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[LTU_btc]

Yesterday I was switching TV channels and accidentally found NASCAR race in action. It's first big racing event after very long break. I'm not fan of this racing series, but it was so good to watch real live race instead of various simulators. And different from football, absence of fans doesn't feels that much during race.
Race was won by Kevin Harvick https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/kevin-harvick-wins-darlington/4793441/?nrt=119
Here is extended highlights if somebody is interested:
https://youtu.be/LIAIB0ZX58w

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.

They won't compete with this car in 2021, it was delayed until 2022 because of COVID-19 pandemy. Development of completely new car is freaking expensive and it's really difficult times for F1 teams.

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[Koal-84]

Yesterday I was switching TV channels and accidentally found NASCAR race in action. It's first big racing event after very long break. I'm not fan of this racing series, but it was so good to watch real live race instead of various simulators. And different from football, absence of fans doesn't feels that much during race.
Race was won by Kevin Harvick https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/kevin-harvick-wins-darlington/4793441/?nrt=119
Here is extended highlights if somebody is interested:
https://youtu.be/LIAIB0ZX58w

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.

They won't compete with this car in 2021, it was delayed until 2022 because of COVID-19 pandemy. Development of completely new car is freaking expensive and it's really difficult times for F1 teams.

That's correct a motor sound (V8) in the ears are balm for the heart  , and thank you for the link to the highlights.

And yes the new regulations postponed to 2022 because of the high cost.

No more delays for new era of F1: ‘It's definitely coming in 2022,’ says Brawn

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.no-more-delays-for-new-era-of-f1-its-definitely-coming-in-2022-says-brawn.B3JXkXv0B9Z0PyikkRv5L.html

But also a cost cap is planed.

Cyril Abiteboul on Renault’s ‘aggressive’ 2020 plan, cost caps and Ferrari engine clarity

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cyril-abiteboul-on-renaults-aggressive-2020-plan-cost-caps-and-ferrari.37bmLVuxKkr5tR8zYPHQkX.html


Toto Wolf about Mercedes and the driver selection.

REVEALED: Wolff explains Mercedes driver selection criteria as team looks to 2021

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.revealed-wolff-explains-mercedes-driver-selection-criteria-as-team-looks-to.7zIjznL4KicrHC24bANWyD.html

And i don't think Hamiltion will Vettel in the team, a wingman is easier to handle.

[swogerino]

I think the teams will race with the actual car they have built for the year 2020.It is too early to jump to conclusions as I think teams are still completely focused on this year Championship and as soon as this one finishes they will start developing the 2022 car which will be as new rules require.For the 2021 season may or maybe not the teams can run an upgraded version of 2020 car and not a completely new one.

[tokeweed]

I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

Yes looks very interesting and fast in this first sequence  so i'm exiting about the final cars.

5 reasons to be excited about the new Leclerc-Sainz partnership at Ferrari

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.5-reasons-to-be-excited-about-the-new-leclerc-sainz-partnership-at-ferrari.5hLqMNajnQMtK2pTBFhgOd.html

About Vettel, when Alsono planed a comeback, than no Top Team (except Mercedes when Bottas fired) have a free place for Vettel  i don't believe at a return to RBR when Verstappen stay the next years.

That's the thing...  With everthing going on with Rona, Verstappen could leave due to a clause in his contract being activated cos of a technicality.  It's no secret Merc want him. 

[Koal-84]

After a year where Niki Lauda died, many articles about his first date of death appeared on the official website.

Hamilton and Wolff lead tributes to Niki Lauda, one year on from his passing

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilton-and-wolff-lead-tributes-to-niki-lauda-one-year-on-from-his-passing.6ZN6J8lewW4Va826lqZJTD.html

How Niki Lauda's final title-winning car, the 1984 McLaren MP4/2, changed F1
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Technical review about one of the best cars from this ERA

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-niki-laudas-final-title-winning-car-the-1984-mclaren-mp4-2-changed-f1.7vGiQXahtUbaKo70ZJ8OGQ.html

We’re showing highlights of two of Niki Lauda’s greatest races – here’s why you should tune in

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.were-showing-highlights-of-two-of-niki-laudas-greatest-wins-heres-why-you.5cWxWDvmQLC7i928vOo0j0.html

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But also a cost cap is planed.

The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.

[Naida_BR]

No reason for a cost cap.
If other teams had money to invest then go for it. But they do not have any right to stop Mercedes and Ferrari from building good cars that can give us entertainment because it is entertaining to see fast cars on track.

[Juggy777]

But also a cost cap is planed.

The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.

No reason for a cost cap.
If other teams had money to invest then go for it. But they do not have any right to stop Mercedes and Ferrari from building good cars that can give us entertainment because it is entertaining to see fast cars on track.

@coinlocket$ the budget cap has been agreed and it’s been set at $145 million for 2021, and it’ll further reduce in 2020 to $140 million and @Naida_BR yea this will definitely have a big impact on the big teams. Lastly there’s an update regarding the British GP as F1 officials are trying their best to stage the race, but they may call it off if the UK government doesn’t give them exemptions that they have sought.

Formula One’s 10 teams have agreed cost-cutting measures including a budget cap of $145 million for 2021, the BBC reported on Friday.

Formula One chiefs have confirmed the British GP will be OFF – unless the Government changes new quarantine rules or they get an exemption.

Source:

https://www.insidesport.co/f1-business-teams-to-do-cost-cutting-measures-145mn-budget-cap-agreed/

[tokeweed]

But also a cost cap is planed.

The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.

Dunno... It could be good for the sport in the long run cos it levels the playing field and could get more manufacturers interested.  I wouldn't mind seeing Toyota and BMW get back in.

[coinlocket$]

Dunno... It could be good for the sport in the long run cos it levels the playing field and could get more manufacturers interested.  I wouldn't mind seeing Toyota and BMW get back in.

It will be useless as I said.
When they eared about the cost cap top teams like Ferrari and Mercedes started working on a lot of structures to get an advantage later in the next years.

Mercedes also joined the formula E with a team only to spend more money on the electric engine.
More teams will join others categories to spend money above the cap and intrudice the news tecnologies on the F1 car.

[tokeweed]

^  What do you mean?  The cap will def never help level the playing field?  Cos F1 is getting ridiculously really expensive for the other teams.  And it's either risk them leaving F1 or the cap.  Which one would it be?

[coinlocket$]

^  What do you mean?

I mean they can set even a 100m € as cap but teams are already exploiting and invest everything they have by enhancing their wind tunnels for example and going red in the budget in these years till the cap will be a thing, to then have a technical advantage in the following years.

A team, always considering 100 hypothetical millions of caps for Formula 1, can invest another 300 million through other categories (like Mercedes in Formula E) to develop the hybrid engine.
In formula E there are no budget limits.

Once the improvement electric motor has been developed, you can transport the technology in formula 1 "free of charge".

The same goes for every single piece of a car, which I know, for example, developments on petrol, Drs gear and more spend on progress outside Formula 1 cars and import it at cost "0" for the cap.

[tokeweed]

^  Sure...  But at least it levels the playing field 'within' the sport itself to encourage other manufacturers to get in instead of having what the sport currently has, that's not Ferrari or Merc, go out.

But yeah, I get what you're saying.

Anyway, I trust Brawn on this.  Let's see how it pans out.

[Koal-84]

^  Sure...  But at least it levels the playing field 'within' the sport itself to encourage other manufacturers to get in instead of having what the sport currently has, that's not Ferrari or Merc, go out.

But yeah, I get what you're saying.

Anyway, I trust Brawn on this.  Let's see how it pans out.

I also and hope it's for the fans and tension at the races the right way. For the big teams it's difficult the have many employment for a higher budget so what make with the many people?

[Koal-84]

The first Team McLaren reduce your employees by over 1200 😱

McLaren Group to lay off 1200 employees amid restructure

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-f1-team-mass-redundancies/4796788/

But the most are from the group, not primary from the F1 Team.

[Naida_BR]

The first Team McLaren reduce your employees by over 1200 😱

McLaren Group to lay off 1200 employees amid restructure

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-f1-team-mass-redundancies/4796788/

But the most are from the group, not primary from the F1 Team.

If Coronavirus has hit massively companies like McLaren then I think that we are in a bad situation.
F1 is an expensive sport for the car industry companies so it is the first place that they are going to seek in order to cut costs. I hope that we are not going to read the same news from other companies in F1.

[Koal-84]

The first Team McLaren reduce your employees by over 1200 😱

McLaren Group to lay off 1200 employees amid restructure

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-f1-team-mass-redundancies/4796788/

But the most are from the group, not primary from the F1 Team.

If Coronavirus has hit massively companies like McLaren then I think that we are in a bad situation.
F1 is an expensive sport for the car industry companies so it is the first place that they are going to seek in order to cut costs. I hope that we are not going to read the same news from other companies in F1.

Of course, and I think more teams will save money over the next few years. The first team McLaren than i mean Renault will the first factory team will save costs. Mercedes is also under pressure from the shareholders, I think. So the cost cap is inevitable.

[coinlocket$]

Of course, and I think more teams will save money over the next few years. The first team McLaren than i mean Renault will the first factory team will save costs. Mercedes is also under pressure from the shareholders, I think. So the cost cap is inevitable.

AFAIK if Coronavirus will end with this wave the resources of teams should be damaged for at least 2 years.
This is why they will postpone the revolution of new cars by one year, to save money and use this car one more year.

[Koal-84]

Of course, and I think more teams will save money over the next few years. The first team McLaren than i mean Renault will the first factory team will save costs. Mercedes is also under pressure from the shareholders, I think. So the cost cap is inevitable.

AFAIK if Coronavirus will end with this wave the resources of teams should be damaged for at least 2 years.
This is why they will postpone the revolution of new cars by one year, to save money and use this car one more year.

That's correct the no factory teams have all problems with the money.

Back to a confusion MotoGP News

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/05/27/miller-signs-with-the-official-ducati-team-for-2021/331005

Miller is a solid driver, but Ducati don't will a champion? I think Miller is not the right driver for Ducati to win the championship...

[swogerino]

Of course, and I think more teams will save money over the next few years. The first team McLaren than i mean Renault will the first factory team will save costs. Mercedes is also under pressure from the shareholders, I think. So the cost cap is inevitable.

AFAIK if Coronavirus will end with this wave the resources of teams should be damaged for at least 2 years.
This is why they will postpone the revolution of new cars by one year, to save money and use this car one more year.

That's correct the no factory teams have all problems with the money.

Back to a confusion MotoGP News

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/05/27/miller-signs-with-the-official-ducati-team-for-2021/331005

Miller is a solid driver, but Ducati don't will a champion? I think Miller is not the right driver for Ducati to win the championship...

Miller is a good driver but he has never had a good ride like Ducati.Beside that he is also one of the rain masters which can be a determining factor if Ducati makes a great moto for the season and it is also accompanied with rain then this is a winning combination.I look forward to see Miller in Ducati together with Dovizioso.