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It was a good day in Great Britain.    Hamilton did a mega job by taking the win home indeed. I'm going to be honest, I was fully focused on a Norris win. I didn't expect Mercedes drivers to keep a solid race pace unlike the qualifying one. But they surprised me a lot. Even Verstappen couldn't keep up and had serious issues during most of the race.

The Red Bull dominance is gone these days. This is what makes me really happy at the same time. I'm enjoying this season a lot after starting to see surprising results. I hope McLaren and Mercedes go on like that. Hopefully we can see Ferrari rejoining the competition too.

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So Sir Lewis Hamilton is back to the win.
It was a fun race today even if we had not so many overtakes.

Another potential win for Norris thrown away, he can still win the title but they are going to be perfect now until the end of the season.

Russul was another potential winner today but the car died.

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So Sir Lewis Hamilton is back to the win.
It was a fun race today even if we had not so many overtakes.

Another potential win for Norris thrown away, he can still win the title but they are going to be perfect now until the end of the season.

Russul was another potential winner today but the car died.

I was very disappointed and saddened by the problems George Russell had today.
In fact, this was a competition in which he could still guarantee a place on the podium, as the English driver was in excellent performance, coming off a great weekend after leading the 3rd free practice and taking pole position in the Mercedes one-two.

And then, still talking about problems... as for Ferarri's disappointment, with Charles Leclerc only starting in 11th place, I already expected that this wouldn't be a good day for him. I even felt a little optimistic when I saw that I had achieved 8th place right at the beginning, but the several stops ended the pace and hopes for Leclerc... frustrating.

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Disaster as often for Leclerc.

I think it was a good risk they needed to take, they tried to win the race.
There was no point on defending a 7-8th posiotion.

But yea Mercedes found to fix their car it seems, only Ferrari is behind now in the top teams.

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So Sir Lewis Hamilton is back to the win.
It was a fun race today even if we had not so many overtakes.

Another potential win for Norris thrown away, he can still win the title but they are going to be perfect now until the end of the season.

Russul was another potential winner today but the car died.

I'm delighted that Sir Lewis Hamilton won today. Nothing like winning at home. He hadn't won a race for a long time, and he did it in Britain. With Norris and Piastri, McLaren maybe gave away the race they had, but it's better this way. Any race that Red Bull doesn't win is good. Lately there was no competition, the races were boring. Now the other teams are starting to push RB a bit. I hope we will see exciting races again.

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Martin led unchallenged and crashed his bike without being pressurised by Bagnaia... I don't understand it, but now Bagania is leading the world championship again, so now Martin has the bigger pressure again.

Jorge Martin is too hasty when he is at the front so that sometimes he forgets to look after his tires when he enters quite crucial laps like that. Because it will always be painful to remember the accident when the race had two laps left before the finish line and the accident cost him 25 points, putting Pecco Bagnaia in the lead. Now MotoGP has gone on holiday again because the next race will be held in early August and this can allow MotoGP riders to go on holiday and train themselves to become fitter before the next race takes place.

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Disaster as often for Leclerc.

I think it was a good risk they needed to take, they tried to win the race.
There was no point on defending a 7-8th posiotion.

But yea Mercedes found to fix their car it seems, only Ferrari is behind now in the top teams.

I think Leclerc should have used common sense instead of listening to whoever is giving him the instruction in the pit.  Piastri was given the same instruction around the same time Leclerc made it to the pit stop, but Piastri said there was no need as the track was still dry.  Same with Hamilton, he refused to pit until a few laps later.

And no point defending 7th or 8th?  No way Ferrari was thinking like that.  As a team they want as much points as they can get at the end of the day.

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Ferrari is really getting worse in time.    They did a really good work at first. But now they are not only getting away from Red Bull, McLaren is also about to leave them behind.

Ferrari should take action on their downgrade immediately. Not only by improving the car but also dealing with their strategies. Can't they just sign better people for that?    Leclerc's race was destroyed by calling him to pit early.

Truthfully I don't think it was worth trying it while the other teams weren't expecting a good amount of rain. Red Bull also did the same mistake with Perez. It has been like Leclerc sees a bad dream lately and can't wake up yet.

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I think Leclerc should have used common sense instead of listening to whoever is giving him the instruction in the pit.  Piastri was given the same instruction around the same time Leclerc made it to the pit stop, but Piastri said there was no need as the track was still dry.  Same with Hamilton, he refused to pit until a few laps later.

And no point defending 7th or 8th?  No way Ferrari was thinking like that.  As a team they want as much points as they can get at the end of the day.

I think the risk was a good take.
Even if they were pitting with the others it was a race for few points.

They tried winning.
They did the same thing with Perez so yes, Ferrari and RBR are happy to throw away 2-3 points if they can risk to win the race.

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^  If they tried winning by making Leclerc pit too early for the inters then those guys running the team are surely in denial.  As I've been saying before, the team is doing a disservice to Leclerc.  He deserves more imho.  He deserves a better car and better decision making from the pit.  And next year, Hamilton is coming in and I'm pretty sure Ferrari will have a hard time managing both Leclerc and Hamilton.  Leclerc doesn't deserve to be treated as the second driver...

Pretty sure that's gonna happen tho as Ferrari will chase Hamilton's next driver's championship cos it's an easy sell for some kind of next level marketing.

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^  If they tried winning by making Leclerc pit too early for the inters then those guys running the team are surely in denial.  As I've been saying before, the team is doing a disservice to Leclerc.  He deserves more imho.  He deserves a better car and better decision making from the pit.  And next year, Hamilton is coming in and I'm pretty sure Ferrari will have a hard time managing both Leclerc and Hamilton.  Leclerc doesn't deserve to be treated as the second driver...

Pretty sure that's gonna happen tho as Ferrari will chase Hamilton's next driver's championship cos it's an easy sell for some kind of next level marketing.

Jason Button in the past won several races with early pits with inter tires.
About what he deserves Leclerc, he needs to improve to be considered the number 1, often this season has been behind Sainz and not for Ferrari fault.

Side news, Botta is rumored to go to Mercedes but he may refuse if Mercedes will offer only 1 year deal.

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^  Sure but even if it worked out for Button so many years ago, it still doesn't mean that it was the right decision for Leclerc.  It was a disaster for him as every race you're supposed to finish with the best possible time based on what the car can give and the skill of the driver.

I mean did Ferrari really think they could win the race by pitting Leclerc early to slap on the inters when the track was still dry?

And about Leclerc, he really needs to get out of Ferrari as it sapped him off of all confidence he has left imho,

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We have now the list of Sprint races for 2025.
I was expecting a bigger number but they are still 6.

We will have in this order

China
Miami
Belgium
Austin
Brazil
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Good selection of tracks but I wanted more, It is time to get more of these kinda miniraces on tracks where you can overtake.

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We have now the list of Sprint races for 2025.
I was expecting a bigger number but they are still 6.

We will have in this order

China
Miami
Belgium
Austin
Brazil
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Good selection of tracks but I wanted more, It is time to get more of these kinda miniraces on tracks where you can overtake.

More circuits might give us the opportunity to see more opportunities to get points for racers who haven't gotten points and also the excitement of overtaking, but this might reduce the excitement of the main race and will also increase costs for the teams, and This will be a burden for lower level teams. I feel that the 5 circuits are the right choice, because some time ago there was talk of increasing the number of races on the F1 schedule and the drivers and teams protested against this.

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And next year, Hamilton is coming in and I'm pretty sure Ferrari will have a hard time managing both Leclerc and Hamilton.  Leclerc doesn't deserve to be treated as the second driver...

Pretty sure that's gonna happen tho as Ferrari will chase Hamilton's next driver's championship cos it's an easy sell for some kind of next level marketing.

I hope marketing doesn't play such role in that. Leclerc absolutely shouldn't be the 2nd driver. Ferrari normally doesn't have any hierarchy anymore. But it is valid for Leclerc - Sainz situation of course. I wonder if this will change next season...    Leclerc and Hamilton both deserve to be treated in the same way.

Hamilton is 7-time world champion, I have nothing against that. I admire his achievements. However this shouldn't cause Ferrari to overlook Leclerc's driving skills also. Leclerc has been in pain for years because of this incompetent team. 

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As I understood the miracle of the Mercedes recovery in performance was a very silly or easy one to fix.
The majority of the problem were caused from their suspensions.

Once they understood the cause of the general "slowness" of the car it was a quick fix to them.

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I missed it because I didn't see the WSBK race schedule, which this week turned out to be a race in England and from the Free Practice, Superpole and Race1 sessions, Toprak had all been swept clean by occupying first place yesterday. Meanwhile, today I will take the time to watch the SP Race and also Race2 because the Doningtonpark circuit in England is a pretty beautiful circuit with a unique layout so it can make the race less boring. However, I see that Toprak is much stronger on the BMW motorbike he has been riding so far that it makes the Ducati riders look weak, especially the Ducati rider who was world champion in WSBK, namely Alvaro Bautista.

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Leaderboard after British GP

Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Wins   Points
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   255
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1   171
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1   150
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1   146
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   0   124
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   0   118
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1   111
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1   110
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   0   45
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   0   23

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1052073/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-british-grand-prix


Astonishing on how many points has with all the mistakes he makes.
Are we sure that RBR is not the best car still?

[Velvet78]

Leaderboard after British GP

Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Wins   Points
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   7   255
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1   171
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1   150
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1   146
5   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   0   124
6   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   0   118
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1   111
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1   110
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   0   45
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   0   23

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1052073/1/f1-world-championship-points-after-2024-british-grand-prix


Astonishing on how many points has with all the mistakes he makes.
Are we sure that RBR is not the best car still?

It was the case at the beginning of the season but I don't think currently they are that ahead in power.    Mercedes and McLaren have made a really important progress recently. We have seen how much Verstappen struggled in the British GP.

He could have really finished at a much less position than that if didn't act smart with pit stops. He also says they aren't that comfortable anymore. Honestly I would still expect him to win another title this season but I'm not that confident when it comes to constructor championship. This could be the season for Red Bull's streak to be broken. This would lead to Perez's saying goodbye to the team of course whether Verstappen likes it or not.

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As it was already been announced by Wolff a couple of weeks ago, Alonso isn't interested in the second drive in Mercedes.  And it's looking like Antonelli isn't getting the second drive either as the team wants him to take his time and stay at F2 for a couple more years.  And there was Sainz, who looked like a done deal to get the second seat but then it looks like he's flaking out.  The reason is he doesn't want to be just another Bottas that they could give a one or two year contract then his future would be in limbo.

And with all that, I think I know who would be willing to take the second drive and who wouldn't care if he's given just two years at Mercedes since he's already retired...  I'm guessing Vettel will be back!