2024 NBA Season

[Baofeng]

Draymond Green wants four-year max extension, willing to explore other teams if Warriors won't pay, per report
Draymond Green is cooking something.
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I admire his hard work and love for the game but there should always be a limit to what you could get. By asking for more money, he is restricting the entry of good roleplayers to be part of their team.

There is no harm in trying anyway. If the warriors bite, then it is all good. And if not, well he can try fishing if another team will bite. And if all fails, he still has player options in 2023-24 season. Luck favors the bold and he is testing it.

I wish that's the case, trying to secure good pay so that if ever no team will pick him up he got lots of money in his pocket already.
That had been the case in the past few years, always about the money being secured, they all want it max and free for an option to be traded.
As I checked different NBA-related pages on Facebook, most of the discussions were about the loyalty of players. Dirk, Kobe, Steph, and other players.
But some have their opinions like "fuck loyalty", it's a different era now and money will always win.
Dirk was offered $92M by the Lakers and Rockets but stayed with the Mavs for a 3-year contract of just $25M way back 2014.

I do agree we are in a different era now, players can demand, and they are in total control of their destiny regardless of what contract they have. Kyrie has a way to get from contracts, Simmons doesn't want to play and so he is traded. And now Durant showing intention that he wanted to get out of Nets despite the money they offer him. As much as we wanted players like Green to have loyalty with the Warriors since they drafted him and it's the team that he won his championship, making his name. But sooner or later he will probably leave to chase bigger money. It's no longer about the championship or the ring, he already had 4. Now it's about money for him and retire with a lot of it.

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[jakelyson]

Draymond Green wants four-year max extension, willing to explore other teams if Warriors won't pay, per report
Draymond Green is cooking something.
...
I admire his hard work and love for the game but there should always be a limit to what you could get. By asking for more money, he is restricting the entry of good roleplayers to be part of their team.

There is no harm in trying anyway. If the warriors bite, then it is all good. And if not, well he can try fishing if another team will bite. And if all fails, he still has player options in 2023-24 season. Luck favors the bold and he is testing it.

I wish that's the case, trying to secure good pay so that if ever no team will pick him up he got lots of money in his pocket already.
That had been the case in the past few years, always about the money being secured, they all want it max and free for an option to be traded.
As I checked different NBA-related pages on Facebook, most of the discussions were about the loyalty of players. Dirk, Kobe, Steph, and other players.
But some have their opinions like "fuck loyalty", it's a different era now and money will always win.
Dirk was offered $92M by the Lakers and Rockets but stayed with the Mavs for a 3-year contract of just $25M way back 2014.

We cannot blame the players if they want to have the biggest paycheck possible. Basketball career is very short and can end abruptly. They do not know how long they can stay in NBA. While they are healthy and still at the peak of their career, they will try to get that max contract as much as possible because you may never know when that career ending injury can happen. And if they can get that paycheck by moving around, so be it. There are only very few players who have talent enough and luck enough to stay loyal and still get that huge contract.

Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was illegible for max contract in Boston, but he got injured before he can secure it. That one injury turned his supposed big paycheck into almost nothing. He got traded and now, just a few years later, he is gone in the league.

[Reid]

Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was illegible for max contract in Boston, but he got injured before he can secure it. That one injury turned his supposed big paycheck into almost nothing. He got traded and now, just a few years later, he is gone in the league.

One of the saddest story in NBA. Now he is having a hard time to go back at being an NBA player. 2 time All-Star, All-NBA second team, helped the Celtics to be on top of the East again and yet he was like a garbage thrown because of an injury. Just like that.
DeMarcus Cousins is another story to be looked but it seems he is trying his best to be on top shape again.
Helped the Nuggets during the playoffs while being pounded by the Warriors, his former team. He put good numbers in the defensive end and I wish they will give him another contract as it gives Jokic a lot of rest time when he is around.

[Pamadar]

But now, seems to be different, there are players that talk loyalty, but at the back of their mind, they wanted huge pay and that's why players like Draymond might have that mindset. Loyalty will not bring them money and so be if. Look for teams that will offer them the money they want.

It will secure their future if they can sign the max contract that they wanted to have,

there's no assurance if how long you can stay healthy or if by fate shit happens and you get a major injury that will change the
direction of your career.

It's not just Green, but there are other stars or feeling to be a star who will ask for higher pay rate and there are teams who are
willing to bring that contract to take the player onboard.

[OgNasty]

One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.

[wheelz1200]

Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was illegible for max contract in Boston, but he got injured before he can secure it. That one injury turned his supposed big paycheck into almost nothing. He got traded and now, just a few years later, he is gone in the league.

One of the saddest story in NBA. Now he is having a hard time to go back at being an NBA player. 2 time All-Star, All-NBA second team, helped the Celtics to be on top of the East again and yet he was like a garbage thrown because of an injury. Just like that.
DeMarcus Cousins is another story to be looked but it seems he is trying his best to be on top shape again.
Helped the Nuggets during the playoffs while being pounded by the Warriors, his former team. He put good numbers in the defensive end and I wish they will give him another contract as it gives Jokic a lot of rest time when he is around.

It's not that they just get trashed like garbage, nba is super tight in terms of what can be done.  There are salary caps and only 15 spots on the team.  Baseball is different you can pay for loyalty if the owner wants to without hindering your ability to get top notch guys.  And injuries tend to do that for lots of players.  Basketball is demanding on the body and no one wants to pay and take up a spot for a guy who just got wrecked.  Then once they are out of the league it's tough to break back in.  Tons of guys had to walk away not on theor own terms.

[CLS63]

There is still a disagreement between Kevin Durant and Brooklyn Nets now. I mean that the team want to keep him in the next season too but he wants to be traded as soon as possible. Nets are targeting to keep the quality of the squad well now. As you might have heard Irving is also likely to leave the team. If they lose both of their superstars then I would lower my expectations from them next season.

For now, Irving might join Lakers in exchange for Westbrook and Durant can go to Suns or Heat. By the way Lakers would be very happy to get rid of Westbrook and sign a much better player like Irving. 

[dwyane36]

Basketball is demanding on the body and no one wants to pay and take up a spot for a guy who just got wrecked.  Then once they are out of the league it's tough to break back in.  Tons of guys had to walk away not on theor own terms.

Unfortunately, injuries in basketball are inevitable, and sometimes the careers of very promising players are simply ruined because of it. Obviously, 82 games in a regular season plus a playoff series every year is a pretty serious strain on the body of any player. At moments like this, I just realize that LeBron has phenomenal athleticism and health. Honestly, I'm still impressed with LeBron's performance last season because he averaged 30 points per game even though he's 37 years old.

[SirLancelot]

Injury is definitely one of the defining parts of basketball career of a player. Stockton was known for being an ironman, played for a decade without missing. Lebron is also on the path for something close, sure he missed some games or sit out some others but dude played for 20 years now, and still going on very strong without much detoriation. So all in all, if you get injuries, then you will not be that lucky to bounce back and have a great career after that.

Brandon Roy comes to mind as well, or Greg Oden who was one of the last few big men that played old school, after him, we started to slowly grow into smaller lineups and nobody like that ever succeeded again, even if they were good.

[harizen]

Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was illegible for max contract in Boston, but he got injured before he can secure it. That one injury turned his supposed big paycheck into almost nothing. He got traded and now, just a few years later, he is gone in the league.

That was really an unfortunate experience for him. Because of his injury after being an almost season MVP during his prime years, from an expected max contract in Boston Celtics which play around $200M, he was being traded and no choice but to accept a lower deal.

The same thing happened with DeMarcus Cousins when he becomes eligible on max contact during his tenure at New Orleans Pelicans. I even remember posting about it here years ago in this thread regarding that. Unfortunately, Cousins tore his achilles and now forced to sign a small contract since then.

If I'm wrong about Cousins, anyone can correct me. That was way back years so I might forgot already some of the exact details.

[Baofeng]

Injury is definitely one of the defining parts of basketball career of a player. Stockton was known for being an ironman, played for a decade without missing. Lebron is also on the path for something close, sure he missed some games or sit out some others but dude played for 20 years now, and still going on very strong without much detoriation. So all in all, if you get injuries, then you will not be that lucky to bounce back and have a great career after that.

Brandon Roy comes to mind as well, or Greg Oden who was one of the last few big men that played old school, after him, we started to slowly grow into smaller lineups and nobody like that ever succeeded again, even if they were good.

Yes, Oden was one, he was the top pick in 2007, even ahead of Durant, unfortunately, we didn't see how great he was as injuries really took him out of the NBA.

As for Isiah Thomas, when he was in Boston and having a statistics that we haven't seen a while for a guy like him, he was really having a great season. But he was playing injured already. And as far as his revelation Celtics told him that it is not career threatening so he continue to play until he can't bear the pain anymore. And again, same thing happen, he wasn't able to recovered from his hip injuries and then got traded. He then blame the Celtics though, and him trusting their doctors and organization that he is still ok and just continue to play.

[Dave1]

Injury is definitely one of the defining parts of basketball career of a player. Stockton was known for being an ironman, played for a decade without missing. Lebron is also on the path for something close, sure he missed some games or sit out some others but dude played for 20 years now, and still going on very strong without much detoriation. So all in all, if you get injuries, then you will not be that lucky to bounce back and have a great career after that.

Yeah, and you can't put the argument about era's, I mean previous era was brutal in terms of physical as compare to to today but we still got players get injured and that's it. There are just a shade of them when they come back. Perhaps those who are pone to injures are very athletic NBA players?

One player that comes to my mind is of course the Iron Man himself, - AC Green. And if I'm not mistaken, still holds the record for most consecutive game played in regular season, it was like 1000 game or more. And he played in the era wherein it was really tough to defend. And he usually defended the opposing team's power forward to center position. And his streak was almost broken in the mid 90's when he was elbowed in the face, but he continue to play wearing a protective mask.

[danherbias07]

One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.

That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming. 

[mirakal]

One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.

That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming. 

If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.

[Japinat]

One thing Green has on his side is that he's part of the "Big 3" in the Warriors organization.  Stephen Curry has already come out and basically said that if they want to keep him happy, they'll resign Draymond to the max. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-rumors-warriors-could-create-a-huge-rift-with-stephen-curry-over-draymond-green-s-situation/ar-AA10826E?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=9039e762dead4e93874088df74505872

I think it's pretty clear Draymond is not a max player.  He might be extremely valuable to the Warriors given how his skillset is utilized, but he's on the downhill slide of his career and it's obvious.  He's become a liability as a shooter, and he's not getting any quicker.  I think the Warriors would actually be wise to let him go and develop Wiseman more, but I can't imagine the Warriors management doing anything that would make Curry upset.  It's likely that they'll look at any additional money they have to pay Draymond as a fee to keep Curry happy.

That one may best describe what is happening.
Keep Curry happy and we might make another championship. But this will mean a lot of money coming out of their pockets and it also means tons of luxury tax waiting for them.
I may be impressed with the patience of Draymond to let the play work out before passing the ball, but in terms of the Warriors being cornered, he cannot do anything when the ball is still in his hand.
Let's see what Wiseman will bring when he comes back to the NBA floor, maybe that will change the perspective of their management after a year or a couple. That could be the reason why Green is looking for a longer contract, a threat is coming. 

If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.

So what would happen, is Curry trying to threaten the organization that there could be a conflict if they will not give Draymond's demand? I think the organization knows what they are doing, though in a team we have some superstars who are just working for the team, they are paid by the management and they have to respect the decision of the management.

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

[Russlenat]

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

[passwordnow]

If they will not grant Green's request to get a max salary and that will create a conflict between Curry and the organization, I think that's not good. Although Draymond is not a superstar but the Warriors are playing like a team, the big 3 is very significant for their success, so it's best to keep that intact than adding players which might not help if Draymond would not pay well because he was disappointed.

Woah, I wasn't updated with the happenings with the GSW from this point through Dray. Well, the final say will still come from the management if the demand will be given or not.

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

It is rarely happening but due to the achievements of these players, they're demanding and want to be comfortable with what they've got. I guess this is a hot pot now and a lot to say about this issue. Well, if Steph asks for a trade, the management won't allow it for sure.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

I think it's common amongst great organization, even the Bulls during their second championship run, Jordan and Pippen has issues with Bulls general manager, Jerry Krause. And yet they were able to make a second 3peat. Didn't request for a trade because it's almost non-existent that time. But now we have cases like the Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving drama, and then Durant requesting a trade. If Curry or Green do the same, then the Warriors will break apart. And that's how dynasty's are broken. Sooner or later there will be issues that the management and players disagree.

[Japinat]

The conflict between players is common, but the conflict between players and management, that's very rare.

Yes, but it's happening already, the conflict is usually between the management and the superstar of the team because a superstar knows his value, if he will leave or gets traded, the knows that other teams are willing to accept him. Take it for instance, what if Curry will ask for a trade, for sure teams will be hoping that they can get him as currently he is the best player in the NBA.

I think it's common amongst great organization, even the Bulls during their second championship run, Jordan and Pippen has issues with Bulls general manager, Jerry Krause. And yet they were able to make a second 3peat. Didn't request for a trade because it's almost non-existent that time. But now we have cases like the Ben Simmons and Kyrie Irving drama, and then Durant requesting a trade. If Curry or Green do the same, then the Warriors will break apart. And that's how dynasty's are broken. Sooner or later there will be issues that the management and players disagree.

I hope the management will listen to their players, the big 3 made the team successful, even before Durant joined the Warriors, they are already a championship team and have won championships already. Good thing Curry was playing like a real MVP and he was able to carry this team to win another championship, without either Klay or Green, for sure Curry will not be able to achieve that success.

[inthelongrun]

So the Brooklyn Nets is demanding more returns on a KD trade not just because the Utah Jazz and San Antonio Spurs received a lot of pieces from their Rudy Gobert and Dejounte Murray trades but because it is still hoping to keep Durant. But I don't think KD will want to stay in Brooklyn with Irving and Simmons. Brooklyn should prioritize trading these 2 drama queens and maybe KD will want to stay with them.