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June 14, 2016, 10:43:04 PM
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And who knows what other innovations are coming? In a year there may be crypto bonds offered by third parties so you can
get interest on your BTC or other coins. Who knows? Certainly not me.

Since the concept of interest and locked up funds is new for crypto there is no history from which to extrapolate.
It's all just a gamble.

That's actually a hell of an idea.  Use HODL for the bonds.  Since HODL already has the structure in place for interest, why not offer bonds, or perhaps better would be CD's so they are not held indefinitely, held in HODL coins for other cryptocurrencies?  So you give a third party company 1btc (or 1LTC, or ETH, or whatever).  They subtract a small fee, HODL enough hodl coins to cover the current cost of BTC/HODL for a time period specified by you, and it earns it's interest.  When the time period is up, the third party company gives you back your BTC plus interest.  Now, any individual could do that on their own on an exchange by simply buying and selling hodl coins, but here's the twist.  The company locks in the exchange rate for (in this case) Hodl/BTC at the time the bond is purchased.  So if you buy a bond while BTC is at 1btm per hodl and the hodl price jumps to 1BTC per hodl by the time you turn in your CD, your BTC plus interest is still returned to you at the 1btm exchange level.  You pay the company a fee to ensure price stability for your investment.

Yes, it could to the other way and hodl price could drop or BTC could rise and you would 'lose' on the deal, but that's the gamble you take to get a stable interest rate on your cryptocurrency.  thoughts?

No need to convert, the bonds could be held in BTC or whatever other coin the seller chooses.
Bonds could also be tradeable like real bonds. Tradeable HOdl TDs might be a possibility if it is
possible to transact them, but I don't think it is.

PS. I corrected the quotes.

ty for correcting the quotes. 
I would assume the CD company would have a sufficient stock of HODL to be able to use those coins in the HODLing deposit transaction, so I would think that the coins given to them (btc or whatever) would not be converted into HODL but rather simply held in their current form and the interest earned HODLing would be sold to make up the necessary addition to the BTC deposit.  I don't think that's what you mean though in which case I don't understand.

It occurs to me that there would have to be some kind of fiat contingency insurance offered so that if someone deposits shitecoins in a HODL cd and the currency no longer exists when the CD matures the depositer doesn't lose everything. The value (at least the interest) would be returned in USD (or perhaps offered in HODL) etc.

And the CD company gets to benefit from any downturns  (or upturns depending on which currency you are talking about) in the market given that they know exactly how much interest will be earned.  So if someone locks in at $700 BTC, and they are owed 50BTM in interest, the CD company can buy that 50btm at any point during the CD term when BTC drops below $700, or they can sell HODL if the exchange rate goes above where it was locked in, in order to get the necessary BTC in interest to pay the CD holder.  And they profit either way.

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I would assume the CD company would have a sufficient stock of HODL to be able to use those coins in the HODLing deposit transaction, so I would think that the coins given to them (btc or whatever) would not be converted into HODL but rather simply held in their current form and the interest earned HODLing would be sold to make up the necessary addition to the BTC deposit.  I don't think that's what you mean though in which case I don't understand.

It occurs to me that there would have to be some kind of fiat contingency insurance offered so that if someone deposits shitecoins in a HODL cd and the currency no longer exists when the CD matures the depositer doesn't lose everything. The value (at least the interest) would be returned in USD (or perhaps offered in HODL) etc.

And the CD company gets to benefit from any downturns  (or upturns depending on which currency you are talking about) in the market given that they know exactly how much interest will be earned.  So if someone locks in at $700 BTC, and they are owed 50BTM in interest, the CD company can buy that 50btm at any point during the CD term when BTC drops below $700, or they can sell HODL if the exchange rate goes above where it was locked in, in order to get the necessary BTC in interest to pay the CD holder.  And they profit either way.

No contingency, it's part of the risk just like real bonds. Remember junk bonds?

Bond sellers can do whatever they want with the funds, the bond is just a promise to pay it back on a certain date
and with a specified interest, again just like real bonds.

One hinderence will be regulation and investor protection from fraud. One of the goals of crypto is to remain unregulated.
At the moment that is working because the market is still small. Our feds have already studied crypto and came to the
conclusion it isn't big enough to be concerned about, yet. But at some point, as crypto continues to grow, it will.

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dying coin

omg is it really.... we need some plans other than hodl i guess to take up the coin further Smiley

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June 15, 2016, 04:16:35 AM
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To touch on the "huge amount of coins from TDs", this is simply not an issue either.  There is not a single point in time where all of the term deposits are unlocked..they are all staggered and are continuing to be made.  If you use the resources such as Fuzzbawls block explorer and the charts provided on that site, you can see that there is no huge spike in coin supply like a lot of people have expressed concern about.  You will see a pretty modest curve.  And if you examine the way the bonus interest is set to taper away, you'll find that there is still significant incentive to re-HOdl those funds that have been unlocked by March of 2017.



Sound points here by bRitz and Sam - there is plenty enough HODL available for trade by those who want to, and plenty coming on stream each day. There's no issue with too large an amount coming online suddenly and this is public information with Fuzz's mature supply chart online for all to reference.

I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

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http://bitcoinocracy.com/

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June 15, 2016, 04:10:24 PM
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I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

I vote for improving the management of TDs in the wallet. I even tried cut/paste into a spreadsheet but it
won't let me even do that. TDs are the distinguishing feature of HOdl, that's where your focus should be.

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June 15, 2016, 08:24:56 PM
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omg is it really.... we need some plans other than hodl i guess to take up the coin further Smiley


Keep calm, and Hodl.  Remember that the most recent darling of the crypto world, ETH, had a flat price 6 months in.  Now everyone can't get enough of it.  You can't declare a project dead just because it didn't go up like a rocket from the very beginning.  Coins that do that don't seem to last that long anyway.  HODL will have its time if you have the patience.  And if you have no patience, Hodl for a year and the patience comes built in (along with some nice interest).

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well said mate...hodl then  Grin

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I think the next steps for HODL is improving the website, and implementing Bitocracy so the HOdlers may have their say on the future of the coin.

I vote for improving the management of TDs in the wallet. I even tried cut/paste into a spreadsheet but it
won't let me even do that. TDs are the distinguishing feature of HOdl, that's where your focus should be.

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in the arrogance being displayed. Twice in the past few days I've raised
the issue of TD management and not even an acknowledgement.

Now the post above which translated means "We're going to whatever we want but we're going to make a web site so
users think they have a say."

There also appears to be an organised propaganda campaign. Whenever someone says anything negative about HOdl
users come out of nowhere to shoot them down.

Too many red flags popping up. I'm begining to think I've made a mistake believing in this coin.

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HOdlcoin will pop back up come time all the yearly term deposits become unlocked, right then is when we will hear news.

Just sit, wait and HOdl Wink

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HOdlcoin will pop back up come time all the yearly term deposits become unlocked, right then is when we will hear news.

Just sit, wait and HOdl Wink

Yup and when those term deposits are up there will be so much interest the markets will be flooded with HODL.  Hopefully the price rebounds its been taking a beating lately, especially on Yobit which is subject to massive price manipulation.
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HOdlcoin will pop back up come time all the yearly term deposits become unlocked, right then is when we will hear news.

Just sit, wait and HOdl Wink

Yup and when those term deposits are up there will be so much interest the markets will be flooded with HODL.  Hopefully the price rebounds its been taking a beating lately, especially on Yobit which is subject to massive price manipulation.
Those dumpers who keeps doing manipulation with this good project will be sorry because this coin build for a long time investment
the design of it will be more profitable when you hold it correctly, holder will get good rewards, dumpers will cry out loud.

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June 16, 2016, 05:15:46 AM
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I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in the arrogance being displayed. Twice in the past few days I've raised
the issue of TD management and not even an acknowledgement.


I'm aware of this problem. It's on the issues list and has been long before you raised it. It's not my top priority. If it is your top priority, it is an open source project. I'll happily merge any fixes you make or sponsor. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until someone who is contributing to make it a priority.

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June 16, 2016, 06:04:57 AM
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There also appears to be an organised propaganda campaign. Whenever someone says anything negative about HOdl
users come out of nowhere to shoot them down.


Well I'm certainly not part of any propaganda campaign..when someone comes in and raises issues that I see as false or framed incorrectly I am going to do my best to correct that comment.  I have been following HOdl from almost the beginning and understand/want to support this coin, so I jump in when I feel I can add information to help a doubtful user.  FreeTrade and Samsmith are both devs on the project so of course they are going to defend their work when someone brings up negative and unbacked speculation.  I have no experience with the user "thevictimofuktyranny" but seeing that he/she is a senior member with 448 posts I'm guessing probably not a propaganda artist.
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June 16, 2016, 07:26:23 AM
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The net hashrate has dropped a lot.  Sad Sad

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June 16, 2016, 11:14:19 AM
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The net hashrate has dropped a lot.  Sad Sad

And thats a bad thing? At the current prices even this hashrate is too much.

I would'nt expect a rebound soon. All altcoins are doing badly right now. This summer bitcoin and the halving will dominate in cryptoland.

After the fever's gone we'll see what' still around and whether it can recover

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June 16, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
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The net hashrate has dropped a lot.  Sad Sad

And thats a bad thing? At the current prices even this hashrate is too much.

I would'nt expect a rebound soon. All altcoins are doing badly right now. This summer bitcoin and the halving will dominate in cryptoland.

After the fever's gone we'll see what' still around and whether it can recover

Said it before:
Too many exclusive GPU/Botnet mined Coins on a dead Market is the road to 1 sat.
and no... Thats not a good and fair destribution thats simply wreckage.
BTC pump only triggered some big miners to dump their hodls on a dead market.
Cut Pow Rewards switch algo and introduce Block Reward doubling.
That would be a good thing to avoid Miner dumps on a dead Market over the btc Pump for now.
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June 16, 2016, 01:54:18 PM
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I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in the arrogance being displayed. Twice in the past few days I've raised
the issue of TD management and not even an acknowledgement.


I'm aware of this problem. It's on the issues list and has been long before you raised it. It's not my top priority. If it is your top priority, it is an open source project. I'll happily merge any fixes you make or sponsor. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until someone who is contributing to make it a priority.

Thanks for replying. Unfortunately I'm not a GUI programmer otherwise I would have done it already. Seems simple
enough for someone who knows what the're doing. It's essentially what every file manager already does, click on the
column header to change the sort key.

A TD export feature might be something I can do, I'll look into it.

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June 16, 2016, 05:36:42 PM
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@ocminer please fix the hash rate display + workers not updating now...

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