2024 NBA Season

[dwyane36]

Mitchell would be a great help to the Knicks if ever he is acquired by them. But the demand of Jazz for the trade is just too much. Knicks would not be able to add to their power if all their picks will be gone. And it could easily go wrong. Look at the Nets, they have given away all their picks, but their trades to get the help for Durant and Kyrie did not pan out. Now, they want to rebuild but they do not have picks and Durant and Irving want to leave. The same could happen if the Mitchell acquisition did not pan out. They would not be able to rebuild without draft picks.

As we can see, the Jazz management wants to rebuild its team significantly, and it looks like they are trying to collect as many draft picks as possible. By the way, they already got 5 draft picks in the Gobert trade, and now they wanted 7 draft picks for Mitchell. Obviously, the Jazz is asking way too much, and I think the Knicks management should think it over carefully before agreeing to any deal with the Jazz.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Mitchell would be a great help to the Knicks if ever he is acquired by them. But the demand of Jazz for the trade is just too much. Knicks would not be able to add to their power if all their picks will be gone. And it could easily go wrong. Look at the Nets, they have given away all their picks, but their trades to get the help for Durant and Kyrie did not pan out. Now, they want to rebuild but they do not have picks and Durant and Irving want to leave. The same could happen if the Mitchell acquisition did not pan out. They would not be able to rebuild without draft picks.

As we can see, the Jazz management wants to rebuild its team significantly, and it looks like they are trying to collect as many draft picks as possible. By the way, they already got 5 draft picks in the Gobert trade, and now they wanted 7 draft picks for Mitchell. Obviously, the Jazz is asking way too much, and I think the Knicks management should think it over carefully before agreeing to any deal with the Jazz.

Mitchell is not going to work closely with Jazz, as far as I am concerned. Getting Mitchell and losing jazz is obviously not going to be worth it. In order to acquire a player who might not even fit perfectly in the team, we could lose someone who would be able to provide a very stable performance? This is not something I see happening.

At this moment it does not feel like they are in a very strong position because obviously Kevin Durant and Kyrie want to leave. Nevertheless, they seem to be acting a little bit like Drama Queens right now, but they are also quite significant.

[darewaller]

This is the risk on gambling your draft picks to an all star player because you don’t know if they will be play out well to the team or they will sucks which they did on Durant and Irving case. I strongly preferred cultivating players from draft pick like what GSW did to there current roster because there effect will be last longer compared to players like Lebron, KD and other bandwagon player that keeps jumping on other team just to get championship. This kind of players is a high risk investment to whoever team that will acquire them.

Danny Ainge knows what he is doing and he was the guy that managed to build this Celtics squad along with Brad Stevens. But at the same time, there isn't really anything that we could discuss further about it until we get more information but knowing how amazing trades they have done in Celtics, with the Utah Jazz they could rebuild amazingly and do the same thing there and get amazing draft picks again.

I suppose Mitchell may or may not worth it, but if I know Ainge then I know that even if he doesn't, he will find a way to get those picks one way or another from some team. Utah doesn't have what it takes to win, that's why they are blowing up the team and rebuilding, so picks is the most important part.

[wheelz1200]

All this talk about 6/7 first round picks PLUS some of the Knicks young players is laughable.  Leon rose is probably laughing all day at this.  Q grimes, quickley, rj, cam Reddish, IQ, and some combination of those players and that amount of first round picks for Donovan is laughable.  Donovan is nice but what strip your entire youth and future for possibly a 4 spot in the eastern division lol.  Nah f that.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

What do you guys think of the Denovan Mitchell trade? does he really that expensive? for the jazz to want multiple players and some first-round picks to trade him?

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/knicks-still-cautious-about-dealing-draft-assets-for-donovan-mitchell.html

You can read here about the Knicks' decision on how they are cautious on this one because this is really not a joke and their future is at stake. If Mitchell will messed up, regarding his health, it's really hard to recover from it.

Well the Rudy Gobert trade has already set the trend in this year trade and so I think that will be the barometer for major players, asking future draft picks to be included in the trade.

Of course, it's going to be a big risk for them and as we can see on the Durant package, teams are not willing to sacrifice their future draft picks and that's why no teams are willing to bite on it, because at least 4 or 5 future picks is what the Nets wanted + some major players too.

[chaser15]

Obviously, the Jazz is asking way too much, and I think the Knicks management should think it over carefully before agreeing to any deal with the Jazz.

It's been a long time since New York Knicks don't have a consistent primary scorer that's why getting Donovan Mitchell is a big help to them.

For me, they should just gamble too.

In the first place, they are always getting a good position on the draft pick but never experienced being lifted by those rookies they have selected.

If that's the case for several seasons now, it's worth getting Mitchell and giving up the future picks.

[gagux123]

As we can see, the Jazz management wants to rebuild its team significantly, and it looks like they are trying to collect as many draft picks as possible. By the way, they already got 5 draft picks in the Gobert trade, and now they wanted 7 draft picks for Mitchell. Obviously, the Jazz is asking way too much, and I think the Knicks management should think it over carefully before agreeing to any deal with the Jazz.

Well, yes, if we look at it that way, the Gobert trade (5 picks in the draft) was a positive trade (or not)... but is there really a possibility that they get 7 draft picks for Mitchell? Is this extremely viable for the team?

Because they would be trading a excelent player for NBA rookies, that is, it would be something uncertain, because we wouldn't know if the nba rookies will be promising players.

[chaser15]

Because they would be trading a excelent player for NBA rookies, that is, it would be something uncertain, because we wouldn't know if the nba rookies will be promising players.

That's what I'm trying to point out. New York Knicks always get a good ticket every year on the rookie draft picks but still none of those picks become excellent. The gamble is still there and getting Donovan Mitchell is worth a gamble. Surrounding Mitchell with good role players is proven to be effective and we see that in his Utah Jazz experience but the only problem is they are choking in the playoffs.

That's part of the risks that lower-tier teams in the NBA should accept. If teams like NYK, will not gamble, nothing will change on their journey every season.

[Yogee]

What do you guys think of the Denovan Mitchell trade? does he really that expensive? for the jazz to want multiple players and some first-round picks to trade him?

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/knicks-still-cautious-about-dealing-draft-assets-for-donovan-mitchell.html

You can read here about the Knicks' decision on how they are cautious on this one because this is really not a joke and their future is at stake. If Mitchell will messed up, regarding his health, it's really hard to recover from it.

Mitchelle had some injury problems but he is not an injury prone player. Mitchell is really a valuable player for the Jazz because they relied their offense mostly on him, that's why Mitchell has the liberty to shoot the ball anytime he wants, and that's make the team suffer during the playoffs.

Now, if the Knicks sees him as a big help for their success, they should be willing to risk and give the Jazz demand to acquire Mitchell.

Mitchell would be a great help to the Knicks if ever he is acquired by them. But the demand of Jazz for the trade is just too much. Knicks would not be able to add to their power if all their picks will be gone. And it could easily go wrong. Look at the Nets, they have given away all their picks, but their trades to get the help for Durant and Kyrie did not pan out. Now, they want to rebuild but they do not have picks and Durant and Irving want to leave. The same could happen if the Mitchell acquisition did not pan out. They would not be able to rebuild without draft picks.

It's not about "too much" or is he "worth it" on trade of superstars anymore. Remember the Rudy Gobert trade to Wolves? I think that's the current yardstick these teams use for players like Mitchell and KD. Both players are more valuable than Rudy so they think they should be getting more regardless if their demand looks insane.

[agustina2]

Because they would be trading a excelent player for NBA rookies, that is, it would be something uncertain, because we wouldn't know if the nba rookies will be promising players.

Since everything is uncertain, I believed New York Knicks should try to at least have experience gambling as part of rebuilding.

Nets already did but failed. What if the outcome won't be the same with them? That's part of the rebuilding process if those early plans didn't work out.

However, getting Donovan Mitchell should not just be the plan. If Knicks will not able to provide him with good teammates, their gamble will not be worth it.

[gagux123]

That's what I'm trying to point out. New York Knicks always get a good ticket every year on the rookie draft picks but still none of those picks become excellent. The gamble is still there and getting Donovan Mitchell is worth a gamble. Surrounding Mitchell with good role players is proven to be effective and we see that in his Utah Jazz experience but the only problem is they are choking in the playoffs.

That's part of the risks that lower-tier teams in the NBA should accept. If teams like NYK, will not gamble, nothing will change on their journey every season.

Hmm... your point of view is interesting!
It's been a few seasons that the Utah Jazz is "suffocated" in the playoffs, I also noticed that, but I feel that the team is improving, slowly, but they are progressing.
If he gets some promises in the drafts and puts them to play together with Donovan Mitchell, in my opinion, I believe these rookies will have a good chance of evolve.

[Baofeng]

Because they would be trading a excelent player for NBA rookies, that is, it would be something uncertain, because we wouldn't know if the nba rookies will be promising players.

That's what I'm trying to point out. New York Knicks always get a good ticket every year on the rookie draft picks but still none of those picks become excellent. The gamble is still there and getting Donovan Mitchell is worth a gamble. Surrounding Mitchell with good role players is proven to be effective and we see that in his Utah Jazz experience but the only problem is they are choking in the playoffs.

That's part of the risks that lower-tier teams in the NBA should accept. If teams like NYK, will not gamble, nothing will change on their journey every season.

True, just look at OKC since trading PG and Westbrook and even CP3, then have tons of draft picks from trading that player and yet they can't get at least one decent players from the draft pick.

So it will be a huge gamble for the Knicks if they let go RJ and a bunch of draft picks for Donovan Mitchell. Let the Knicks focus on the current roster, I think they are good with Brunson already with Obi Toppin.

Jalen Brunson and Obi Toppin’s connection in workout video will excite Knicks fans.

[jakelyson]

As we can see, the Jazz management wants to rebuild its team significantly, and it looks like they are trying to collect as many draft picks as possible. By the way, they already got 5 draft picks in the Gobert trade, and now they wanted 7 draft picks for Mitchell. Obviously, the Jazz is asking way too much, and I think the Knicks management should think it over carefully before agreeing to any deal with the Jazz.

Well, yes, if we look at it that way, the Gobert trade (5 picks in the draft) was a positive trade (or not)... but is there really a possibility that they get 7 draft picks for Mitchell? Is this extremely viable for the team?

Because they would be trading a excelent player for NBA rookies, that is, it would be something uncertain, because we wouldn't know if the nba rookies will be promising players.

If you are trying to rebuild, it is the best way forward, I guess. Just look at the teams that rebuild from the scratch. Golden State was successful in building a dynasty team from draft picks and some notable trades. Celtics is also on the verge of doing it. They have built around Tatum and Brown, their own picks. They are successful enough to reach the Finals last season. And I do not think that that is their peak. We can still expect more from Tatum, Brown, and company to achieve more. Also, it would be cheaper to acquire rookies with great potential than a high-paid star when rebuilding.

[agustina2]

Also, it would be cheaper to acquire rookies with great potential than a high-paid star when rebuilding.

Out of 30 teams, it's only about 1-2 teams that are successful in rebuilding with only young guys.

Teams should not just focus on just to wait for promising rookies.

If there is a team that affords to sign a player with a good caliber, risking some $$$ can be considered as long as that's not the only plan of that team but instead will do their best to provide quality teammates on that main player they aggressively signed.

[jossiel]

If that's the internal problem, there's really a need for the management to solve it.

But as for trades, if there's a necessary player that they have to trade, there will goes the rumor. Most likely, the fans would love to see Westbrick go away and be traded.

While for Davis, he has to stay. We will see it then as we're about to see the season to start very soon and it's just a few months away.

It's a problem that has been happening especially last season, it has not been solved yet. You know, when the Lakers won the championship, we already know that Davis was injury prone before he got acquired by the Lakers but that season he was healthy most of the time, especially in the playoffs that's why they got the win.

Yeah, he was healthy during that time.

And the solution for this will come from the management but as far as I can see, there's no need for them trade him out of the team. Lebron likes to be with Davis and we all knew about that.

Because he's the one that's left the team while the others were traded after getting the championship back then.

[harizen]

Udonis Haslem signs a one-year contract with the Miami Heat and that will be his last season for the team. Despite low average playing time and only playing a few games within the last six seasons, the Miami Heat reportedly convinced him as they still need his locker room presence.

What's on my mind is that they want Haslem to be part of those players who stayed in the franchise for 20+ seasons. Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant are the only players in history to do that. This upcoming season, Haslem marked his 20th season on the Miami Heat.

It makes sense to believe for me that's the reason aside from appreciation by the Miami Heat.

[Viscore]

But Westbrook for Irving? That would not happen, he was even traded by the Wizards because he did not fit in their system, in fact, when he got traded Wizards improved, it not only due to the injury problem, they have a chance to be in the playoffs last season.

The problem with Westbrook is he really didn't give much outstanding performance which many fans expect. And he is now the target of bashing then blame him every game they lose so maybe he was so affected with it mentally that's why we see his games so broken. For sure for his past performance many teams will doubt to get him because they might get the same issue with him.

Lakers is indeed a powerful team so its players should also represent the outstanding performances that the team needs. However, with Westbrook, even if he has not made outstanding performances in the previous games, but I don’t think Lakers will pursue trading Westbrook, instead the team will add more players that bring more asset to the team.

[goinmerry]

Lakers is indeed a powerful team so its players should also represent the outstanding performances that the team needs. However, with Westbrook, even if he has not made outstanding performances in the previous games, but I don’t think Lakers will pursue trading Westbrook, instead the team will add more players that bring more asset to the team.

One more season with Russell Westbrook and let's see if his inconsistency last season will be changed. Actually, he won't have to put great numbers per game as long as he is consistent in providing good support for the team. In fairness to him, he can play the entire season without even experiencing a minor injury. Still athletic as always and not injury prone. He just needs to find a way to become his former self where he is draining shots consecutibely and has the ability to slash the paint to put up a score + foul.

With Lebron James and Anthony Davis returning also on the court next season, I hope their trio will now worked effectively alongside their role player teammates.

[yahoo62278]

Lakers is indeed a powerful team so its players should also represent the outstanding performances that the team needs. However, with Westbrook, even if he has not made outstanding performances in the previous games, but I don’t think Lakers will pursue trading Westbrook, instead the team will add more players that bring more asset to the team.

One more season with Russell Westbrook and let's see if his inconsistency last season will be changed. Actually, he won't have to put great numbers per game as long as he is consistent in providing good support for the team. In fairness to him, he can play the entire season without even experiencing a minor injury. Still athletic as always and not injury prone. He just needs to find a way to become his former self where he is draining shots consecutibely and has the ability to slash the paint to put up a score + foul.

With Lebron James and Anthony Davis returning also on the court next season, I hope their trio will now worked effectively alongside their role player teammates.

If Westbrook is still with the Lakers at the start of the season, I would expect it to be from the Bench. I don't think they feel he is the same player as 5 years ago. It also kinda says something about what the rest of the league thinks about him since there has been basically no market for him. I know his contract is big to take on, but if a team felt that he would help them win a deal would have been done by now.

[wheelz1200]

Also, it would be cheaper to acquire rookies with great potential than a high-paid star when rebuilding.

Out of 30 teams, it's only about 1-2 teams that are successful in rebuilding with only young guys.

Teams should not just focus on just to wait for promising rookies.

If there is a team that affords to sign a player with a good caliber, risking some $$$ can be considered as long as that's not the only plan of that team but instead will do their best to provide quality teammates on that main player they aggressively signed.

Trading away a bunch of young players and 6 or 7 1st round picks will completely hamstring the Knicks going forward.  Jazz want young players too.  Nba is about bench strength too and the Knicks would be stripped of their youth bench as well as the ability to trade a pick or 2 all the way through 2029.  This would be the death trade for them.  Donovan isn't worth theor next 8 years of future, he isn't moving the needle that much.  It ain't happening Leon rose knows that too.