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November 15, 2019, 09:06:39 AM
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What percentage of all DCR have been mined? I believe Decred's "scaling debate"/biggest test to the blockchain governance in practice would be if to "increase/change the block reward/schedule without increasing the supply cap", or "increase the supply cap".

First pie chart as you scroll down Cheesy
https://dcrstats.com/


Years, and years away. But wait for it, miners will not mine if the incentives to mine, can't pay for the costs to mine. It's economic reality.


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November 15, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

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There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?


Name a few
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 #10884

In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.
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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

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November 16, 2019, 10:32:15 AM
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...The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

I know of course about this but still what is the main use case for Decred? And if there is any then who is actually using Decred for this purpose? I hope it is clear enough?

We all know that experts assume that only 10% from all cryptocurrencies will survive in the end and the most important thing for each altcoin, token or any other cryptocurrency is to have a use case or at least to find its place on the crypto market like BTC as the safe heaven or XRP used for transactions because is fast, cheap and scalable.

There are already 3000 altcoins so 10% would be around 30 cryptocurrencies. Only so much will stay and that is why we have to start to ask the right questions and think properly about it.  There are many alts that are dying actually. Let's take all masternodecoins which on the hype of high ROI boomed in 2018 and today almost all of them lost 99% of the value.

We have to rethink if a particular coin is actually still needed at the end of the 2019 year and what will happen with it in 2020 and later?

Just look at all infrastructure projects like ETH, Waves, Wings, Stratis, etc. In the hype of ICO and Dapps building they also boomed but to be honest there are no Daaps which are known and widely used, additionally ICOs market changed and now we have IEO and in 2020 there will be no ICOs anymore.

So tell me please who is using Decred actually today and for what?

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...The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

I know of course about this but still what is the main use case for Decred? And if there is any then who is actually using Decred for this purpose? I hope it is clear enough?

We all know that experts assume that only 10% from all cryptocurrencies will survive in the end and the most important thing for each altcoin, token or any other cryptocurrency is to have a use case or at least to find its place on the crypto market like BTC as the safe heaven or XRP used for transactions because is fast, cheap and scalable.

There are already 3000 altcoins so 10% would be around 30 cryptocurrencies. Only so much will stay and that is why we have to start to ask the right questions and think properly about it.  There are many alts that are dying actually. Let's take all masternodecoins which on the hype of high ROI boomed in 2018 and today almost all of them lost 99% of the value.

We have to rethink if a particular coin is actually still needed at the end of the 2019 year and what will happen with it in 2020 and later?

Just look at all infrastructure projects like ETH, Waves, Wings, Stratis, etc. In the hype of ICO and Dapps building they also boomed but to be honest there are no Daaps which are known and widely used, additionally ICOs market changed and now we have IEO and in 2020 there will be no ICOs anymore.

So tell me please who is using Decred actually today and for what?

Many people, including me, use it as a store of value, just like btc.
But I prefer decred to believe that it will have a higher appreciation than bitcoin in the coming years.
DCR will appreciate in front of the btc, I see nothing that prevents decred from reaching where dash, monero and eth have already arrived. around 0.1 btc.
In addition there are several blockchain projects in the real world that use dcr, mainly in Brazil, such as www.originalmy.com
It is a company that intends to replace the notary's and that serves for general document and patent filings. Originalmy has already been accepted as legal evidence by the Brazilian Supreme Court.
The creator of originalmy is currently in eastern Europe, creating solutions for the Estonian and Latvian governments using the decred and DCRtime blockchain.
In Brazil there are also companies that pay your bills and receive decred.
Soon we will have a prepaid visa card which will be loaded with dcr and can be used in any store .

These are just small examples from the community I created in Brazil.
originalmy.com and its creator have no connection with decred's developers.
He is just a currency investor who has great ideas and has found a way to make money and disclose dcr through currency blockchain.
This is how a consistent ecosystem should be created.
With community action, just as it is with bitcoin.
Expecting developers to do everything, even find use for currency, is the biggest mistake everyone else makes.


EDIT: Some Brazilian companies that use decred through originalmy

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

you are not safe from the "powers that be" when they decide to nuke you off the map  Roll Eyes  wait for it.

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.


Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

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Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

Dude, you've been answered about it dozens of times but seems that you don't want to see the answer and don't stop repeating that fallacy.

It's not worth it financially for anyone to do in decred what happened to eth/etc and btc/bch when communities splited by centralized decisions and lack of consensus, which makes it "impossible" in DCR.

About copying and pasting the code from github, creating another currency and giving it any name you want, it can be done with any currency.
 It's up to the market to assess whether it deserves any respect or not.
So this is another currency, starting from scratch, there is no link to the previous blockchain. The whole story is deleted. The smart contracts made will not be present, nor will the records in the original blockchain.
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November 17, 2019, 04:01:43 PM
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...

Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

Dude, you've been answered about it dozens of times but seems that you don't want to see the answer and don't stop repeating that fallacy.

It's not worth it financially for anyone to do in decred what happened to eth/etc and btc/bch when communities splited by centralized decisions and lack of consensus, which makes it "impossible" in DCR.

About copying and pasting the code from github, creating another currency and giving it any name you want, it can be done with any currency.
 It's up to the market to assess whether it deserves any respect or not.
So this is another currency, starting from scratch, there is no link to the previous blockchain. The whole story is deleted. The smart contracts made will not be present, nor will the records in the original blockchain.

time to REBOOT the DECRED blockchain because CENTRALIZED GOVERNANCE !!!  Roll Eyes  NOOB!!

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November 17, 2019, 06:23:27 PM
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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.


Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

There's one very important nuance though, and that's the difference between a forked repo, and a forked chain. A forked chain that has a contentious hard fork growing on it shares the same previous block history as the "legit" chain.
A forked repo doesn't. The only thing it shares with the "legit" chain is some subset of the source code, and we all know that a successful crypto project is WAYYY more than just its source. Bob and Sally can go fork the Decred repo and name their coin Decred Classic if they wish, but nothing in that chain history will show anything of Decred. It would in fact, just be some other crypto coin. And history has shown us already: copy pasta crypto coins are rarely more than a scam. The market doesn't usually acknowledge such coins.  Cheesy

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November 17, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.


Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

There's one very important nuance though, and that's the difference between a forked repo, and a forked chain. A forked chain that has a contentious hard fork growing on it shares the same previous block history as the "legit" chain.
A forked repo doesn't. The only thing it shares with the "legit" chain is some subset of the source code, and we all know that a successful crypto project is WAYYY more than just its source. Bob and Sally can go fork the Decred repo and name their coin Decred Classic if they wish, but nothing in that chain history will show anything of Decred. It would in fact, just be some other crypto coin. And history has shown us already: copy pasta crypto coins are rarely more than a scam. The market doesn't usually acknowledge such coins.  Cheesy


without replay protection ~ what makes you think the original chain nodes will not be sybil attacked via malicious state actors? Smiley weeee

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November 18, 2019, 12:19:09 AM
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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.


Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

There's one very important nuance though, and that's the difference between a forked repo, and a forked chain. A forked chain that has a contentious hard fork growing on it shares the same previous block history as the "legit" chain.
A forked repo doesn't. The only thing it shares with the "legit" chain is some subset of the source code, and we all know that a successful crypto project is WAYYY more than just its source. Bob and Sally can go fork the Decred repo and name their coin Decred Classic if they wish, but nothing in that chain history will show anything of Decred. It would in fact, just be some other crypto coin. And history has shown us already: copy pasta crypto coins are rarely more than a scam. The market doesn't usually acknowledge such coins.  Cheesy


without replay protection ~ what makes you think the original chain nodes will not be sybil attacked via malicious state actors? Smiley weeee

Without PoS votes on the validity of contentious blocks, a sybil attack isn't an actual attack vector in this scenario.
Try again Gem Cheesy

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In my opinion, Decred was always a decent project with a dedicated team.

We can see that the development is ongoing and lately we have some strong moves upwards price wise and that is why I started to wonder what is so special about Decred, despite this what I have already mentioned?

There are other better, faster and cheaper altcoins that already are used for transfers, we have BTC which has found a place as digital gold and safe haven and to be honest I don't hear anything about Decred implementations or use cases?

Community governance sounds very good and to be honest, on this hype Decred makes his way to the top 50 on CMC, but what is the future for Decred?

You didn't say anything about privacy and the lightning network that is already implemented in v1.5 release candidadate1 recently released


EDIT: There is no other currency as safe against attacks as decred.
         DCR is more safe than bitcoin
         The governance system through politeia allows any new feature on market to be implemented if the stakeholders wish.

On-chain governance system works until a motivated minority stops following the majority. Remember, changes in the network are permanent. What happens if there's a group dedicated enough not to accept those changes?

Dedicated minorities don't mean beans for Decred Cheesy Chain splits like what happened with BTC/BCH and ETH/ETC can't happen in Decred (next to impossible). Check out my earlier post for sauce:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1290358.msg52950978#msg52950978


Can't happen? What if there was a motivated minority that didn't want the "new feature" in an upgrade? What if the majority already voted in 1GB blocks, and the minority didn't want it? What if the miners need to change the supply cap to support their costs, and the majority voted for it, but the minority didn't want it?

What would happen to the minority? They wouldn't have the ability to fork, and split away?

Unless a "minority" has sufficient voting power in the form of staked tickets, then no, they can't create a contentious hard fork. Decred is specifically designed to make contentious forks unprofitable, and in fact, costly for a minority to continue operating.
If some group doesn't ultimately agree with the majority of stakeholders, they can fork the github repo, rename it, and release their own coin.

That said, I'm pretty sure Politeia has a 60/40 approval threshold on proposals.


Or rename it to Decred Classic, "the real for-the-community Decred". I'm not sure of what's technically possible, but that was the point of the debate. On-chain governance can't stop a community of different standpoints from breaking apart, and splitting away.

There's one very important nuance though, and that's the difference between a forked repo, and a forked chain. A forked chain that has a contentious hard fork growing on it shares the same previous block history as the "legit" chain.
A forked repo doesn't. The only thing it shares with the "legit" chain is some subset of the source code, and we all know that a successful crypto project is WAYYY more than just its source. Bob and Sally can go fork the Decred repo and name their coin Decred Classic if they wish, but nothing in that chain history will show anything of Decred. It would in fact, just be some other crypto coin. And history has shown us already: copy pasta crypto coins are rarely more than a scam. The market doesn't usually acknowledge such coins.  Cheesy

That's true. But it's only a scam from the standpoint of the original because of different "visions". Plus I'm not convinced that a contentious hard fork is impossible because it's not profitable. The motivated minority can sell Decred from the main chain to support the fork.

I'm a Decred HODLER, but I believe the coin is only successful until that first chain split.

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November 18, 2019, 07:24:32 AM
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I'm a Decred HODLER, but I believe the coin is only successful until that first chain split.

Seriously? So in your opinion, coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum are not successful?
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November 18, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
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I prefer decred to believe that it will have a higher appreciation than bitcoin in the coming years.
DCR will appreciate in front of the btc, I see nothing that prevents decred from reaching where dash, monero and eth have already arrived. around 0.1 btc...

Remember about Litecoin. Despite everything (second crypto ever, fair launch, LN, etc.) still, the price never reached higher than 0.02BTC.

...several blockchain projects in the real world that use dcr, mainly in Brazil, such as www.originalmy.com...
The creator of originalmy is currently in eastern Europe, creating solutions for the Estonian and Latvian governments using the decred and DCRtime blockchain.
In Brazil there are also companies that pay your bills and receive decred.
Soon we will have a prepaid visa card which will be loaded with dcr and can be used in any store...

This is what I wanted to hear and see, which are real use cases for Decred. To be honest this is not much for an almost 4 years old cryptocurrency but is always better than nothing. Let's hope that there will be indeed more companies interested in Decred because this is the only way for this project to survive.

...Expecting developers to do everything, even find a use for currency, is the biggest mistake everyone else makes.

I just can't agree and think that cryptocurrency should at least have a purpose or any use case when developed because we already have more than 2970 cryptocurrencies that are trying to find the place on the market and to be honest without real use cases I don't see this to happen.

As I said we are entering the 2020 year and today is not enough only to launch a cryptocurrency to be successful exactly as until 2017. Today competition is so big that if your crypto is not special and doesn't have any purpose, then there are already hundreds of altcoins like this and they already lost 99% of the value until today.

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