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October 07, 2023, 01:33:34 PM
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Regarding Joel intentions of joining the US team, here is what Rudy Gobert has to say,

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"I am happy for him. I guess we'll see him in Paris. I am happy for him, as long as he does what makes him happy and he follows his heart. That's what matters."

https://twitter.com/FadeawayWorld/status/1710037148408111522

And then the captain of the French Basketball team, Nic Batum,

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“I was more than happy to welcome him to the team, and he took the best decision for him,” Batum said. “I would have taken the same one.”

https://twitter.com/AndrewGreif/status/1710068649514369079

So I guess everyone in the French team is not affected by Joel joining the US instead of them. Nevertheless, for sure this is going to be a very competitive Olympics in Paris as far as for the US and the rest of the world.

Embiid's mentality is probably to have the best way to secure the gold. That is probably the best chance he gets a championship. But hopefully, he won't cry if the US will lose. Since I was a kid and started watching Olympics basketball, I cannot remember Team USA failing to bag the championships, they always dominate. But the Paris Olympics basketball is indeed going to be very competitive as the biggest stars will be joining their respective countries. Jokic, Giannis, and Wemby are also expected to play.

Although there are only two countries where basketball is the #1 sport, it continues to grow and there are more superstars that come outside the US.

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October 07, 2023, 02:39:39 PM
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We don't know how much the Clippers want Harden. It may not be a logical transfer for them

Rumors of a possible trade of Harden to the Clippers initially sounded illogical as the Clippers already have players like Kawhi, Paul, and Westbrook. So, I don't think Harden is really the player they need. However, as we can see, there are still rumors that the Clippers are interested in him, which means that the Clippers' management might believe Harden could be useful to them in some way.
Harden might be a great passer, but Westbrook can be a good Point Guard as well, if given the chance.

The Clippers are in need of a Point Guard. Kawhi and PG can't be one. Westbrook can be their starting PG since he has been a good Point Guard through out his career. His career only got ruined when he went to the Lakers, but we can't remove the fact that he can make passes Harden can do.

Like you, I don't also think that the Clippers will try, and pursue Harden knowing that they have Russ as their PG already. I'll stick to what I said that no team want's to pursue him, or at least gamble, and get him in exchange for multiple draft picks. Harden will most probably stay with the Sixers for at least the first half of the season while for the Clippers, I would like to see Westbrook redeem himself after what happened to him in the last seasons. I still believe that he can still make those flashy passes like what he's doing back then.

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October 07, 2023, 03:43:09 PM
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Looks like we’re going to see Chris Paul play today for the Warriors. The season is just around the corner. I’ll have to check and see if there’s any way for me to watch the game. I suspect there isn’t, so I’ll probably have to catch the highlights on YouTube later. I’m not expecting much after Kyrie’a performance the other day, but real basketball is coming!

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October 07, 2023, 05:58:03 PM
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With this lineup, it feels like the gold is pretty much assured. They can't afford to make the same mistake of underestimating other countries, especially after not even qualifying for the gold medal round in the FIBA World Cup. No more excuses; they need to correct that mistake and win at the Olympics.

Now, as for the betting odds, I'm also curious. I think they should be around 1.10 or even lower because this lineup seems unbeatable.
That's true, it's going to be difficult to defeat them with that kind of weapon they have.
Yes, could be lower. 1.05.  Cheesy I may not even take the risk of betting for another country if they are sending those monsters. That's a suicide, imho.

Team USA authorities really made a mistake in sending mostly young guys to FIBA (not that they aren't good) and I do think they will get it right next time. Just adding Kevin Durant will probably enhance the winning chance. What more with Steph, Booker, Lebron, AD, and Beal? Germany will have a hard time with them especially if they cannot leave anyone open which will scatter the floor. Serbia might also need Jokic if they want to keep that high seed that they received in FIBA.

Anyway, the Timberwolves are in a good lead again versus the Mavericks in Abu Dhabi this preseason. They might win this again. And then later, Warriors versus Lakers. Let's see how hyped the NBA will be even if it's just preseason. Finally, we are here after a long rest.

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October 07, 2023, 06:25:37 PM
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You can also make that argument for Russell Westbrook, there are huge downside on him but still the Lakers did pick him up and most likely regret their decision because at that time they acquire him, they thought that he can blend well with James and help the Lakers. And finally he was shift to the Clippers and so there are still team that are willing to take him. So the same case for Harden as well, many downside, dramatic, doesn't want to play defense, but I think there could be more teams still wanting to get his service even if he is aging or maybe lost a step or two with the 76ers. So the saga will continue this season until he found a new team and then the cycle of him and Westbrook might be the same.

At least Russ defense compared to Harden that literally just watching enemy to score on his face. Harden is not contributing the way he score during his stay on Rockets and OKC.
His attitude is already a pain in the ass while he should playing as a leader due to his seniority.

There’s a lot of PG out there that contributes both offense and defense while cost less dollar than him. He is just being paid high due to his performance not to the current one. I believe only few years of continuous performance like this will surely put him to Russ spot.

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There is absolutely zero chance that USA would lose in the Olympics, and that's basically the whole point of it. There are other nations that keep on talking about "champions of world lol" type of things because USA sent their low value players and because of that they think that they could actually beat USA nad be better than American players.

Now that players like Lebron, Curry, Booker and all that (I think durant too) coming, and even making Embiid an American just for this, which is a big deal if you ask me, then we are going to see the real domination. I am sensing that there will be something silly for this tournament, like we may actually end up seeing like a 40 point difference just on the finals, it is going to be a show for them not a game. It is going to be basically generals vs globetrotters all tournament long, nobody could even get within 10 points of them.

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There is absolutely zero chance that USA would lose in the Olympics, and that's basically the whole point of it. There are other nations that keep on talking about "champions of world lol" type of things because USA sent their low value players and because of that they think that they could actually beat USA nad be better than American players.

Now that players like Lebron, Curry, Booker and all that (I think durant too) coming, and even making Embiid an American just for this, which is a big deal if you ask me, then we are going to see the real domination. I am sensing that there will be something silly for this tournament, like we may actually end up seeing like a 40 point difference just on the finals, it is going to be a show for them not a game. It is going to be basically generals vs globetrotters all tournament long, nobody could even get within 10 points of them.

I wouldn't go that far.  In years past like back with the dream team yes.  The world has caught up with the US.  While I think they would win it with their top players it's not that they would win in the finals by 40 against another top nation.

The 1992 dream team with Jordan, magic, ewing, malone, etc etc only won by 32 in the finals and that's when the US really dominated basketball.  

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October 07, 2023, 09:48:47 PM
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There is absolutely zero chance that USA would lose in the Olympics, and that's basically the whole point of it. There are other nations that keep on talking about "champions of world lol" type of things because USA sent their low value players and because of that they think that they could actually beat USA nad be better than American players.

Now that players like Lebron, Curry, Booker and all that (I think durant too) coming, and even making Embiid an American just for this, which is a big deal if you ask me, then we are going to see the real domination. I am sensing that there will be something silly for this tournament, like we may actually end up seeing like a 40 point difference just on the finals, it is going to be a show for them not a game. It is going to be basically generals vs globetrotters all tournament long, nobody could even get within 10 points of them.

I wouldn't go that far.  In years past like back with the dream team yes.  The world has caught up with the US.  While I think they would win it with their top players it's not that they would win in the finals by 40 aflgainst another top nation.

The 1992 dream team with Jordan, magic, ewing, malone, etc etc only won by 32 in the finals and that's when the US really dominated basketball. 
That is totally true. The defense in europe or nba has changed drastically too and no team can dominate as much as before. And I even think that even the USA brings their biggest stars, there is a chance they might lose a game. Of course, the USA is the basketball powerhouse of the world and every country in the world probably has an american player in their league, even north korea, but rest of the world also caught up with them. We can also see the number of European players who are all star or just league's best players, like Jokic and Doncic.

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October 08, 2023, 01:17:48 AM
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There is absolutely zero chance that USA would lose in the Olympics, and that's basically the whole point of it. There are other nations that keep on talking about "champions of world lol" type of things because USA sent their low value players and because of that they think that they could actually beat USA nad be better than American players.

Now that players like Lebron, Curry, Booker and all that (I think durant too) coming, and even making Embiid an American just for this, which is a big deal if you ask me, then we are going to see the real domination. I am sensing that there will be something silly for this tournament, like we may actually end up seeing like a 40 point difference just on the finals, it is going to be a show for them not a game. It is going to be basically generals vs globetrotters all tournament long, nobody could even get within 10 points of them.

I wouldn't go that far.  In years past like back with the dream team yes.  The world has caught up with the US.  While I think they would win it with their top players it's not that they would win in the finals by 40 aflgainst another top nation.

The 1992 dream team with Jordan, magic, ewing, malone, etc etc only won by 32 in the finals and that's when the US really dominated basketball. 
That is totally true. The defense in europe or nba has changed drastically too and no team can dominate as much as before. And I even think that even the USA brings their biggest stars, there is a chance they might lose a game. Of course, the USA is the basketball powerhouse of the world and every country in the world probably has an american player in their league, even north korea, but rest of the world also caught up with them. We can also see the number of European players who are all star or just league's best players, like Jokic and Doncic.

Look, the USA probably has a solid shot with their upgraded lineup, but to say there's zero chance of them losing? That's just crazy talk, man. It's like a major diss to all those other countries that have been stepping up their basketball game just to compete with the USA. And let's not forget, Germany proved themselves big time in the FIBA World Cup recently by taking home the gold.

I get it, on paper, the USA's roster looks stacked, but we'll only know if they're truly unbeatable once they hit the court.

Remember, LeBron James is getting up there in years, still awesome, but not the same as before. Same goes for Steph Curry. It's all about strategy, and if the USA's nailing threes, you can bet other countries have their own tricks up their sleeves.

So, let's chill a bit on the USA hype, alright? Getting too pumped up and then seeing them lose? That's a tough pill to swallow, just like what happened to China against the Philippines in FIBA WC and Asian Games.Smiley

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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

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October 08, 2023, 04:05:33 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

That's some serious hype going on. I mean, Lillard just joined the team, so it's a bit premature to expect them to dominate right out of the gate. We're still in the 'let's-see-how-their-chemistry-works' phase. Even though they're both superstars, there's no guarantee they'll click seamlessly.

If the public's buying into that and there are betting odds for it, I'd say that's a potential trap waiting to happen.



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October 08, 2023, 04:22:08 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60.
The lines are already open on team regular season wins for this season - Bucks @1.82 for over 54.5 and @1.99 for under 54.5 on Rollbit.

It looks like most bettors slightly disagrees with ESPN's prediction. I personally think that 48.5 is a conservative number. I understand that it may take time for Dame and Giannis to form that deadly chemistry but they will still manage. They won 58 regular games last season so I'll probably go with 55 to 60.

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October 08, 2023, 04:23:12 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

Next year and not this season? Why is that? If we are talking about the first year that Giannis and Dame will be a team mate, I'm seeing more than 50+ games winning and be on the top of the East, because that's what the Bucks has been before on top of that division.

@Ziskinberg - Yes, as a Filipino what the Gilas team did to the Asian games is close to miracle, down 20 point against the Chinese, down like 5-7 points with less than 2 minutes to go, they were able to win and go to the Finals and win the Gold against Jordan.

I urge everyone to check that one out on how the Gilas make a huge comeback, it's worth to watch.

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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

Next year and not this season? Why is that? If we are talking about the first year that Giannis and Dame will be a team mate, I'm seeing more than 50+ games winning and be on the top of the East, because that's what the Bucks has been before on top of that division.

I suppose the competition in the East is much easier compared to the West, if that's still the format now. I heard it changed, by the way, but I haven't read the new rules. Anyway, the Bucks having Lillard is going to make them a team to beat. Their problem in the past was probably the consistent provider of offense, and with Lillard, he can space the floor well as he is very unpredictable, can shoot threes, and can drive the ball as well. Just a complete player, in my opinion.

Next year or this season, I think it's the same as next year or the end of the season is when we would find out if the Bucks could really reach what we are expecting from them.

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October 08, 2023, 05:08:35 AM
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Now, as for the betting odds, I'm also curious. I think they should be around 1.10 or even lower because this lineup seems unbeatable.

It's been out for a while now, and with this lineup, the USA is the clear favorite to win, like a heavy favorite. But it's not as low as 1.10; the projected odds are -250, which is equivalent to 1.4 in decimal odds. If you want to check out the odds for the other teams, you can go ahead and visit the link below.

https://www.covers.com/basketball/olympic-mens-basketball-odds

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Country   Odds
USA USA   -250
Serbia Serbia   +400
Canada Canada   +500
France France   +700
Germany Germany   +800
Australia Australia   +1,200
Spain Spain   +1,400
Slovenia Slovenia   +2,000

With that possible lineup, this odd might be a good catch for those early bettors, though we don't know if this will be finalized
or there are still negotiations and changes in terms of availability of those stars that mentioned.

Though for sure, there are already gamblers who took this one and already place their future bet for this possible Olympic gold medalist.



If there are any changes, I don't expect them to be that significant. I mean, with a bunch of superstars on Team USA, you probably won't even notice. Those guys are all in, and it's a different ballgame this time. They're on a mission, you know? After that embarrassment at the FIBA World Cup, they're itching for redemption in the Olympics. They want to remind the world that Team USA is still the cream of the crop in the basketball business.

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Let's wait and see if what will be the final lineup, if all those mentioned names will be available and if they will commit to play for team U.S

Like I mentioned, it won't really shake up the odds. Team USA is still gonna sit tight as the big favorite.

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October 08, 2023, 05:48:49 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

That's some serious hype going on. I mean, Lillard just joined the team, so it's a bit premature to expect them to dominate right out of the gate. We're still in the 'let's-see-how-their-chemistry-works' phase. Even though they're both superstars, there's no guarantee they'll click seamlessly.

If the public's buying into that and there are betting odds for it, I'd say that's a potential trap waiting to happen.

I think 48 wins is very doable provided the team won't suffer injuries from their starting line-up. 48 wins is a 59% win rate so it's like winning 6 out of 10. Giannis, Middleton, Lopez, and Lillard aren't known ball hogs or have big egos so I am confident that they can work together in building their chemistry well. And there's also the new ruling about player management so we're expecting these players to be present in most of their games.

I haven't seen the odds of this over 48.5 wins. But if this is 1.80 or above then I am taking this risk.

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October 08, 2023, 07:33:45 AM
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Teams that have high chance ro be first seed or even win the championship do not really e d up with under 50 results. Its quite important to remember that most seasons its closer to 60 than under50. I believe a 55,5 over/under makes a lot more sense without a doubt. It could be a lot more reasonable for you to have something that can do something much better. Bucks may look great but being good in regular season and being champions are two very different things, reason for that is simply its their first year ever but I believe that we are going to end up with easier season but harder playoffs. In the end it will definitely be something ok and not a big deal at all. I still wonder what lakers will do, barring any injuries Lebron may have his last ever chance to win something, if they dont, he may never win one ever again

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October 08, 2023, 11:03:41 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.

That's some serious hype going on. I mean, Lillard just joined the team, so it's a bit premature to expect them to dominate right out of the gate. We're still in the 'let's-see-how-their-chemistry-works' phase. Even though they're both superstars, there's no guarantee they'll click seamlessly.

If the public's buying into that and there are betting odds for it, I'd say that's a potential trap waiting to happen.

I think 48 wins is very doable provided the team won't suffer injuries from their starting line-up. 48 wins is a 59% win rate so it's like winning 6 out of 10. Giannis, Middleton, Lopez, and Lillard aren't known ball hogs or have big egos so I am confident that they can work together in building their chemistry well. And there's also the new ruling about player management so we're expecting these players to be present in most of their games.

I haven't seen the odds of this over 48.5 wins. But if this is 1.80 or above then I am taking this risk.

Yes, why not? it's already a good and very attractive odds for a Over/Under 48.5 wins for the Bucks this season. And I speculate that they could even win more games, maybe just above 50 game for them with Giannis and Dame. Of course there are a lot of factors in the background that we need to look, like the duo not getting injured or they have a slump because they have a new coach and new player coming in to fit a new role.

But in any case its could be doable barring anything bad for the Bucks. They still have the core though of Middleton and Lopez and then their role players, so there's a lot of anticipation from basketball fans that they will do good this season and maybe become the number 1 rank team in the Eastern conference again.
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October 08, 2023, 11:29:19 AM
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ESPN has said they are predicting the Milwaukee Bucks to win 48.5 games next year. What do people think about that? Personally, I think they win at least 50 games next year and maybe even 60. Lillard is a beast to have on your team alongside Giannis. While it may not be as good as the Curry/Giannis duo we all want to see, it is the next best thing.
55-60 wins is my prediction. At their start, there might be some problems due to both Lillard and Giannis trying to create chemistry but we all know these two players can also make their own plays so it's not like they need to be Stockton and Malone. All they need is other players working their defense while they are the weapons for the offense.

The lines are already open on team regular season wins for this season - Bucks @1.82 for over 54.5 and @1.99 for under 54.5 on Rollbit.

It looks like most bettors slightly disagrees with ESPN's prediction. I personally think that 48.5 is a conservative number. I understand that it may take time for Dame and Giannis to form that deadly chemistry but they will still manage. They won 58 regular games last season so I'll probably go with 55 to 60.
Oooh, that sounds inviting. And we have the same prediction. Wink
Let's not forget they still have Brook Loper and Khris Middleton so if the play is not working with Lillard then they could just switch members and try to use their old plays while they are still creating chemistry with Lillard in different ways. i.e. Practice.
Oh, and their new head coach is Adrian Griffin who I think will have a different type of leadership and not be too focused on Giannis only which was done by Coach Bud.

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October 08, 2023, 12:32:52 PM
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I haven't seen the odds of this over 48.5 wins. But if this is 1.80 or above then I am taking this risk.

Hey there, mate, I'm afraid you can't get those odds with over 48.5 wins because currently, it's higher than that. The odds are already out on sportsbet.io, so you can check it out for yourself.




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