[INFO] Συζήτηση για την Ισοτιμία

[theoulis]

αμάν πια ούτε λεφτά δε προλαβαίνεις να στείλεις για να αγοράσεις!!

μια χαρα προλαβαινεις. εβαλε μπρος για τα 100κ
αλλα ακομα και τοτε παλι να αγοραζετε. το εκατομυριο ειναι σιγουρο!
(γερων παστιτσιος)

[dj_andreasgr]

μου άρεσε αυτό το απόσπασμα από την ανάλυση του τύπου εδώ και ιδίως το πόρισμα. είναι και ο λόγος που είμαι λίγο "αρκούδα" εν όψει futures.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/eTcP807d-BTC-CME-Futures-The-Poison-Apple-is-Being-Served/

"he news of the CME futures market starting to trade Bitcoin' futures in December was announced yesterday. But many do not understand the futures market and moreover how they evolved into a speculative market. So before heading to the chart, it is important to understand how cash settled futures effect the market and or moreover how the market effects cash settled futures .

At $25 per contract and bitcoin 2.26% trading at $11,000 your controlling $25x11,000 or $275,000. Now 25% margin is required (to my knowledge and some brokers may require more) so your required to maintain $68,750 cash or cash equals in your account. But let's say we have a swing like we did the other day $2000. $25x$2000 = $50,000. OUCH that means you just lost $50,000 unless it recovers, but if you do NOT have enough to maintain the $68,750 your position will be closed and you are screwed. So trading will be only for the fat cats that have millions in their accounts and can weather a $50,000 temporary down turn. So why would anyone want to trade the futures market on bitcoin? AHHHHHH it's a very easy market to manipulate for the fat cats and I think this is some of the reason for the price rise currently.

Let's say Imscrewingtheavg Joe Investment company has purchased 100k bitcoin 2.26% . Hey there are some that have that much or friends that do. So they are selling contracts and the price is going against them and it's getting close to March delivery. Out of the blue you get HUGE 5000 sell orders across several exchanges. This clears out the bids, triggers stop losses, and creates a domino effect to the downside. The futures market follows which they are cleaning house on the average Joe, and with the money they make off the futures contracts they close out, they buy all their bitcoin 2.26% back at a cheaper price. This happens in large markets such as gold             and silver 0.12% which are much more liquid then bitcoin 2.26% so it can definitely and will most likely happen here. So keep this in mind and do NOT get spooked out of the market.

But here is an update of the chart I posted 2 days ago. Keep in mind there are multiple scenarios but these are probably the two most likely in my opinion. Now I have added in the $9500 range some bitcoin 2.26% , and I have held out to see what happens. A break of $11,500 I will enter a trade for the $13,500-$15,000 level. If we drop down to the $8100, which was our original target level, I will add some more and look for a trade as well. Due to the publicity, and the fact Coinbase can hardly keep up with new accounts and transactions (now more accounts then Charles Schwabb), I just do NOT see a major correction here but you never know. If I want to trade futures , I want a hedge and a stack of bitcoins 2.26% to hedge with. So I see more accumulating by larger institutions in the coming weeks leading up to dooms day! With only about 14 million or less coins available, and many not wanting to sell the ones they hold, I see the likely hood of a HUGE supply and demand issue, so it could get crazy from here. It's uncharted waters but I want to be long here as in my opinion demand will out weigh supply going into Futures trading. Time to make some money!

In closing, and in my opinion, the futures market is a poison apple' and I am not biting. It is clear why they wanted regulators to bless the product prior to trading, even though they do NOT need permission to implement a new product. Yes they can self certify and it was odd when I saw they were in discussion with regulators. But money speaks and I'm sure some hands were greased. I can understand the concern by many about this having an effect on the financial markets especially if we see a derivatives collapse like the housing market where brokerages can not cover the losses from their clients leading to bankruptcy. (Lehman Brothers comes to mind). This could effect the economy so they will want to hedge and they may do that by buying coins on the open market to hedge.

Of course collapses lead to regulations! "

[vapapgr]

Ο αντρεας με το ποστ του εθιξε ενα μεγαλο θεμα. Αν θελουμε να ειμαστε ειλικρινεις με τους εαυτους μας πρπει να συνειδητοποιησουμε οτι δεν εμαθε ο κοσμος ξαφνικα τη χρησιμοτητα του blockchain kai agorazei BTC . Απλα μπηκαν τα μικρα funds και ανακατευουν την τραπουλα. Σιγουρα μα σιγουρα μακροπροθεσμα θα κανουν ζημια στο ονομα του BTC.Εχουν fake news και πολυ fiat money. Οι dev του b δεν ειναι ετοιμοι ν αντιμετωπισουν αυτου του ειδους τους κερδοσκοπους.

[ysteriot]

Η ιστορία λέει ότι όποιο asset μπήκε σε futures έκανε διόρθωση μετά.

Όπως λέει και το άρθρο πιστεύω ότι τον πρώτο καιρό θα είναι επίφοβα τα πράγματα και
ενδεχομένως να έχουμε καλές διορθώσεις αλλά μακροπρόθεσμα η τιμή θα ανέβει κατά πολύ.

Περισσότερο φοβάμαι τα ban από τις κυβερνήσεις παρά τα παιχνίδια των κερδοσκόπων τα
οποία αντιμετωπίζονται εύκολα με την κλασική συνταγή του HODL 

[theoulis]

εχουμε ξαναπει οτι τα κρυπτος δουλεουν το ιδιο ειτε κοστολογουνται στα χιλιαδες ευρω ειτε στο μηδεν ευρω!
ειναι το μονο "προιον" "νομισμα" ή ο,τι θελει ο καθενας να βλεπει που δεν εξαρταται η λειτουργια του απο τους κερδοσκοπους!
(βασικα ολος ο κοσμος κεδοσκοποι ειμαστε  
επισης εχουμε ξαναπει οτι οταν εχεις τη δυνατοτητα να εκτυπωνεις fiat εσαει
μπορεις να φτασεις την ισοτιμια των κρυπτος στο απειρο!!!!
μονο δειτε στις ελληνικες ταινιες του '40-'50 ποσα εκατομμυρια δραχμες  ειχε τοτε ο καφες στα καφενεια!

[chek2fire]

Bitcoin. Αγοράζω ή όχι;

http://www.capital.gr/me-apopsi/3258740/bitcoin-agorazo-i-oxi

από τα καλά σχετικά άρθρα στον Ελληνικό τύπο για το bitcoin και την ισοτιμία του.

Εχουμε και το Ceo της Ups που σε άρθρο του στο blog της εταιρείας και που αφορά το bitcoin λέει ότι η παγκόσμια οικονομία και κυρίως το παγκόσμιο εμπόριο χρειαζεται πλέον ένα παγκόσμιο νόμισμα

Does Global Trade Need A Global Currency?

https://longitudes.ups.com/does-global-trade-need-a-global-currency/

αν και δεν αφορά την ισοτιμία αλλά έχει να κάνει με την παγκόσμια κατάσταση και έτσι όπως έχει ήδη προβλεφθεί η πρώτες χώρες που θα υιοθετήσουν την τεχνολογία του bitcoin και που θα εκδώσουν τα δικά τους ψηφιακά νομίσματα θα είναι αυτές που έχουν κατεστραμμένες οικονομίες κάτι που έγινε καθώς η βενεζουέλα ανακοίνωσε την έκδοση του πρώτου κρατικού ψηφιακού κρυπτονομίσματος

http://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1301123/petro-psifiako-nomisma-tupou-bitcoin-kata-tis-krisis-apo-ti-benezouela

το μέλλον είναι εδώ

[marad]

Ειναι ενδιαφερων το μελλον(μακροπροθεσμα)!!!


https://themerkle.com/9-industry-experts-share-their-future-bitcoin-price-predictions/

[razkal]

μου άρεσε αυτό το απόσπασμα από την ανάλυση του τύπου εδώ και ιδίως το πόρισμα. είναι και ο λόγος που είμαι λίγο "αρκούδα" εν όψει futures.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/eTcP807d-BTC-CME-Futures-The-Poison-Apple-is-Being-Served/

"he news of the CME futures market starting to trade Bitcoin' futures in December was announced yesterday. But many do not understand the futures market and moreover how they evolved into a speculative market. So before heading to the chart, it is important to understand how cash settled futures effect the market and or moreover how the market effects cash settled futures .

At $25 per contract and bitcoin 2.26% trading at $11,000 your controlling $25x11,000 or $275,000. Now 25% margin is required (to my knowledge and some brokers may require more) so your required to maintain $68,750 cash or cash equals in your account. But let's say we have a swing like we did the other day $2000. $25x$2000 = $50,000. OUCH that means you just lost $50,000 unless it recovers, but if you do NOT have enough to maintain the $68,750 your position will be closed and you are screwed. So trading will be only for the fat cats that have millions in their accounts and can weather a $50,000 temporary down turn. So why would anyone want to trade the futures market on bitcoin? AHHHHHH it's a very easy market to manipulate for the fat cats and I think this is some of the reason for the price rise currently.

Let's say Imscrewingtheavg Joe Investment company has purchased 100k bitcoin 2.26% . Hey there are some that have that much or friends that do. So they are selling contracts and the price is going against them and it's getting close to March delivery. Out of the blue you get HUGE 5000 sell orders across several exchanges. This clears out the bids, triggers stop losses, and creates a domino effect to the downside. The futures market follows which they are cleaning house on the average Joe, and with the money they make off the futures contracts they close out, they buy all their bitcoin 2.26% back at a cheaper price. This happens in large markets such as gold             and silver 0.12% which are much more liquid then bitcoin 2.26% so it can definitely and will most likely happen here. So keep this in mind and do NOT get spooked out of the market.

But here is an update of the chart I posted 2 days ago. Keep in mind there are multiple scenarios but these are probably the two most likely in my opinion. Now I have added in the $9500 range some bitcoin 2.26% , and I have held out to see what happens. A break of $11,500 I will enter a trade for the $13,500-$15,000 level. If we drop down to the $8100, which was our original target level, I will add some more and look for a trade as well. Due to the publicity, and the fact Coinbase can hardly keep up with new accounts and transactions (now more accounts then Charles Schwabb), I just do NOT see a major correction here but you never know. If I want to trade futures , I want a hedge and a stack of bitcoins 2.26% to hedge with. So I see more accumulating by larger institutions in the coming weeks leading up to dooms day! With only about 14 million or less coins available, and many not wanting to sell the ones they hold, I see the likely hood of a HUGE supply and demand issue, so it could get crazy from here. It's uncharted waters but I want to be long here as in my opinion demand will out weigh supply going into Futures trading. Time to make some money!

In closing, and in my opinion, the futures market is a poison apple' and I am not biting. It is clear why they wanted regulators to bless the product prior to trading, even though they do NOT need permission to implement a new product. Yes they can self certify and it was odd when I saw they were in discussion with regulators. But money speaks and I'm sure some hands were greased. I can understand the concern by many about this having an effect on the financial markets especially if we see a derivatives collapse like the housing market where brokerages can not cover the losses from their clients leading to bankruptcy. (Lehman Brothers comes to mind). This could effect the economy so they will want to hedge and they may do that by buying coins on the open market to hedge.

Of course collapses lead to regulations! "

ο συγκεκριμενος ενω τα γραφει "πολυ ωραια και λογικα", τα πιο πολλα του charts για το btc εχουν αποτυχει.

[bomberb17]

Ειναι ενδιαφερων το μελλον(μακροπροθεσμα)!!!


https://themerkle.com/9-industry-experts-share-their-future-bitcoin-price-predictions/

Να μαστε καλά και να δούμε τελικά το 2020 αν και ποιο απόλα αυτά θα επαληθευτεί..
Πάντως από στιγμή σε στιγμή σπάμε και το φράγμα των 10000 Ευρώ..

[chek2fire]

το παρακάτω πάει σε όσους πούλησαν τα bitcoin τους για να πάρουν κάποιο shitcoin


https://twitter.com/danielcamposusa/status/937905435616665600

[bomberb17]

Έσπασε και το δεκαχίλιαρο σε ευρώ..

το παρακάτω πάει σε όσους πούλησαν τα bitcoin τους για να πάρουν κάποιο shitcoin


https://twitter.com/danielcamposusa/status/937905435616665600

Εγώ στα altcoins κοιτάω την ισοτιμία ως προς το BTC και όχι ως προς fiat.
Συγκεκριμένα το εθερ το καλοκαίρι ήταν ETH/BTC = 0,14 και τώρα είναι 0,04 περίπου.

[ysteriot]

το παρακάτω πάει σε όσους πούλησαν τα bitcoin τους για να πάρουν κάποιο shitcoin


https://twitter.com/danielcamposusa/status/937905435616665600

Το tweet είναι πλασματικό γιατί εξετάζει μόνο την περίοδο των bitcoin forks που διανύουμε το τελευταίο εξάμηνο.
Όλα τα αλτς έχουν πέσει σε σχέση με το btc, παρόλα αυτά το ether συνεχίζει να δίνει καλύτερη απόδοση σε fiat μέσα στο 2017.

[Diver6691]

15000+ ....... Αγοραστική φρενίτιδα 

[NicolasGR]

Μήπως να τα ρίξουμε σε eth που έχει πάει 0,03btc στον πάτο δλδ;;

[publicdomain]

ρετρό συναλλαγές:

You confirmed the receipt of €156.61.
Therefore, your sale was successfully completed. The sold 0.5 Bitcoins will be debited from your account at bitcoin.de.


 

[chek2fire]

ρετρό συναλλαγές:

You confirmed the receipt of €156.61.
Therefore, your sale was successfully completed. The sold 0.5 Bitcoins will be debited from your account at bitcoin.de.


 

τι να πω εγώ που έχω ένα ποδήλατο που έχω αγοράσει με 1.02 btc

[bomberb17]

Εγώ πάντως πραγματικά λυπάμαι αυτόν που αγόρασε την πίτσα..

[chek2fire]

απλά έχουν σπάσει τα φρένα κανονικά
δείτε και αυτό εδώ

https://twitter.com/OnTheMoneyCBC/status/938882162954190848

[k0stas]

Σύμπτωση η επίτηδες το κάνουν γεμίσαμε εξάρια.

[NicolasGR]

Μήπως να τα ρίξουμε σε eth που έχει πάει 0,03btc στον πάτο δλδ;;

Τι ήθελα και το λεγα; μόλις καταλαγιασε λίγο η φρενίτιδα του btc, eth και ltc πήραν τον ανήφορο