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June 26, 2023, 03:01:38 AM
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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

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June 26, 2023, 04:01:44 AM
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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

I think that's a bad deal.
Why pay 100 million for 3 years for a guy who is averaging a tripple single.  Grin

Of course he has "veteran leadership" and is a 2 way player, but not for that money. Age is also a big factor, also his brain farts he likes to produce. Never forgetting his endless run of flagrant fouls and brain less buzzer beater attempts instead of passing the ball to Steph or Klay.

He is a deserving franchise player but you should make this a better business decision, especially with the new CBA coming.


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June 26, 2023, 06:37:42 AM
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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

I think that's a bad deal.
Why pay 100 million for 3 years for a guy who is averaging a tripple single.  Grin

Of course he has "veteran leadership" and is a 2 way player, but not for that money. Age is also a big factor, also his brain farts he likes to produce. Never forgetting his endless run of flagrant fouls and brain less buzzer beater attempts instead of passing the ball to Steph or Klay.

He is a deserving franchise player but you should make this a better business decision, especially with the new CBA coming.



If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.

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June 26, 2023, 08:41:40 AM
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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

I think that's a bad deal.
Why pay 100 million for 3 years for a guy who is averaging a tripple single.  Grin

Of course he has "veteran leadership" and is a 2 way player, but not for that money. Age is also a big factor, also his brain farts he likes to produce. Never forgetting his endless run of flagrant fouls and brain less buzzer beater attempts instead of passing the ball to Steph or Klay.

He is a deserving franchise player but you should make this a better business decision, especially with the new CBA coming.



If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.


I will rest my case on how the management will take care of this matter,

I do believe that they know it well more than how readers and fans are looking at it. Business wise, Warriors need to
consider the good ties of all those supporters knowing how they value the contributions that Greens gave them from
the past. Though on the other side, affecting Klay might be another concern if they will give Green huge offer if they
will grant what he's asking they might be having some concern after Thompson's contract.
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June 26, 2023, 10:07:26 AM
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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

I think that's a bad deal.
Why pay 100 million for 3 years for a guy who is averaging a tripple single.  Grin

Of course he has "veteran leadership" and is a 2 way player, but not for that money. Age is also a big factor, also his brain farts he likes to produce. Never forgetting his endless run of flagrant fouls and brain less buzzer beater attempts instead of passing the ball to Steph or Klay.

He is a deserving franchise player but you should make this a better business decision, especially with the new CBA coming.



If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.


I will rest my case on how the management will take care of this matter,

I do believe that they know it well more than how readers and fans are looking at it. Business wise, Warriors need to
consider the good ties of all those supporters knowing how they value the contributions that Greens gave them from
the past. Though on the other side, affecting Klay might be another concern if they will give Green huge offer if they
will grant what he's asking they might be having some concern after Thompson's contract.

That might be another problem to solve since for sure next to that if they give what Green ask Klay will might provably demand what he deserve for and I think maybe this will be a huge problem with Warriors because they will lose a lot with this request. Imagine what woll happen next to this so provably this trio will separate ways due to salary issue and might we can't see them retire wearing Warriors jersey because of this.

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June 26, 2023, 10:11:39 AM
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If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.

I disagree. He may have affected the performance of the Warriors but I still see Steph Curry as their leader. It's just that, he doesn't talk much but his presence can obviously be seen.
Plus, it ain't Draymond Green that made the Warriors fun to watch, it was Steph Curry back when he was with other players, without Draymond. Remember, he was just fished from the bench but it was Curry's arrival that made the Warriors alive again. Since Don Nelson. Back at the time when they lack players, mostly injured.

$100m for 3 years is such a huge contract. I don't know if it's worth it or not but it will affect their salary cap and I think this is also being selfish just because they already achieved their goal of a championship. Some players like James Harden would give way with their contracts being cut just to attain a championship ring, but here it's not becoming teamwork anymore. If it happens, I really doubt the Warriors will be champions again. A congested salary cap means fewer good roleplayers. If Steph or Klay gets injured again, they will be in the worst position.
Let's not forget, they also have Wiggins with a big contract.

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So it might be a 3 year deal for Green worth $100 Million++
Damn! That's a huge L for the Warriors if they grant Green that much for a 3-year deal imo. I think $80M would be the more ideal or the max contract they should offer. That's probably enough money to show respect for his previous contributions to the team that brought four championships before they part ways. This is great for Draymond if he gets that over $100M and probably bad for Klay when he becomes a UFA next season.

I think that's a bad deal.
Why pay 100 million for 3 years for a guy who is averaging a tripple single.  Grin

Of course he has "veteran leadership" and is a 2 way player, but not for that money. Age is also a big factor, also his brain farts he likes to produce. Never forgetting his endless run of flagrant fouls and brain less buzzer beater attempts instead of passing the ball to Steph or Klay.

He is a deserving franchise player but you should make this a better business decision, especially with the new CBA coming.
The thing with Draymond is that he knows how to sell himself, but if we look at his stats, yeah, doesn't look good in paper. He might bring what we call intangibles though, the leadership and of course he knows the system of Steve Kerr, screen, picks, fake hand off and others that make the Warriors great.

So we will see, definitely Klay's contract could be in question for next year, unless they parted ways with Wiggins or Looney or whoever or even CP3, or whoever they think is not going to help them in the long run, just like how they dump Jordan Poole.

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The latest DeAndre Ayton rumor is that the Suns are going to trade him in a three team deal for Tobias Harris… I think this would be a huge mistake on pretty much every level. I think Ayton has a higher ceiling, I think he meets the needs of the Suns better than Harris, and I think he’s a more valuable player right now. I hope the Suns do better than that for Ayton.

They really need to fix their team by not trading him because he has been a huge asset to the team's performance for the last few years; it may be that they think they are not getting to the finals again, but without him, it would be even more problematic because there are no much choices out there to replace him. Since KD is on the roster now, they need to work out with him and build their chemistry, and what they need to do is consistent in winning in the next season so that they will be in the best spot in the playoffs again.

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But I don't think that the Warriors will give him the same digits though if Draymond Green wishes to come back and wear the same jersey because after all, NBA is a business, and the franchise will always look for an option so that somehow, they can save even a bit from their player's contracts. As of now, there are no speculations about Green's future plans like whether he'll be back or not but I'm thinking that his agent might've talked to some teams already that could give them what they wanted.

Sad to say Draymond Green is looking for higher pay next season, given the pay cut of players in the Golden State Warriors consisting of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Andrew Wiggins, and Kevon Looney, and right now Draymond Green declined his player option of $27million with the Warriors which means his next destination to other teams grow this is really bad Green is known as the glue for the Warriors Dynasty and I really don't like it if he's going to play for other teams,

Right now Ryan Rollins, Jordan Poole, and Patrick Baldwin Jr. have all gone to the Washington Wizards in a trade to CP3,


Green is the heart of Warriors defense. He is the key player that makes Warriors still effective on defense even though most of their players like Klay and Curry is useless on defense. Green is doing everything to make this team play in both offense and defense while he is not being valued like that.

I think he is aiming for more appreciation from other team or Warriors. Losing a veteran and effective player like Green will make Warriors a mediocre team once again since Klay and Curry is not that sharp anymore.

Klay Thompson and Stephen Curry are playing defense aswell, even though they are not that effective they are doing what they can in that division, but surely Draymond Green is very crucial to the team, and now if he leaves the team, and because he declined his player option this is a large probability that Draymond Green is likely moving on to another team which for me is a big loss for the Warriors,


If that's true, I suppose Green doesn't like Paul because Green's value on the court will be much lower. I mean, Green averaged 6.8 assists per game last season, and that's not bad for a power forward. However, if Green stays with the Warriors next season, his assists per game will be significantly lower since assists are primarily Paul's prerogative.
That's just my guess, and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there's just some personal animosity between Green and Paul.

He has much respect for the guy and Chris Paul is also a friend of Stephen Curry but he doesn't really like the guy I really don't know why but maybe as you have said because of Chris Paul's entrance to the Warriors his value will surely decline and if CP3 is in the team then there will be an added pay cut for the Warriors, and they still don't have big guns to the team, while Green is looking for higher pay this season, this could be bad or this could also be an elaborate tricked for the reporters in what Draymond Green is doing,

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June 26, 2023, 10:48:43 AM
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The latest DeAndre Ayton rumor is that the Suns are going to trade him in a three team deal for Tobias Harris… I think this would be a huge mistake on pretty much every level. I think Ayton has a higher ceiling, I think he meets the needs of the Suns better than Harris, and I think he’s a more valuable player right now. I hope the Suns do better than that for Ayton.

They really need to fix their team by not trading him because he has been a huge asset to the team's performance for the last few years; it may be that they think they are not getting to the finals again, but without him, it would be even more problematic because there are no much choices out there to replace him. Since KD is on the roster now, they need to work out with him and build their chemistry, and what they need to do is consistent in winning in the next season so that they will be in the best spot in the playoffs again.

Trading him should be the last resort in my opinion. We witnessed the issues during the last playoffs when Ayton wasn't performing at his best. It appeared as though he no longer wanted to stay with the Suns. Even though he possesses talent as a big man, it's not worthwhile to keep him on a team where he is no longer happy to play.

Durant and Booker already form a good combination; they just need to be surrounded by great role players and not individuals who would disrupt the team's chemistry.

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If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.

I disagree. He may have affected the performance of the Warriors but I still see Steph Curry as their leader. It's just that, he doesn't talk much but his presence can obviously be seen.
Plus, it ain't Draymond Green that made the Warriors fun to watch, it was Steph Curry back when he was with other players, without Draymond. Remember, he was just fished from the bench but it was Curry's arrival that made the Warriors alive again. Since Don Nelson. Back at the time when they lack players, mostly injured.

$100m for 3 years is such a huge contract. I don't know if it's worth it or not but it will affect their salary cap and I think this is also being selfish just because they already achieved their goal of a championship. Some players like James Harden would give way with their contracts being cut just to attain a championship ring, but here it's not becoming teamwork anymore. If it happens, I really doubt the Warriors will be champions again. A congested salary cap means fewer good roleplayers. If Steph or Klay gets injured again, they will be in the worst position.
Let's not forget, they also have Wiggins with a big contract.

At first, I am doubtful of Green's chances of getting a $100 million contract but when GSW decided to let go of Jordan Poole, it probably means the management is negotiating in order to keep him. The contract will hurt a lot though, I don't even think they will reach the conference finals. It's like a selfish move by Green knowing some more proven stars like Harden, Nowitzki, and many more made sacrifices to keep the team competitive.

There are teams that are showing interest in Green and they add more pressure on GSW to meet the demands of Green. So aside from the rumors of a 3-year $100 million deal, there is really a chance that Green will indeed get his original demand of a max contract. 

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If we look solely at the stats, we might criticize or think that he is overvalued. However, man, the Warriors definitely know what they are doing, and even if you ask an expert, they'll say that Green is truly one of the major reasons the Warriors achieved their previous championships. I would say that Green is the obvious leader of the team. Without him, this Warriors team might struggle and wouldn't be as fun to watch anymore.
The Warriors face a true dilemma. Losing a lynchpin like Green would tilt the scales, yet the fallout can't be ignored. Meeting Green's terms could stir the pot, especially around Thompson's paycheck. The honchos must think beyond cash—team camaraderie and chemistry hang in the balance. It's not just about one superstar's deal, no matter how game-changing they are.

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Rumors are that Damian Lillard is not happy that the Trailblazers didn’t try and trade their pick to get him some win now help. He’s also basically stated that he wants to be in Miami with Bam and Jimmy. It seems like this is going to happen and probably going to happen this week. I still think the Beal trade is the big move so far though.

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June 26, 2023, 05:27:12 PM
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The latest DeAndre Ayton rumor is that the Suns are going to trade him in a three team deal for Tobias Harris… I think this would be a huge mistake on pretty much every level. I think Ayton has a higher ceiling, I think he meets the needs of the Suns better than Harris, and I think he’s a more valuable player right now. I hope the Suns do better than that for Ayton.

They really need to fix their team by not trading him because he has been a huge asset to the team's performance for the last few years; it may be that they think they are not getting to the finals again, but without him, it would be even more problematic because there are no much choices out there to replace him. Since KD is on the roster now, they need to work out with him and build their chemistry, and what they need to do is consistent in winning in the next season so that they will be in the best spot in the playoffs again.

Trading him should be the last resort in my opinion. We witnessed the issues during the last playoffs when Ayton wasn't performing at his best. It appeared as though he no longer wanted to stay with the Suns. Even though he possesses talent as a big man, it's not worthwhile to keep him on a team where he is no longer happy to play.

Durant and Booker already form a good combination; they just need to be surrounded by great role players and not individuals who would disrupt the team's chemistry.


Yes, in terms of chemistries KD and Booker already shows respect with each other, they need good role players who can read that
setup and create more open spaces for both superstars.

They don't need anyone who will play an individual talent but someone who can contribute more with the defensive side, though can also
offer good offensive threats, a 2-way player who can connect with how KD and Booker play the game.

Though for me, working with Ayton would be a good decision for a big man who can give you decent stats from both sides.
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June 26, 2023, 05:58:13 PM
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Not official, it could be just a rumor, but I heard that the Knicks is pursuing Zach Lavine? It says that the Bull are looking for young players and future draft picks and of course salaries as well.

So it might be Brunson, LaVine and then Randle for their own version of big 3. Bulls have been inconsistent in the last 2 seasons though, we thought that they might be a different version with the acquisition of DeRozan but it seem they have been plague with injuries.

I'm inclined if that will indeed happen because the Knicks duo is going to need another player to keep their stats working and so that the team will achieve much further than what they had in the last run plus I don't know why the New York Knicks were really silent in the draft night.

Anyway, regarding about that speculation. I've read that Zach Lavine is not interested with it, so it's a no-no.

Zach LaVine camp would be against a Knicks trade: source

Ok good, and maybe that rumor is not true at all, but who knows, there are some crazy trades that is going around.

As for the Ayton trade, yes it should be made, the guy obviously wanted out of the Phoenix Suns based on his performance and those who are critical about it. But in exchange of Tobias Harris? they are already loaded with scorers and shooters already, KD and Booker is already good for Phoenix now. They already let go of CP3, so they might at least get a good big man in exchange of Ayton and not another scorer. Bad decision for the management in this one and I think the Suns are going to be Nets 2.0.

Ayton trade is still possible as the franchise will not really hold him as a hostage if he really wishes to be trade into a specific team but considering the situation that they are in currently, the Phoenix Suns will not just let him go if they cannot get a decent big man because without a big man, KD and Booker cannot do their thing as their defense can be penetrated easily. Seriously not Tobias Harris.

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June 26, 2023, 06:09:00 PM
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I don't know what is up with the Phoenix Suns lately because they kept on changing their rosters instead of keeping them intact to have a much deeper connection and bond with each other to improve their rhythm. I'd say that the Suns are so thirsty to have that chip on their franchise and having those rush decisions just because of their thirst will just lead them into another unwanted road. I mean, Tobias Harris in-exchange for Ayton? C'mon man!
They're not just comfortable with their current roster setup and they think that changing a lot will make them stable and get on a better finish this upcoming season. Honestly, I think that they should have just kept their roster and just make a few changes if it's really necessary. These set of trades and firing that they've made changed totally a lot on them, a lot of money also spent but we will never know until the season comes if they're well spent or not. Anyone looking to the Rockets that these trades should be on them to take actions? Or any rumor within the team and about the trade offers that they're getting and offering to other teams?

Right? They cannot just expect that changing a roster will just bring them to a much higher seed and finish much further in the post season games because even if we say that the players they have acquired are good, they will still have the same outcome because they will be playing blind as they aren't that comfortable with each other, hence why a bond is needed to earn trust and connection.

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Rumors are that Damian Lillard is not happy that the Trailblazers didn’t try and trade their pick to get him some win now help. He’s also basically stated that he wants to be in Miami with Bam and Jimmy. It seems like this is going to happen and probably going to happen this week. I still think the Beal trade is the big move so far though.

Be interested in who Miami would have to move definitely hero, but other than that I can't see anything that Portland would want.  Seems like a good spot but if they are gonna shop Dame they can get a lot of nice packages that Miami might not be able to match.  Near term picks aren't worth much since if they scooped up Dame it's likely those 1sts will be late firats.

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June 26, 2023, 08:40:06 PM
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The latest DeAndre Ayton rumor is that the Suns are going to trade him in a three team deal for Tobias Harris… I think this would be a huge mistake on pretty much every level. I think Ayton has a higher ceiling, I think he meets the needs of the Suns better than Harris, and I think he’s a more valuable player right now. I hope the Suns do better than that for Ayton.

They really need to fix their team by not trading him because he has been a huge asset to the team's performance for the last few years; it may be that they think they are not getting to the finals again, but without him, it would be even more problematic because there are no much choices out there to replace him. Since KD is on the roster now, they need to work out with him and build their chemistry, and what they need to do is consistent in winning in the next season so that they will be in the best spot in the playoffs again.

They need to trade Ayton because they need to free up cap space for role players. The big 3 already eaten up the salary cap and if they do not release Ayton, they will have problems surrounding their 3 stars with the right role players. Anyway, I think Ayton was not happy with the Sun the way they played with his contract last year. Without CP3 on the lineup, he will not get the passes that he needs to be effective in the team. Moving to another team will give him a fresh start and show more of what he can do.

Rumors are that Damian Lillard is not happy that the Trailblazers didn’t try and trade their pick to get him some win now help. He’s also basically stated that he wants to be in Miami with Bam and Jimmy. It seems like this is going to happen and probably going to happen this week. I still think the Beal trade is the big move so far though.

He will be a good help to Jimmy Butler, offense-wise. But how much that will cost Miami? Seeing that Miami does not have many players to trade for Damian, I think it will cost them a lot of first-round picks.

Ayton trade is still possible as the franchise will not really hold him as a hostage if he really wishes to be trade into a specific team but considering the situation that they are in currently, the Phoenix Suns will not just let him go if they cannot get a decent big man because without a big man, KD and Booker cannot do their thing as their defense can be penetrated easily. Seriously not Tobias Harris.

I really do not know how the Suns will turn out this season. Hopefully, they can fill up their roster with quality players that can help in defense. They traded too much to have that firepower but without defense, it will all be for nothing since it is already proven that all offense does not win championships. It is still way better to have a good defense than pure offense.
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June 26, 2023, 09:50:17 PM
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It's a tough decision for him.

But, we all know what's in it for him already and we just have to wait for further news regarding his signing/declining of contract. Whether it'll be again with the Warriors which he had already declined it.

Or, whether it's with a new team that he wants to get signed then his fans will just have to continue supporting him. Just like Poole that had been traded, he just had to bear with the reality or it should be everyone.

Nothing is certain inside NBA. We don't know if he will receive another offer to play back after he grants his option, time
for him to re-negotiate and see if what are his other options are .

Green knows how to play and he will use everything to enjoy his option. I really love seeing him still with the splash
bro, that strong bonds between them are already established, we all know the communication is very important
and with them alongside the court, they all know where to go and where to find each other, something that I can say
that the management will also look upon.
Unless you're a truly superstar and you're bagging money to the team. We saw superstars on how they can jump from teams to teams and those that have been loyal as well.

Their suggestions and thoughts are important to a team and that's what's being respected to them by their management. Thus, they're being taken care of by them and given special treatment to the best that they can.

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June 26, 2023, 11:45:29 PM
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Rumors are that Damian Lillard is not happy that the Trailblazers didn’t try and trade their pick to get him some win now help. He’s also basically stated that he wants to be in Miami with Bam and Jimmy. It seems like this is going to happen and probably going to happen this week. I still think the Beal trade is the big move so far though.
No doubt. That Bradley Beal trade seems to be the most trend of all.

I thought so, that draft is going to make a lot of issues for Portland. I sacrificed my bet for Scoot Henderson as the 3rd pick but I actually thought the Trail Blazers will pick a big guy for Damian Lillard. Now that they took Scoot, might as well trade him, that should be the next step for it, but they didn't and I guess that means a lot of thinking for their star Dame. Like, "Will they use Scoot now as the face of the franchise?" "Will they trade Dame instead?"
It's a lot of trouble for guys with the same position especially if you have the other one as a star. This is why the Hornets didn't pick Scoot and instead took Brandon Miller to avoid conflict.

The big question, "Is there still a chance to trade Scoot or have they already made him sign a contract? "Will they let Lillard go and build a team with Scoot?" This is going to be a big decision for the Trail Blazers as Lillard had been pushing them for years to acquire good roleplayers for him.

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