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[tokeweed]

Here's the revised grid for the race later.  And just to keep things interesting, I hope Vettel wins this one.  Ferrari should at least give it their all in the last few races.  They owe it to their fans.

2017 United States GP Revised Grid

1 Lewis Hamilton
2 Sebastian Vettel
3 Valtteri Bottas
4 Daniel Ricciardo
5 Kimi Räikkönen
6 Esteban Ocon
7 Carlos Sainz
8 Fernando Alonso
9 Sergio Perez
10 Felipe Massa
11 Daniil Kvyat
12 Romain Grosjean
13 Marcus Ericsson
14 Stoffel Vandoorne *
15 Pascal Wehrlein
16 Lance Stroll **
17 Max Verstappen ***
18 Kevin Magnussen **
19 Nico Hulkenberg ****
20 Brendon Hartley *****

* five-place power unit element change
** three-place impeding penalty
*** 15-place power unit element change
**** 20-place power unit element change
***** 25-place power unit element change

[LTU_btc]

I think that's it - Hamilton increased his lead by 7 points and only races left. I don't have idea what should happen that Vettel would win championship.
And Mercedes today officially won constructors cup.
Amazing performance by Verstappen - started from P16 and finished in 3rd position. But he was punished for leaving track when overtaking Kimi. Strange decision, because on that turn many drivers left track and nobody was punished. And I'm sad for Ricciardo that he stopped so early due to engine problems.
Alonso didn't finished again after usual engine problems. Well, 3 races for Alonso left to struggle with Honda engine. Let's hope that Renault will bring something better.

[bbc.reporter]

@LTU_btc. There is a conspiracy against Max hehehe. Kimi himself has said in a post race interview that he had no idea why Max was punished. Or it might only be another instance of wrong decision making by the race stewards.

Redbull should still be proud. Max is an amazing driver.

[siti25]

Fp1+Fp2  gp Usa top 10 times:

1 Hamilton Mercedes 1:34:668
2 Verstappen Red Bull +0:397
3 Vettel Ferrari              +0:524
4 Bottas Mercedes       +0:611
5 Ricciardo Red Bull     +0:795
6 Raikkonen Ferrari       +0:846
7 Alonso McLaren        +1:636
8 Massa Williams         +1:792
9 Perez Force India      +1:813
10 Ocon Force India     +1:822

Hamilton has dominated today and seems to be the great favorite of this race.
he wants to try to win the world championship already in this gp.

Looking good for Hamilton.  This is part of the season that gets boring.  We already know who's gonna win both the driver's and constructor's championship.

Notice how the sports media hypes the last couple of races by saying Vettel is 'still mathematically in the championship'.  Pffft, please... 

formula one always boring, because every season always dominate one team
in 5 year mecedes dominate, nothing team can compete with mercedes,

I also feel that way, the dominating team in Formula 1 is too great, they are over dominating, the competition is incompetent, but still Formula 1 is becoming the most popular race at the moment. And I'm just wondering why Asian riders are so difficult to participate in Formula 1?

[tokeweed]

^ There's prolly no Asian driver found skilled enough to drive an F1 car, or there's no Asian billionaire willing to sponsor a driver to get him a seat in a team.  But it would be nice to see one again tho.

About Verstappen's overtake, we could see the replay at different angles over and over and we all could still be divided if he deserved to be penalized or not.

Imho, he had all 4 tires off the track when he did it.  Technically that's a penalty.

[cicciobtc]

Final Result Gp Usa F1:

1 Hamilton Mercedes  1:33:50:993
2 Vettel Ferrari              +10:143
3 Raikkonen Ferrari       +15:779
4 Verstappen Red Bull   +16:768
5 Bottas Mercedes         +34:967
6 Ocon Force India      +1:30:980
7 Sainz  Renault F1      +1:32:944
8 Perez Force India           1 lap
9 Massa Williams             1 lap
10 Kvyat Toro Rosso         1 lap


standing Drivers after 17 of 20 races:

1.Hamilton     331
2.Vettel          265  -66
3.Bottas         244  -87
4.Ricciardo    192 -139
5.Raikkonen  163 -168
6,Verstappen 123 -208
7.Perez            86  -245
8.Ocon             73  -258
9.Sainz             54 -277
10.Massa         36 -295


Hamilton has dominated yesterday and is close to winning the world championship.
only 9 points to mathematically win

[cicciobtc]

standing MotoGP after 16 of 18 races:

1)Marquez     269    gap
2)Dovizioso   236    -33

3)Vinales       219     -50
4)Rossi           188     -81
5)Pedrosa       174     -95
6)Zarco           138   -131
7)Lorenzo        117   -152
8 )Petrucci       111   -158
9)Crutchlow     103   -166
10)Folger           84   -185

Marquez is close to winning his 4th World Championship in Motogp (6 considering all categories)!
If In the next race he will be in the top 2 places or in any better position than Dovizioso he will be mathematically champion.

[tokeweed]

Warning signs are there for Raikonnen, as Briatore released a statement that they couldn't beat Mercedes with the Finn.  I think he'll be leaving Ferrari as soon as possible and could be replaced by a more suitable driver to partner with Vettel.  Will we see the other Finn take the vacant drive then? 

Anyway here's the time table for this weekend's race.

2017 Mexican GP Time Table
All times are local (Mexico City is GMT -6)

Thursday 26 October
11:00 – 12:00: FIA press conference

Friday 27 October
10:00 – 11:30: First free practice
14:00 – 15:30: Second free practice
16:00 – 17:00: FIA press conference

Saturday 28 October
10:00 – 11:00: Third free practice
13:00 – 14:00: Qualifying
14:00: FIA post-qualifying press conference

Sunday 29 October
13:00 – 15:00: Mexican Grand Prix
15:00: FIA post-race press conference

Mexican GP Info
No of Laps: 71
Race Distance: 305.354
Lap Record: Nico Rosberg – 1:20.521
2016 Winner: Lewis Hamilton

[cicciobtc]

Warning signs are there for Raikonnen, as Briatore released a statement that they couldn't beat Mercedes with the Finn.  I think he'll be leaving Ferrari as soon as possible and could be replaced by a more suitable driver to partner with Vettel.  Will we see the other Finn take the vacant drive then? 

Anyway here's the time table for this weekend's race.

2017 Mexican GP Time Table
All times are local (Mexico City is GMT -6)

Thursday 26 October
11:00 – 12:00: FIA press conference

Friday 27 October
10:00 – 11:30: First free practice
14:00 – 15:30: Second free practice
16:00 – 17:00: FIA press conference

Saturday 28 October
10:00 – 11:00: Third free practice
13:00 – 14:00: Qualifying
14:00: FIA post-qualifying press conference

Sunday 29 October
13:00 – 15:00: Mexican Grand Prix
15:00: FIA post-race press conference

Mexican GP Info
No of Laps: 71
Race Distance: 305.354
Lap Record: Nico Rosberg – 1:20.521
2016 Winner: Lewis Hamilton

Most likely in this Gp Hamilton will win its third world championship in 4 years.

Hamilton will be champion if:

-Hamilton comes in fifth place or better
-Vettel comes in third place or worse
-if Vettel comes in second place, and Hamilton gets in ninth position or better

-Vettel comes in third place or worse
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[cicciobtc]

Free Practice Motogp Malaysia top 12 times:

free practice Motogp Malaysia

1 Dovizioso Ducati 2:00:671
2 Bautista  Ducati   +0:071
3 Zarco    Yamaha   +0:136
4 Vinales Yamaha   +0:232
5 Marquez Honda    +0:279
6 Crutchlow Honda +0:389
7 Abraham Ducati   +0:406
8 Barbera Ducati     +0:476
9 Pedrosa Honda     +0:491
10 Lorenzo Ducati   +0:518
11 Petrucci Ducati   +0:889
12 Rossi Yamaha     +0:991

These times were all done in fp1 because in fp2 the track was very wet.
Dovizioso seems to be the big favorite on this track.


Marquez can win the world championship in this gp.
He will be champion if:

-Marquez arrives in the top 2 seats
-Dovizioso arrives  ninth or worse
-if Dovizioso arrives second and Marquez at least fourth
-if Dovizioso arrives third    and Marquez at least    7th
-if Dovizioso arrives   4th     and Marquez  at least 10th
-if Dovizioso arrives   5th     and Marquez at least 12th
-if Dovizioso arrives   6th     and Marquez at least 13th
-if Dovizioso arrives   7th    and Marquez at least  14th
-if Dovizioso arrives   8th    and Marquez at least  15th

[cicciobtc]

F1 Gp Mexico, fp1+fp2 top 10 combined times:


1 Ricciardo Red Bull 1:17:801
2 Bottas Mercedes      +0:023
3 Hamilton Mercedes  +0:131
4 Verstappen Red Bull +0:163
5 Vettel Ferrari             +0:250
6 Raikkonen Ferrari     +0:341
7 Alonso McLaren        +0:707
8 Perez Force India      +0:927
9 Hulkenberg Renault  +0:974
10 Ocon Force India     +1:021


the first 6 are very close, enclosed in just 341 milliseconds.
this will be a very balanced gp

[PokerDiceMan]

Free Practice Motogp Malaysia top 12 times:

free practice Motogp Malaysia

1 Dovizioso Ducati 2:00:671
2 Bautista  Ducati   +0:071
3 Zarco    Yamaha   +0:136
4 Vinales Yamaha   +0:232
5 Marquez Honda    +0:279
6 Crutchlow Honda +0:389
7 Abraham Ducati   +0:406
8 Barbera Ducati     +0:476
9 Pedrosa Honda     +0:491
10 Lorenzo Ducati   +0:518
11 Petrucci Ducati   +0:889
12 Rossi Yamaha     +0:991

These times were all done in fp1 because in fp2 the track was very wet.
Dovizioso seems to be the big favorite on this track.


Marquez can win the world championship in this gp.
He will be champion if:

-Marquez arrives in the top 2 seats
-Dovizioso arrives  ninth or worse
-if Dovizioso arrives second and Marquez at least fourth
-if Dovizioso arrives third    and Marquez at least    7th
-if Dovizioso arrives   4th     and Marquez  at least 10th
-if Dovizioso arrives   5th     and Marquez at least 12th
-if Dovizioso arrives   6th     and Marquez at least 13th
-if Dovizioso arrives   7th    and Marquez at least  14th
-if Dovizioso arrives   8th    and Marquez at least  15th

macr marques is easy to win world championship
if can't win world championship in malaysia series  last series in aragon, spain GP, in there dovi vs marques, marques is easy

[Dux2K]

Mexican GP Qualifying results

1) Sebastian Vettel - Ferrari 1:16.488
2) Max Verstappen - Red Bull + 0.086
3) Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes + 0.446
4) Valtteri Bottas - Mercedes + 0.470
5) Kimi Raikkonen - Ferrari + 0.750
6) Esteban Ocon - Force India + 0.949
7) Daniel Ricciardo - Red Bull + 0.959
Nico Hulkenberg - Renault + 0.978
9) Carlos Sainz - Renault + 1.306
10) Sergio Perez - Force India + 1.319
11) Felipe Massa - Williams 1:18.099
12) Lance Stroll - Williams 1:19.159
13) Brendon Hartley - Toro Rosso No time set
14) Fernando Alonso *McLaren No time set
15) Stoffel Vandoorne *McLaren No time set
16) Marcus Ericsson - Sauber 1:19.176
17) Pascal Wehrlein - Sauber 1:19.333
18) Kevin Magnussen - Haas 1:19.443
19) Romain Grosjean - Haas 1:19.473
20) Pierre Gasly - Toro Rosso No time set

* Grid penalties to be taken

[tokeweed]

Holy sh*t!  I forgot about this one. 

Good job for Vettel.  I guess I have to wait for a replay for this one now just to see what happened.  This should be a really good race with Vettel and Verstappen in the fronot row (finally!).  I hope Vettel doesn't do anything stupid again.

[cicciobtc]

MotoGp Malesya final Result:

1 Dovizioso Ducati 44:51:497
2 Lorenzo    Ducati     +0:743
3 Zarco      Yamaha    +9:738
4 Marquez Honda     +17:763
5 Pedrosa Honda      +29:144
6 Petrucci Ducati      +30:380
7 Rossi  Yamaha       +30:769
8 Miller Honda          +35:238
9 Vinales Yamaha     +38:053
10 Espargaro Ktm     +39:847
11 Bautista Ducati    +42:559
12 Smith Ktm            +44:602
13 Redding Ducati     +48:696
14 Barbera Ducati     +50:058
15 Crutchlow Honda  +50:705


Another victory for Dovizioso, but Marquez with 21 points is very close to the World Championships victory!
last race on November 12 in Valencia

[Bitinity]

MotoGp Malesya final Result:

1 Dovizioso Ducati 44:51:497
2 Lorenzo    Ducati     +0:743
3 Zarco      Yamaha    +9:738
4 Marquez Honda     +17:763
5 Pedrosa Honda      +29:144
6 Petrucci Ducati      +30:380
7 Rossi  Yamaha       +30:769
8 Miller Honda          +35:238
9 Vinales Yamaha     +38:053
10 Espargaro Ktm     +39:847
11 Bautista Ducati    +42:559
12 Smith Ktm            +44:602
13 Redding Ducati     +48:696
14 Barbera Ducati     +50:058
15 Crutchlow Honda  +50:705


Another victory for Dovizioso, but Marquez with 21 points is very close to the World Championships victory!
last race on November 12 in Valencia

The result makes the championship looks more interesting but obviously Marquez has bigger chance to win the world championship. Mathematically he only need to finish on 11th to be the world champion, he will play safe imho at least he will play as usual. On other hands, Dovisiosi needs to win the last race and hoping Marquez out of 11th or even do not finish. Cant wait to see the last race

[LTU_btc]

Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, who won F1 champion tittle 4th in his career.
In general, everything today was decided in 1st lap, when there was accident between Seb and Lewis. Both had to make pit stops due to damage after that and Vettel wasn't able to regain lost positions. Hamilton performance wasn't amazing today, but it was enough for him to win a championship.
And after great start, Max Verstappen didn't had any problems and won race easily. I can't remember when race winner got so little attention after race Because champion Lewis was in light of cameras.

[bbc.reporter]

Why was Sebastian so overaggressive in the late part of the season? Sebastian destroyed his chance to win this race by hitting Lewis. Maybe Max Verstappen has an effect on him on any occasion that they are near each other on the staring grid.

[siti25]

MotoGp Malesya final Result:

1 Dovizioso Ducati 44:51:497
2 Lorenzo    Ducati     +0:743
3 Zarco      Yamaha    +9:738
4 Marquez Honda     +17:763
5 Pedrosa Honda      +29:144
6 Petrucci Ducati      +30:380
7 Rossi  Yamaha       +30:769
8 Miller Honda          +35:238
9 Vinales Yamaha     +38:053
10 Espargaro Ktm     +39:847
11 Bautista Ducati    +42:559
12 Smith Ktm            +44:602
13 Redding Ducati     +48:696
14 Barbera Ducati     +50:058
15 Crutchlow Honda  +50:705


Another victory for Dovizioso, but Marquez with 21 points is very close to the World Championships victory!
last race on November 12 in Valencia

The result makes the championship looks more interesting but obviously Marquez has bigger chance to win the world championship. Mathematically he only need to finish on 11th to be the world champion, he will play safe imho at least he will play as usual. On other hands, Dovisiosi needs to win the last race and hoping Marquez out of 11th or even do not finish. Cant wait to see the last race

Anything can still happen but I think 92% of the title has been held by Marc Marquez. Dovizioso had to expect Marquez to fall in the next race because expecting Marquez to finish behind was almost useless hope. I'm not sure if Marquez will be very difficult until just finish behind.

[cicciobtc]

Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, who won F1 champion tittle 4th in his career.
In general, everything today was decided in 1st lap, when there was accident between Seb and Lewis. Both had to make pit stops due to damage after that and Vettel wasn't able to regain lost positions. Hamilton performance wasn't amazing today, but it was enough for him to win a championship.
And after great start, Max Verstappen didn't had any problems and won race easily. I can't remember when race winner got so little attention after race Because champion Lewis was in light of cameras.

Yes, Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton he is a great champion.
the last part of the season, Vettel and Ferrari was disastrous otherwise we could have seen the fight until the last race.
Next year the rules will remain the same and I am convinced that we will see a fight between 3 teams: Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull, which has proved to be at the same level as the first 2.