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[Naida_BR]

So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

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[swogerino]

So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

He deserves it after being at the same level if not better than Vettel in his first season at Ferrari.I was expecting Vettel at Mclaren but Riccardo nevertheless is also a good driver.I don’t think he has that extra mile needed to bring Mclaren back to the title even if they make a really good car for the 2021 season but let’s see.

[STT]

Hamilton is not going to Ferrari.

Dam shame, all the greats should drive for Ferrari at least one season.   Did they decide at 35 he is too old to start there as it might take a few years.   I would not rate Sainz a better choice (I remember his father and that name as a great in WRC) but he is alot younger with alot more leeway especially with the present day hijacked by this virus; perhaps they think he is more of an asset to develop alongside the car into a championship win.

[Naida_BR]

So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

He deserves it after being at the same level if not better than Vettel in his first season at Ferrari.I was expecting Vettel at Mclaren but Riccardo nevertheless is also a good driver.I don’t think he has that extra mile needed to bring Mclaren back to the title even if they make a really good car for the 2021 season but let’s see.

Well, ok. But Vettel has won so many championships, thus you cannot throw him away in such a way.
I don't think that Vettel is going to return to Red Bull as they have Max and he is pretty good. Maybe he is going to sign for Alfa Romeo and drive along with Raikkonen - it will be pretty fun to see them together.

[tokeweed]

Bet on it 😂😂 i think tomorrow are officially that Vettel and Sainz change the Team 😉.

And normally RBR relies on young drivers!?

Vettel is the special one.    But I think you would win the bet if we did it.

So...  Reading LTU's post, Leclerc will be the dude at Ferrari and what now for Hamilton?  Retirement?  Ooooo I think so.  Verstappen gets his seat.

*Still crossing fingers for Vettel home coming*

Edit:  It could also be:  Hamilton home coming to help the team.  OMG YES PLEASE!!!

[LTU_btc]

So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

He deserves it after being at the same level if not better than Vettel in his first season at Ferrari.I was expecting Vettel at Mclaren but Riccardo nevertheless is also a good driver.I don’t think he has that extra mile needed to bring Mclaren back to the title even if they make a really good car for the 2021 season but let’s see.

Well, ok. But Vettel has won so many championships, thus you cannot throw him away in such a way.
I don't think that Vettel is going to return to Red Bull as they have Max and he is pretty good. Maybe he is going to sign for Alfa Romeo and drive along with Raikkonen - it will be pretty fun to see them together.

He won't return to Red Bull - he is just too expensive for them. He also declined to join Mclaren - he want to race for championship contender. So, Renault or Alfa Romeo shouldn't be even considered. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/sebastian-vettel-consider-mercedes-not-mclaren-as-final-option-f1-news.html
Hamilton and Bottas contracts expire in 2021, it's likely that Totto Wolf may left team too. So, there may be big changes in Mercedes and it's likely that Seb will join them.
Also, I would call Sainz as obvious second driver. Leclerc also had to be 2nd initially, but we see how it ended.

[coinlocket$]

It all depends on the driver.
They are both young but Carlos is older than Charles and we know that when you are young it is difficult to submit to an even younger one, perhaps this is also the reason why Ferrari made him a contract of only 24 months.
As for Mercedes, it is true that Toto wants to leave!
He already wanted to do it this year but at this point, he will probably do it with the revolution of the cars and the expire of Hamilton's contract.
The question we need to ask ourselves now is where does Vettel go?

Ferrari NO.
RedBull NO, they have Max for already 40m € / year they can't pay another one the same salary
McLaren NO, they have Norris and Riccardo

For his salary, I can't see how he can join
Williams NO
Haas NO
Alfra Romeno NO
Alpha Tauri NO

Remains only
Mercedes? Hamilton will expire this year like Vettel but the only car where he can join is Ferrari IMHO and now Ferrari will have LeClerc and Sainz for 2 Years
Racing point aka Mercedes v2
Renault

The most probable is Renault or he will skip 1 year.

[Koal-84]

Big day big disappointment so far, Hamilton is not going to Ferrari.

Riccardo
Renault <-> Mclaren

Sains
McLaren <-> Ferrari

Sainz is not a bad driver but I don't think he got the factor "x" to be a champion, let's see...

I don't think Ferrari wants two "champions" drivers, one two much in this team...

It all depends on the driver.
They are both young but Carlos is older than Charles and we know that when you are young it is difficult to submit to an even younger one, perhaps this is also the reason why Ferrari made him a contract of only 24 months.
As for Mercedes, it is true that Toto wants to leave!
He already wanted to do it this year but at this point, he will probably do it with the revolution of the cars and the expire of Hamilton's contract.
The question we need to ask ourselves now is where does Vettel go?

Ferrari NO.
RedBull NO, they have Max for already 40m € / year they can't pay another one the same salary
McLaren NO, they have Norris and Riccardo

For his salary, I can't see how he can join
Williams NO
Haas NO
Alfra Romeno NO
Alpha Tauri NO

Remains only
Mercedes? Hamilton will expire this year like Vettel but the only car where he can join is Ferrari IMHO and now Ferrari will have LeClerc and Sainz for 2 Years
Racing point aka Mercedes v2
Renault

The most probable is Renault or he will skip 1 year.

I mean the same for Vettel, Mercedes or a break for one year. But would Hamilton want Vettel in the team? And Bottas? For Renault Vettel is to expensive i think.

[swogerino]

I also think that Vettel may skip the year 2021 or he can join a weaker team.We saw Alonso a great champion driving for a pathetic Mclaren Honda in 2015 and we all saw the results.I don’t think Vettel would want to repeat something like that for driving for a weaker team as a driver can’t do much when the car does not respond.

[tokeweed]

^  So if Verstappen did leave for Merc cos let's say Hamilton did retire, who replaces Verstappen at RBR?  Albion then promote one of the Toro Rosso drivers?  I find that highly unlikely.  It has to be a Vettel home coming.

[coinlocket$]

I honestly don't think Hamilton can retire in the next two or three years, he is the only driver in the right position to enter the myth and stay there for many years.
He is the only driver who can currently reach and beat the legend of Micheal Schumacher and I believe he will try until he has the chance to do so.

Different speech for Sebastian now his chances of reaching and beating Michael are extremely low.
At the moment Hamilton can only reach Schumacher in the Mercedes, you have to see what will happen in the future with the new cars.

Then I also think that Lewis's seat will be taken by Max when Lewis decides to stop.

[Juggy777]

So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

He deserves it after being at the same level if not better than Vettel in his first season at Ferrari.I was expecting Vettel at Mclaren but Riccardo nevertheless is also a good driver.I don’t think he has that extra mile needed to bring Mclaren back to the title even if they make a really good car for the 2021 season but let’s see.

Well, ok. But Vettel has won so many championships, thus you cannot throw him away in such a way.
I don't think that Vettel is going to return to Red Bull as they have Max and he is pretty good. Maybe he is going to sign for Alfa Romeo and drive along with Raikkonen - it will be pretty fun to see them together.

He won't return to Red Bull - he is just too expensive for them. He also declined to join Mclaren - he want to race for championship contender. So, Renault or Alfa Romeo shouldn't be even considered. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/sebastian-vettel-consider-mercedes-not-mclaren-as-final-option-f1-news.html
Hamilton and Bottas contracts expire in 2021, it's likely that Totto Wolf may left team too. So, there may be big changes in Mercedes and it's likely that Seb will join them.
Also, I would call Sainz as obvious second driver. Leclerc also had to be 2nd initially, but we see how it ended.

@LTU_btc we all saw this one coming even before the announcement was officially made, and in my personal opinion Vettel has himself only to blame for the mess he’s currently in because, in the past few years his performance was only getting worse and he did absolutely nothing to improve them.

I honestly don't think Hamilton can retire in the next two or three years, he is the only driver in the right position to enter the myth and stay there for many years.
He is the only driver who can currently reach and beat the legend of Micheal Schumacher and I believe he will try until he has the chance to do so.

Different speech for Sebastian now his chances of reaching and beating Michael are extremely low.
At the moment Hamilton can only reach Schumacher in the Mercedes, you have to see what will happen in the future with the new cars.

Then I also think that Lewis's seat will be taken by Max when Lewis decides to stop.

@coinlocet$ I’m not sure why people think that Hamilton will retire so soon, because currently he’s at his peak and furthermore there’s no driver in F1 that can challenge him for the title, hence I don’t think that we will see him retiring anytime soon.

Sources:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/43224/when-will-lewis-hamilton-retire/

https://realtime.rediff.com/news/india/How-Vettel-lost-his-way-at-Ferrari/c70a7a49c5ee6200?src=interim_alsoreadheadline

https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/11/22/formula-1-who-can-challenge-lewis-hamilton-championship-2020/

[Naida_BR]

I honestly don't think Hamilton can retire in the next two or three years, he is the only driver in the right position to enter the myth and stay there for many years.
He is the only driver who can currently reach and beat the legend of Micheal Schumacher and I believe he will try until he has the chance to do so.

Different speech for Sebastian now his chances of reaching and beating Michael are extremely low.
At the moment Hamilton can only reach Schumacher in the Mercedes, you have to see what will happen in the future with the new cars.

Then I also think that Lewis's seat will be taken by Max when Lewis decides to stop.

Hamilton is going to retire only if he leaves Mercedes.
He has made a great team in here and they help him be the F1 legend. He is not going stop until he will be the No 1 driver in F1 history.

[coinlocket$]

I'm not so sure that Lewis can only retire if he leaves Mercedes.

I am more convinced that Lewis will only retire when he will break Shumacher's records or when he will have no longer the opportunity to do so either because of the advancing age or because he will not drive a non-competitive car which can happen in two years with the incoming technical revolution, remember as examples the Button BrawnGP or Vettel's RedBull born after the revolution a few years ago?

I see a possible retreat of Hamilton in 2 years if both will win them by passing Micheal in the all-time ranking or a retreat in 5 years when his physique should start losing shots.
Of course, in 3 years he could still have the fastest car of all and still win the world championship but that is a story that we cannot currently imagine...

This is a sneaky peak of the new car when the revolution will hit...


Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2021-a-first-look-at-concepts-for-f1s-future.6oFMwkqp1eUumW8qUG0S8k.html

Bigger wheels, smaller wing to have more drag when you are following cars, less speed... (they are talking about 3 secs slower for median circuit lap)

[tokeweed]

^  But really, if Hamilton leaves Merc, what are his options if not Ferrari?  Which btw, doesn't have a drive open with Sainz going in.  Then again if he goes home to McLaren to help the team out, that would be sweet.  He's not gonna break or set any records tho.

[coinlocket$]

Don't underestimate the Mclaren.
Like you, I believe he can con only to Ferrari if he wins the 2 remaining titles but Mclaren will have the Mercedes engines from next year if I'm not wrong.
Also the past year the got many good results.
The technical revolution can be the boost they need to be competitive in the next 2 years, they also have Riccardo's experience now to build a better car.

A swap with a more experienced Norris and Hamilton can happen in 2 years if Mclaren goes in the current direction.

[Naida_BR]

I'm not so sure that Lewis can only retire if he leaves Mercedes.

I am more convinced that Lewis will only retire when he will break Shumacher's records or when he will have no longer the opportunity to do so either because of the advancing age or because he will not drive a non-competitive car which can happen in two years with the incoming technical revolution, remember as examples the Button BrawnGP or Vettel's RedBull born after the revolution a few years ago?

My point is that Mercedes is the dominant team in F1.
If Lewis leaves Mercedes then he quits every change of getting a bigger legend than Schumacher because he will not be able to reach the top with any other team right now.

[verita1]

I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

[Koal-84]

I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

Yes looks very interesting and fast in this first sequence  so i'm exiting about the final cars.

5 reasons to be excited about the new Leclerc-Sainz partnership at Ferrari

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.5-reasons-to-be-excited-about-the-new-leclerc-sainz-partnership-at-ferrari.5hLqMNajnQMtK2pTBFhgOd.html

About Vettel, when Alsono planed a comeback, than no Top Team (except Mercedes when Bottas fired) have a free place for Vettel  i don't believe at a return to RBR when Verstappen stay the next years.

Does Fernando Alonso’s grand comeback plan slot in here somewhere – a third stint at the Renault team that he won his two world championships with, to tie a neat bow on his career, perhaps? Or does Nico Hulkenberg come back to Renault to plug the hole?

What do Sainz and Ricciardo moves mean for Vettel and the rest of the driver market?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do-sainz-and-ricciardo-moves-mean-for-vettel-and-the-rest-of-the-driver.2Fq1RDQEidDtS5uzoT5hfJ.html

[Naida_BR]

I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.