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June 14, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
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 Yeah trading volume really isn't a concern I'm not sure if you noticed but there is a decimal.. Bitcoin will only ever have 21 million coins and will  take many years to get to that total.. With looking at 21 million and world population and world funds traded daily.. Limited supply would be looked at way more negatively.. But well it's not.. That's Bc limited trade volume increases price.. Also which has been pointed out there are constant deposits in the neighborhood of 60k or more that are due to open more and more frequently from this point on..

To the other point about large supply driving down price.. By the way I think it's strange that you look at large supply as lowering the price but limited supply not as raised price.. Anyway the best part of HOdlcoin it attracts investors with their big boy pants on.. Meaning ppl who are not investing the rent money and who can handle the commitment of a 1 year investment.. These are the same ppl that can deal with a huge TD opening and if the buy volume isn't there or the price isn't right they will simply relock that huge TD and get ~200% interest which is what it will be around then..


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Hello everyone!

I see another problem with major exchanges and that is the current available supply of hodl for trading.
If i'm right then there are only 35% of all mined coins available for trading, 65% are locked in TD.

Major exchanges expect major trading volumes which hodl just can't deliver because the lack of coins.

So good luck finding an exchange which will list hodlcoin!

And furthermore about March 2017 there will be a huge amount of coins from TDs and almost everyone will try to sell.
This will drop the price to almost zero.

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Not an issue!

Since Cryptsy, most people have decided to keep 90% of their net crypto portfolios in their own wallets anyway.

I would be certain, most exchanges have same inventory issues, which is why they've set up faster deposit and withdrawal speeds.

Poloniex has been highly selective for 12 months.



To touch on the "huge amount of coins from TDs", this is simply not an issue either.  There is not a single point in time where all of the term deposits are unlocked..they are all staggered and are continuing to be made.  If you use the resources such as Fuzzbawls block explorer and the charts provided on that site, you can see that there is no huge spike in coin supply like a lot of people have expressed concern about.  You will see a pretty modest curve.  And if you examine the way the bonus interest is set to taper away, you'll find that there is still significant incentive to re-HOdl those funds that have been unlocked by March of 2017.



If people who have been mining hard and hodling from the beginning re-hodl all those coins, they could (individually) be holding millions of coins the following year when they come out of time lock.

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June 14, 2016, 09:13:43 PM
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hahahhaa Cheesy this is the hodor coin after all

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June 14, 2016, 09:37:20 PM
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Yeah trading volume really isn't a concern I'm not sure if you noticed but there is a decimal.. Bitcoin will only ever have 21 million coins and will  take many years to get to that total.. With looking at 21 million and world population and world funds traded daily.. Limited supply would be looked at way more negatively.. But well it's not.. That's Bc limited trade volume increases price.. Also which has been pointed out there are constant deposits in the neighborhood of 60k or more that are due to open more and more frequently from this point on..

To the other point about large supply driving down price.. By the way I think it's strange that you look at large supply as lowering the price but limited supply not as raised price.. Anyway the best part of HOdlcoin it attracts investors with their big boy pants on.. Meaning ppl who are not investing the rent money and who can handle the commitment of a 1 year investment.. These are the same ppl that can deal with a huge TD opening and if the buy volume isn't there or the price isn't right they will simply relock that huge TD and get ~200% interest which is what it will be around then..

Just for clarification, it's the large increase in supply over a short time caused by maturing TDs that will drive down the price.
What they do with the matured coins depends on how HOdl performs from now till then. A common strategy would be to
dump half and reinvest the other half. Any deviation from a planned strategy would depend more on the future prospects
for the coin at that time based on past performance and trends.

Limited supply is not always viewed negatively. It creates scarcity which has an upward bias on price which increases the
market cap and the value of the trading volume.

Any new coin trying to get listed is affected by a smaller market cap, meaning lower trade volume. When 2 thirds of a new
coins market cap is tied up and not available for trading it has a bigger effect.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a negative for HOdl in the long term, only that the unusually slow growth in tradeable
coins, and the resulting lower trade volume, can be expected to delay being invited to the big board. It's a matter of time, not if.

The big unsanswerable question is what ppl will do when the time comes. If they roll over their maturing TDs then scarcity
will continue and trade volume will remain stable and so should the price. If they dump the extra sell volume will drive down the price.

But you're right it's not for the timid.

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And who knows what other innovations are coming? In a year there may be crypto bonds offered by third parties so you can
get interest on your BTC or other coins. Who knows? Certainly not me.

Since the concept of interest and locked up funds is new for crypto there is no history from which to extrapolate.
It's all just a gamble.
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That's actually a hell of an idea.  Use HODL for the bonds.  Since HODL already has the structure in place for interest, why not offer bonds, or perhaps better would be CD's so they are not held indefinitely, held in HODL coins for other cryptocurrencies?  So you give a third party company 1btc (or 1LTC, or ETH, or whatever).  They subtract a small fee, HODL enough hodl coins to cover the current cost of BTC/HODL for a time period specified by you, and it earns it's interest.  When the time period is up, the third party company gives you back your BTC plus interest.  Now, any individual could do that on their own on an exchange by simply buying and selling hodl coins, but here's the twist.  The company locks in the exchange rate for (in this case) Hodl/BTC at the time the bond is purchased.  So if you buy a bond while BTC is at 1btm per hodl and the hodl price jumps to 1BTC per hodl by the time you turn in your CD, your BTC plus interest is still returned to you at the 1btm exchange level.  You pay the company a fee to ensure price stability for your investment.

Yes, it could to the other way and hodl price could drop or BTC could rise and you would 'lose' on the deal, but that's the gamble you take to get a stable interest rate on your cryptocurrency.  thoughts?

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And who knows what other innovations are coming? In a year there may be crypto bonds offered by third parties so you can
get interest on your BTC or other coins. Who knows? Certainly not me.

Since the concept of interest and locked up funds is new for crypto there is no history from which to extrapolate.
It's all just a gamble.

That's actually a hell of an idea.  Use HODL for the bonds.  Since HODL already has the structure in place for interest, why not offer bonds, or perhaps better would be CD's so they are not held indefinitely, held in HODL coins for other cryptocurrencies?  So you give a third party company 1btc (or 1LTC, or ETH, or whatever).  They subtract a small fee, HODL enough hodl coins to cover the current cost of BTC/HODL for a time period specified by you, and it earns it's interest.  When the time period is up, the third party company gives you back your BTC plus interest.  Now, any individual could do that on their own on an exchange by simply buying and selling hodl coins, but here's the twist.  The company locks in the exchange rate for (in this case) Hodl/BTC at the time the bond is purchased.  So if you buy a bond while BTC is at 1btm per hodl and the hodl price jumps to 1BTC per hodl by the time you turn in your CD, your BTC plus interest is still returned to you at the 1btm exchange level.  You pay the company a fee to ensure price stability for your investment.

Yes, it could to the other way and hodl price could drop or BTC could rise and you would 'lose' on the deal, but that's the gamble you take to get a stable interest rate on your cryptocurrency.  thoughts?

No need to convert, the bonds could be held in BTC or whatever other coin the seller chooses.
Bonds could also be tradeable like real bonds. Tradeable HOdl TDs might be a possibility if it is
possible to transact them, but I don't think it is.

PS. I corrected the quotes.

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June 14, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
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Quote from: joblo
And who knows what other innovations are coming? In a year there may be crypto bonds offered by third parties so you can
get interest on your BTC or other coins. Who knows? Certainly not me.

Since the concept of interest and locked up funds is new for crypto there is no history from which to extrapolate.
It's all just a gamble.

That's actually a hell of an idea.  Use HODL for the bonds.  Since HODL already has the structure in place for interest, why not offer bonds, or perhaps better would be CD's so they are not held indefinitely, held in HODL coins for other cryptocurrencies?  So you give a third party company 1btc (or 1LTC, or ETH, or whatever).  They subtract a small fee, HODL enough hodl coins to cover the current cost of BTC/HODL for a time period specified by you, and it earns it's interest.  When the time period is up, the third party company gives you back your BTC plus interest.  Now, any individual could do that on their own on an exchange by simply buying and selling hodl coins, but here's the twist.  The company locks in the exchange rate for (in this case) Hodl/BTC at the time the bond is purchased.  So if you buy a bond while BTC is at 1btm per hodl and the hodl price jumps to 1BTC per hodl by the time you turn in your CD, your BTC plus interest is still returned to you at the 1btm exchange level.  You pay the company a fee to ensure price stability for your investment.

Yes, it could to the other way and hodl price could drop or BTC could rise and you would 'lose' on the deal, but that's the gamble you take to get a stable interest rate on your cryptocurrency.  thoughts?

No need to convert, the bonds could be held in BTC or whatever other coin the seller chooses.
Bonds could also be tradeable like real bonds. Tradeable HOdl TDs might be a possibility if it is
possible to transact them, but I don't think it is.

PS. I corrected the quotes.

ty for correcting the quotes. 
I would assume the CD company would have a sufficient stock of HODL to be able to use those coins in the HODLing deposit transaction, so I would think that the coins given to them (btc or whatever) would not be converted into HODL but rather simply held in their current form and the interest earned HODLing would be sold to make up the necessary addition to the BTC deposit.  I don't think that's what you mean though in which case I don't understand.

It occurs to me that there would have to be some kind of fiat contingency insurance offered so that if someone deposits shitecoins in a HODL cd and the currency no longer exists when the CD matures the depositer doesn't lose everything. The value (at least the interest) would be returned in USD (or perhaps offered in HODL) etc.

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And who knows what other innovations are coming? In a year there may be crypto bonds offered by third parties so you can
get interest on your BTC or other coins. Who knows? Certainly not me.

Since the concept of interest and locked up funds is new for crypto there is no history from which to extrapolate.
It's all just a gamble.

That's actually a hell of an idea.  Use HODL for the bonds.  Since HODL already has the structure in place for interest, why not offer bonds, or perhaps better would be CD's so they are not held indefinitely, held in HODL coins for other cryptocurrencies?  So you give a third party company 1btc (or 1LTC, or ETH, or whatever).  They subtract a small fee, HODL enough hodl coins to cover the current cost of BTC/HODL for a time period specified by you, and it earns it's interest.  When the time period is up, the third party company gives you back your BTC plus interest.  Now, any individual could do that on their own on an exchange by simply buying and selling hodl coins, but here's the twist.  The company locks in the exchange rate for (in this case) Hodl/BTC at the time the bond is purchased.  So if you buy a bond while BTC is at 1btm per hodl and the hodl price jumps to 1BTC per hodl by the time you turn in your CD, your BTC plus interest is still returned to you at the 1btm exchange level.  You pay the company a fee to ensure price stability for your investment.

Yes, it could to the other way and hodl price could drop or BTC could rise and you would 'lose' on the deal, but that's the gamble you take to get a stable interest rate on your cryptocurrency.  thoughts?

No need to convert, the bonds could be held in BTC or whatever other coin the seller chooses.
Bonds could also be tradeable like real bonds. Tradeable HOdl TDs might be a possibility if it is
possible to transact them, but I don't think it is.

PS. I corrected the quotes.

ty for correcting the quotes. 
I would assume the CD company would have a sufficient stock of HODL to be able to use those coins in the HODLing deposit transaction, so I would think that the coins given to them (btc or whatever) would not be converted into HODL but rather simply held in their current form and the interest earned HODLing would be sold to make up the necessary addition to the BTC deposit.  I don't think that's what you mean though in which case I don't understand.

It occurs to me that there would have to be some kind of fiat contingency insurance offered so that if someone deposits shitecoins in a HODL cd and the currency no longer exists when the CD matures the depositer doesn't lose everything. The value (at least the interest) would be returned in USD (or perhaps offered in HODL) etc.

And the CD company gets to benefit from any downturns  (or upturns depending on which currency you are talking about) in the market given that they know exactly how much interest will be earned.  So if someone locks in at $700 BTC, and they are owed 50BTM in interest, the CD company can buy that 50btm at any point during the CD term when BTC drops below $700, or they can sell HODL if the exchange rate goes above where it was locked in, in order to get the necessary BTC in interest to pay the CD holder.  And they profit either way.

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I would assume the CD company would have a sufficient stock of HODL to be able to use those coins in the HODLing deposit transaction, so I would think that the coins given to them (btc or whatever) would not be converted into HODL but rather simply held in their current form and the interest earned HODLing would be sold to make up the necessary addition to the BTC deposit.  I don't think that's what you mean though in which case I don't understand.

It occurs to me that there would have to be some kind of fiat contingency insurance offered so that if someone deposits shitecoins in a HODL cd and the currency no longer exists when the CD matures the depositer doesn't lose everything. The value (at least the interest) would be returned in USD (or perhaps offered in HODL) etc.

And the CD company gets to benefit from any downturns  (or upturns depending on which currency you are talking about) in the market given that they know exactly how much interest will be earned.  So if someone locks in at $700 BTC, and they are owed 50BTM in interest, the CD company can buy that 50btm at any point during the CD term when BTC drops below $700, or they can sell HODL if the exchange rate goes above where it was locked in, in order to get the necessary BTC in interest to pay the CD holder.  And they profit either way.

No contingency, it's part of the risk just like real bonds. Remember junk bonds?

Bond sellers can do whatever they want with the funds, the bond is just a promise to pay it back on a certain date
and with a specified interest, again just like real bonds.

One hinderence will be regulation and investor protection from fraud. One of the goals of crypto is to remain unregulated.
At the moment that is working because the market is still small. Our feds have already studied crypto and came to the
conclusion it isn't big enough to be concerned about, yet. But at some point, as crypto continues to grow, it will.

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omg is it really.... we need some plans other than hodl i guess to take up the coin further Smiley

                                       
                                       
                                       
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To touch on the "huge amount of coins from TDs", this is simply not an issue either.  There is not a single point in time where all of the term deposits are unlocked..they are all staggered and are continuing to be made.  If you use the resources such as Fuzzbawls block explorer and the charts provided on that site, you can see that there is no huge spike in coin supply like a lot of people have expressed concern about.  You will see a pretty modest curve.  And if you examine the way the bonus interest is set to taper away, you'll find that there is still significant incentive to re-HOdl those funds that have been unlocked by March of 2017.



Sound points here by bRitz and Sam - there is plenty enough HODL available for trade by those who want to, and plenty coming on stream each day. There's no issue with too large an amount coming online suddenly and this is public information with Fuzz's mature supply chart online for all to reference.

I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

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I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

I vote for improving the management of TDs in the wallet. I even tried cut/paste into a spreadsheet but it
won't let me even do that. TDs are the distinguishing feature of HOdl, that's where your focus should be.

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omg is it really.... we need some plans other than hodl i guess to take up the coin further Smiley


Keep calm, and Hodl.  Remember that the most recent darling of the crypto world, ETH, had a flat price 6 months in.  Now everyone can't get enough of it.  You can't declare a project dead just because it didn't go up like a rocket from the very beginning.  Coins that do that don't seem to last that long anyway.  HODL will have its time if you have the patience.  And if you have no patience, Hodl for a year and the patience comes built in (along with some nice interest).

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well said mate...hodl then  Grin

                                       
                                       
                                       
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I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

I vote for improving the management of TDs in the wallet. I even tried cut/paste into a spreadsheet but it
won't let me even do that. TDs are the distinguishing feature of HOdl, that's where your focus should be.

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in the arrogance being displayed. Twice in the past few days I've raised
the issue of TD management and not even an acknowledgement.

Now the post above which translated means "We're going to whatever we want but we're going to make a web site so
users think they have a say."

There also appears to be an organised propaganda campaign. Whenever someone says anything negative about HOdl
users come out of nowhere to shoot them down.

Too many red flags popping up. I'm begining to think I've made a mistake believing in this coin.

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June 16, 2016, 03:46:31 AM
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HOdlcoin will pop back up come time all the yearly term deposits become unlocked, right then is when we will hear news.

Just sit, wait and HOdl Wink

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June 16, 2016, 04:14:47 AM
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HOdlcoin will pop back up come time all the yearly term deposits become unlocked, right then is when we will hear news.

Just sit, wait and HOdl Wink

Yup and when those term deposits are up there will be so much interest the markets will be flooded with HODL.  Hopefully the price rebounds its been taking a beating lately, especially on Yobit which is subject to massive price manipulation.
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