded to one of Avalons claims...with very vague mentions of a ~unique~ workflow arrangement enabling them to do...well, the impossible. (IMO)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html#post7363

[creativex]

Actually I'm beginning to believe that's *THE ONLY* BFL rep and his response was as usual completely meaningless.

[Starlightbreaker]

The BFL reps responded to one of Avalons claims...with very vague mentions of a ~unique~ workflow arrangement enabling them to do...well, the impossible. (IMO)

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html#post7363

hm..

While I appreciate the technical prowess of the Avalon team, the fact of the matter is they simply don't have the resources or experience we have in this area.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


*deep breath*
...oh shit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

are they being serious?


experience in what? delaying shit so many times?

[loshia]

Probably the only one experienced from BFL team was the "old nice looking lady soldering singles" picture , but unfortunately even that picture was removed from their website lately. So guess what no one of the "experienced" employes left
I am just wondering who will solder BFL ASIC's as long as lady has gone???

PS:Just found it in Google cache...
It is prety obvious that she is in top form and 1000+ Asics for 10 days are not an issue for her

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=butterflylabs.com&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1024&bih=629&tbm=isch&tbnid=9lBP555L_b3bQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.butterflylabs.com/november-production-update/&docid=T43Z4PKGlpzzdM&imgurl=http://butterflylabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_1815.jpg&w=800&h=884&ei=DP_AUOiAGKnE4gTvioDgAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=769&vpy=280&dur=7869&hovh=236&hovw=214&tx=98&ty=193&sig=100595112714249957668&page=4&tbnh=132&tbnw=143&start=55&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:59,s:0,i:268

[mrb]

Time until Inaba/BFL_Josh comes to defend BFL in this thread:
5... 4... 3...

[creativex]

Probably the only one experienced from BFL team was the "old nice looking lady soldering singles" picture , but unfortunately even that picture was removed from their website lately. So guess what no one of the "experienced" employes left
I am just wondering who will solder BFL ASIC's as long as lady has gone???

Josh + pajamas = soldering machine!

[kano]

Well, to be blunt, I'm not sure why the Avalon team wanted to join the word war ... but I guess it's 3 now in that
... at least until one team releases some ASIC

[mightycount]

If you guys at Avalon are confident of your process, tech and timeline why wouldn't you open up more capacity to accept orders from disenchanted customers of competitors?

This would make total sense. If your second shipment can beat BFL's first, a lot of people would switch, I'm sure. I for one would have to do some serious soul searching for sure after a bunch of layers of BS from BFL

[mightycount]

I think the demonstration event has been mentioned at the first (around late Sep. ?). but please let Yifu to re-explain it later, he is at the meeting in Macau

Which one is you?

Better question:

Who is each individual at the table? What do they each do for Avalon?

... and who is the dude with a waitress and a chick on the far right?

[Frizz23]

It seems Inaba has been put on a leash by his bosses. He stopped posting/insulting people here on the forums

So I just copied his reply from the BFL forums.

...
1. while this wafer making process is going, you can't cancel it, or make adjustments, and if you wish to change anything, you will have to re-run this whole work flow all over again ( the large amount of the NRE upwards of 6 digits in USD is paid when you make the MASK). so anytime, BFL mention they are waiting for chips to come e.g. next week, but if they are still making adjustments, then this is physically impossible. In addition, fabrication company don't do chip packaging, if they are expecting the chips to arrive next week that means the production is already finished and they are probably in the chip packaging company (it is usually this time you find out if your chips work or not. which can also take some time since you'll have to test each of the chips for defects.)
...

BFL_Josh replies: "While I appreciate the technical prowess of the Avalon team, the fact of the matter is they simply don't have the resources or experience we have in this area. While the above may be true for them (and I have no doubt it is), what they are able to accomplish in a given time frame does not necessarily apply to our development workflow and process." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html#post7363

What does that tell us? Right. Nothing. Just more weasel comments. It applies, or maybe it does not ... there is, maybe there is not ... we ship, maybe we won't ...

[Syke]

So what was supposed to take 25 days from Halloween?

The next scheduled announcement of another "unexpected delay" from the world's most experienced processor design team in the world!

[PuertoLibre]

It seems Inaba has been put on a leash by his bosses. He stopped posting/insulting people here on the forums

I was hoping no one would notice that he does have a boss or his sudden silence.

So I just copied his reply from the BFL forums.

...
1. while this wafer making process is going, you can't cancel it, or make adjustments, and if you wish to change anything, you will have to re-run this whole work flow all over again ( the large amount of the NRE upwards of 6 digits in USD is paid when you make the MASK). so anytime, BFL mention they are waiting for chips to come e.g. next week, but if they are still making adjustments, then this is physically impossible. In addition, fabrication company don't do chip packaging, if they are expecting the chips to arrive next week that means the production is already finished and they are probably in the chip packaging company (it is usually this time you find out if your chips work or not. which can also take some time since you'll have to test each of the chips for defects.)
...

BFL_Josh replies: "While I appreciate the technical prowess of the Avalon team, the fact of the matter is they simply don't have the resources or experience we have in this area. While the above may be true for them (and I have no doubt it is), what they are able to accomplish in a given time frame does not necessarily apply to our development workflow and process." https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html#post7363

What does that tell us? Right. Nothing. Just more weasel comments. It applies, or maybe it does not ... there is, maybe there is not ... we ship, maybe we won't ...

It just means that the BFL rep is an expert in the art of quantum super-positioning statements.

It can be in more than three states at the same time.

You can infer "does not necessarily apply" to mean it does apply, yet, it does not apply. It all depends on the observer.

Making vague statements and keeping your distance is what you do when you can't say or have nothing to say in such a situation. Just hope the chips arrive and then start shipping.

Oh, and the 11th, the rep said it won't be met. (later in the month is the next revision).

[PuertoLibre]

This would make total sense. If your second shipment can beat BFL's first, a lot of people would switch, I'm sure. I for one would have to do some serious soul searching for sure after a bunch of layers of BS from BFL

BFL has apparently designed a fab technique based on layering BS on their chip. That is why they can grow/deposit those layers so darn quickly.

It will do everything (at lower power). As long as it is not seen by the human eye.

[DiabloD3]

Hmmm..... I think doing business in this region for over 25 years, gives me just a little perspective on the business practices of the Pearl Delta.
But perhaps brush up a little 武經七書... because I got what I needed faster than I expected.

I think you have no sense of humility after doing business for 25 years in these regions that you lost the ability to talk to another person like a regular human being. I had no intention to hide who these people were, I simply uploaded the picture from my phone on-the-go and now had the chance to do a proper follow up, not to mention many of these faces are not new and often seen in public involving bitcoin.

It would be much appreciated in the future, especially when directing questions at me. Brush up on how to be a gentleman, remove any trace of prejudice and cynicism you have obtained from a past that has nothing to do with me.

Please don't try to give lecture about something you know little about,  I'm very well paid and very good at what I do.

When you have had credible death threats from 'respectable' Asian business men  and attempts to kidnap your wife, come talk to me and we can talk all you want about:
 humility/racism/prejudice/cynicism/corruption/slavery/poisoning of babies/adults for profit or anything else you think you are an expert on.

Dear Thread,

Shut the hell up or so God help me I will turn this car around.

Signed, your favorite angry neighborhood bastard mod

[Bogart]

Some background information on ASIC production process, before tape out, 3 day before uploading GDS, we fill out a MT form with TSMC detailing the ASIC specific information so they may understand what we are doing. The gallery is here http://imgur.com/a/YOLez

Wow, 1.3GB of GDS data.  That's a lotta bits goin into them thar chips.

I hope y'all had them verify a hash of it.  Really their form ought to have a field for it.

Nice news release.  The next news I want to hear is that you have received the prototype chips, and that they are hashing as expected.

[julz]

I have a support ticket open which is now nearly 2 weeks old with no response other than 'Ticket Received',  re order number 200000363.
(ticket 13)
Can I please get some action on this?