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[tokeweed]

I’m back and forth between a racing incident or blaming somebody...  But more leaning towards Verstappen is entitled to get more space from Lewis as it happened after the first turn.  Again, Hamilton knows better and yet he screwed himself over.  Now we hear Toto Wolff saying it’s a ‘tactical foul’.  Rofl.  Wtf is this?  Football?  

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[coinlocket$]

The F1 teams have now postponed by 1 more year the change of the engines, it will happen in 2026.

They probably are going in removing the MGU K and if they do so Audi and Porche will probably join the circus.

[justdimin]

The penalty isn't about the consequences regarding the points and the stewards are very clear about that. Hamilton's penalty after the Silverstone incident was very standard, his car was fast and he could still win, and of course he didn't damage his car too much in the accident.

Here Verstappen knew he was probably going to lose to Hamilton and decided to take too much risk, he couldn't get a 10s penalty since he took himself out in the accident. 3 places grid penalty is the lowest penalty possible (Hamilton got 10s when the lowest is 5s).

Verstappen never gives space, he showed it again during the first lap, so Hamilton had no choice but to not give space either.

I specifically said that Max was wrong here, that is correct. However a 10 second stop and go from pit stop like Italy of 2020 is different from what Silverstone had. Dude just had 10 second added to pitstop and that's it, hell a bad pit stop could give you that. If he had a useless 10 second pit stop and go then it would have made some sense, no tire changing, no damage control, no pit stop work at all, just get in, wait 10 seconds, get out. That is what he should have gotten in Silverstone because he was clearly in the wrong, he was so wrong that he got a penalty for it so there is no argument over if he was right or wrong.

Here Max was wrong and everyone agrees with that, you do not go that wide in Monza at that turn, it is obvious that you will not be getting ahead with that, but I just disagree that Lewis got what he deserved, and I believe Max got way too much instead.

[AndySt]

I’m back and forth between a racing incident or blaming somebody...  But more leaning towards Verstappen is entitled to get more space from Lewis as it happened after the first turn.  Again, Hamilton knows better and yet he screwed himself over.  Now we hear Toto Wolff saying it’s a ‘tactical foul’.  Rofl.  Wtf is this?  Football?  

Why would a driver returning to the track from a pit stop on tires that are not heated to the end, after an almost failed pit stop, should demand more space for himself? Max is used to being given a place in such situations, but Hamilton is his main competitor in the fight for the title and can't afford to just skip Verstappen like any other drivers would do. In any case, the official punishment was handed down to Verstappen and it is significant that Max did not even approach Hamilton to find out the situation and simply left the scene of the accident and Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

[LTU_btc]

I read news that there was conflict between Leclerc and Binotto during Italian GP. Leclerc is not happy that Ferrari focus more advices from Sainz about car development because it's more reliable. Leclerc exchanged some hard words with Binotto.
https://grandpx.news/leclerc-unwell-at-monza-after-binotto-dispute-report/
@coinlocket$, maybe you as Italian know more about it?

[Koal-84]

The F1 teams have now postponed by 1 more year the change of the engines, it will happen in 2026.

They probably are going in removing the MGU K and if they do so Audi and Porche will probably join the circus.

I think it's good when Formula 1 engines become "simpler" again, they also become more cost-effective. The postponement of one year is probably necessary to find/create a suitable synthetic fuel for Co² zero emission. In this case, several manufacturers will be interested again and could enter Formula 1 without horrendous development costs that can not be used in the 0815 car production.

[Cnut237]

Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

Yes, this is the most important thing here. The halo has proven its worth quite a few times now. It may not look great, but it's absolutely the best new introduction to F1 in recent years.
And yes there was quite a lot of controversy about it when it was first brought in, but it has really proven its importance since then. I don't think anyone can argue against it having been a huge success.

[coinlocket$]

I read news that there was conflict between Leclerc and Binotto during Italian GP. Leclerc is not happy that Ferrari focus more advices from Sainz about car development because it's more reliable. Leclerc exchanged some hard words with Binotto.
https://grandpx.news/leclerc-unwell-at-monza-after-binotto-dispute-report/
@coinlocket$, maybe you as Italian know more about it?

Yeah, I have read the same thing but I can't confirm or deny it yet.
For now, it is only a rumor, we will maybe know more next week in the interviews pre-race.

[tokeweed]

I’m back and forth between a racing incident or blaming somebody...  But more leaning towards Verstappen is entitled to get more space from Lewis as it happened after the first turn.  Again, Hamilton knows better and yet he screwed himself over.  Now we hear Toto Wolff saying it’s a ‘tactical foul’.  Rofl.  Wtf is this?  Football?  

Why would a driver returning to the track from a pit stop on tires that are not heated to the end, after an almost failed pit stop, should demand more space for himself? Max is used to being given a place in such situations, but Hamilton is his main competitor in the fight for the title and can't afford to just skip Verstappen like any other drivers would do. In any case, the official punishment was handed down to Verstappen and it is significant that Max did not even approach Hamilton to find out the situation and simply left the scene of the accident and Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

Yup, in the that second turn I think Verstappen or any driver is entitled for some space to avoid a collision. But then look what happened...?  Hamilton screwed himself over.  Merc had the advantage in that track cos they has the better engine.  Hamilton would’ve passed Verstappen at some point of the race anyway and would’ve gotten away with more points in the driver’s championship.

[Koal-84]

Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

Yes, this is the most important thing here. The halo has proven its worth quite a few times now. It may not look great, but it's absolutely the best new introduction to F1 in recent years.
And yes there was quite a lot of controversy about it when it was first brought in, but it has really proven its importance since then. I don't think anyone can argue against it having been a huge success.

This certainly correct that Halo has already saved lives, probably with Grosjaen and possibly Hamilton although I'm not sure.

The Halo would probably have saved one or the greatest racer's life -> Ayrton Senna.

But every racing driver is aware of what he is doing as a job and consciously risks his life. Niki Lauda once had a fitting quote on this.

[coinlocket$]

Giovinazzi is at a very high risk of being out from F1 next year.
Ferrari has no more "power of decision" in drivers for Alfa Romeo, the boss wanted more responsibility in this field.

Giovinazzi, as Lecrec were 2 drivers, wanted from Ferrari.

Anyway, Vettel is now official to stay in Aston Martin even next year.

[laurenB7742]

Lewis should be grateful that the halo is used, which once again saved the life of another pilot, despite the fierce disputes over the need to use it at the time.

Yes, this is the most important thing here. The halo has proven its worth quite a few times now. It may not look great, but it's absolutely the best new introduction to F1 in recent years.
And yes there was quite a lot of controversy about it when it was first brought in, but it has really proven its importance since then. I don't think anyone can argue against it having been a huge success.

This certainly correct that Halo has already saved lives, probably with Grosjaen and possibly Hamilton although I'm not sure.
The Halo would probably have saved one or the greatest racer's life -> Ayrton Senna.
But every racing driver is aware of what he is doing as a job and consciously risks his life. Niki Lauda once had a fitting quote on this.

Since its introduction in 2018, the halo has created some controversy, but I think it has proven its worth over time. It's like having something to protect the driver rather than having nothing. I think it's a win-win situation over here. Although I'm not sure if that effects the driving or creates any kind of wind drag or something.

[AakZaki]

Top Ten San Marino Moto GP Qualification Results :
1. 63 Francesco BAGNAIA
2. 43 Jack MILLER
3. 20 Fabio QUARTARARO
4. 89 Jorge MARTIN
5. 5 Johann ZARCO
6. 44 Pol ESPARGARO
7. 93 Marc MARQUEZ
8. 41 Aleix ESPARGARO 
9. 42 Alex RINS
10. 12 Maverick VIÑALES

The dominance of the motor with great power is still happening. Will Quartararo be able to compete? This looks difficult, but it seems Yamaha bikes are quite friendly here. If Quartararo doesn't get on the podium, the race for the title will be more open.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

[Koal-84]

Since its introduction in 2018, the halo has created some controversy, but I think it has proven its worth over time. It's like having something to protect the driver rather than having nothing. I think it's a win-win situation over here. Although I'm not sure if that effects the driving or creates any kind of wind drag or something.

Yes it definitely protects the drivers, whether it also has a big impact on the aerodynamics is hard to say but the engineers have certainly solved that and every team has the same conditions so not so bad.

Top Ten San Marino Moto GP Qualification Results :
1. 63 Francesco BAGNAIA
2. 43 Jack MILLER
3. 20 Fabio QUARTARARO
4. 89 Jorge MARTIN
5. 5 Johann ZARCO
6. 44 Pol ESPARGARO
7. 93 Marc MARQUEZ
8. 41 Aleix ESPARGARO 
9. 42 Alex RINS
10. 12 Maverick VIÑALES

The dominance of the motor with great power is still happening. Will Quartararo be able to compete? This looks difficult, but it seems Yamaha bikes are quite friendly here. If Quartararo doesn't get on the podium, the race for the title will be more open.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

Another top result from Bagnaia, I'm very happy about that. The boy has what it takes to become a top Ducati rider and possibly also next year to fight for the world championship from the beginning.  Quartararo tears out the Yamahas again, otherwise the other are rather very bad, there must be something change next year.

[LittleBitFunny]

Giovinazzi is at a very high risk of being out from F1 next year.
Ferrari has no more "power of decision" in drivers for Alfa Romeo, the boss wanted more responsibility in this field.
Giovinazzi, as Lecrec were 2 drivers, wanted from Ferrari.
Anyway, Vettel is now official to stay in Aston Martin even next year.

I think it is kind of confirmed that Giovinazzi will not be able to continue next year in F1. As per Auto Motor and Sport, they said in advance Giovinazzi will lose his place very soon. I also saw the team boss said that they reserve the rights, the team choice is 100 percent theirs. If I add all of these, it means that Giovinazzi won't be continuing with them.

[minairia3]

This certainly correct that Halo has already saved lives, probably with Grosjaen and possibly Hamilton although I'm not sure.
The Halo would probably have saved one or the greatest racer's life -> Ayrton Senna.
But every racing driver is aware of what he is doing as a job and consciously risks his life. Niki Lauda once had a fitting quote on this.

Losing a racer on the track because of a crash or other players' crash is always very sad - both for the racer's family and the fanbase as well. So having something like halo that can protect some part if not all parts of a racer is a good initiative. I don't think this is the best version of safety but yes, it's always better than having no safety equipment.

[coinlocket$]

Some news from F1.

Redbull has an option to sign back Albon in 2023.
Ferrari will introduce 2022 new components in 2 GPS, not in the next one, they will probably need to start from the last position in the grid for penalities.
Wolff wants de Vries in F1, does he will take the spot in Alfa Romeo over Giovinazzi?

[swogerino]

Some news from F1.

Redbull has an option to sign back Albon in 2023.
Ferrari will introduce 2022 new components in 2 GPS, not in the next one, they will probably need to start from the last position in the grid for penalities.
Wolff wants de Vries in F1, does he will take the spot in Alfa Romeo over Giovinazzi?

I think Giovinazzi is a very good driver considering the car he drives which deserves to continue in F1 and I think he has earned it on the track.It is very sad to see a driver being forced to retire from F1 for at least one year just because the big ones want to try a new guy and there is no other space but this one,this is much different than with Albon at Redbull which made quite some errors during the time at Redbull,this is just because we need space for a new one and you are going to retire for at least 1 season.

[Bitinity]

Top Ten San Marino Moto GP Qualification Results :
1. 63 Francesco BAGNAIA
2. 43 Jack MILLER
3. 20 Fabio QUARTARARO
4. 89 Jorge MARTIN
5. 5 Johann ZARCO
6. 44 Pol ESPARGARO
7. 93 Marc MARQUEZ
8. 41 Aleix ESPARGARO 
9. 42 Alex RINS
10. 12 Maverick VIÑALES

The dominance of the motor with great power is still happening. Will Quartararo be able to compete? This looks difficult, but it seems Yamaha bikes are quite friendly here. If Quartararo doesn't get on the podium, the race for the title will be more open.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

First starting grid is absolutely the same as the previous race in Aragon. I doubt Quartararo will be able to compete till finish, I think top 3 podium will be all Ducati Riders. One rider that may come to disturb the Ducati domination is Marquez, if he can make a good start then it will be another battle between Ducati and Honda. I do not mean to underestimate Quartararo and Yamaha, but I think it is hard for him to compete.

[DIA7]

Some news from F1.

Redbull has an option to sign back Albon in 2023.
Ferrari will introduce 2022 new components in 2 GPS, not in the next one, they will probably need to start from the last position in the grid for penalities.
Wolff wants de Vries in F1, does he will take the spot in Alfa Romeo over Giovinazzi?

I think Giovinazzi is a very good driver considering the car he drives which deserves to continue in F1 and I think he has earned it on the track.It is very sad to see a driver being forced to retire from F1 for at least one year just because the big ones want to try a new guy and there is no other space but this one,this is much different than with Albon at Redbull which made quite some errors during the time at Redbull,this is just because we need space for a new one and you are going to retire for at least 1 season.

Yeah Giovinazzi have been performing well especially in Qualification he outperformed his partner Kimi in Quali many times its just the car cannot keep giving high performance all the long tge race also he have been unlucky last race in Monza as the start he damaged his front wing and had to pit to change it .
Also he is the only Italian in F1 and Alfa Romeo is an Italian team and they should keep the driver that knows well the team and have idea about the knew car through some testing so bringing two drivers to a new season with new car can be a bit of disadvantages especially a rookie. Like at Tsunoda with Alphatauri he is clearly struggling and Alfa needs a good start next year and not gets held by a rookie.