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January 31, 2013, 02:22:53 PM
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Avalon,

If you are watching... might I make a suggestion..  It would be nice if you would limit the orders to 1 per customer for like the first hour or two when batch 2 opens up...  If there are still units outstanding in the batch after everyone who wants one has ordered, then go ahead and open the gates for multiple units...

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He said in OP, Avalon has always been a Build To Order operation. Meaning that there will be exactly as many units produced in batch 2 as there are orders, regardless of how many each person orders.
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January 31, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
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Do ya think its really that time-critical?
How long after they accepted orders was the 1st Batch sold out?
20 minutes.
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January 31, 2013, 02:24:58 PM
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Do ya think its really that time-critical?
How long after they accepted orders was the 1st Batch sold out?

First batch was sold out for 20 mins max
However there were some units available later, because some folks did not pay.

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January 31, 2013, 02:26:35 PM
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Do ya think its really that time-critical?
How long after they accepted orders was the 1st Batch sold out?

You really didn't think that through very did you?

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January 31, 2013, 02:27:30 PM
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Avalon,

If you are watching... might I make a suggestion..  It would be nice if you would limit the orders to 1 per customer for like the first hour or two when batch 2 opens up...  If there are still units outstanding in the batch after everyone who wants one has ordered, then go ahead and open the gates for multiple units...

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He said in OP, Avalon has always been a Build To Order operation. Meaning that there will be exactly as many units produced in batch 2 as there are orders, regardless of how many each person orders.


Didn't Avalon also state that Batch #2 was going to be 500 units?  I took "build to order" to mean they will not order the parts till they have been paid..not to mean that they will build as many as everyone wants.  

Avalon, could you please clarify?

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January 31, 2013, 02:32:43 PM
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yo - got children, got to work tomorrow

No children, but same here on the "got to work tomorrow" ... I managed to arange to work from home today, won't be able to do that again on short notice..    Hoping the new date is on the weekend, or that we get at least 48 hours notice so we can make arangements...

also, how long will we have to pay after we submit the order?

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January 31, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
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also, how long will we have to pay after we submit the order?

Immediately. There isn't any leeway on orders..meaning you pay when you order.

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January 31, 2013, 02:47:03 PM
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Can anyone suggest me in what exactly date avalon sold out first batch? In original thread the delays were mentioned. But I cant find exact date of selling. Thanks.
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January 31, 2013, 03:03:16 PM
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Can anyone suggest me in what exactly date avalon sold out first batch? In original thread the delays were mentioned. But I cant find exact date of selling. Thanks.
My order says it was placed September 23, 2012 (3 am EDT)
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January 31, 2013, 03:08:58 PM
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Can one guy buy the entire batch, or is there a limit to the number of units per head?
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January 31, 2013, 03:32:20 PM
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Didn't Avalon also state that Batch #2 was going to be 500 units?  I took "build to order" to mean they will not order the parts till they have been paid..not to mean that they will build as many as everyone wants.  
I think it means that they will build what the customer orders, in the quantity that the customer requires, and not a single unit more. The 500 (600?) cap is because of capacity in the delivery time window. If they only get orders for 100 units, they will only make 100 units. They don't keep inventory of finished product, only parts. Think of it as the difference between a shipyard and a toy company - the shipyard doesn't have a stock of finished ships to sell you unless one of their customers had a bankruptcy. By only accepting bitcoins, they're not exposed to that risk.
I'm sure one person could order 1000 units if (s)he wanted, but only the first 500 would be delivered in the time window.

Edit: Actually, the idea of reducing inventory and storage costs has trickled down even into furniture sales: When you buy an expensive custom sofa, it hasn't been built yet, or is already on the truck from Poland.
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January 31, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
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Didn't Avalon also state that Batch #2 was going to be 500 units?  I took "build to order" to mean they will not order the parts till they have been paid..not to mean that they will build as many as everyone wants.  
I think it means that they will build what the customer orders, in the quantity that the customer requires, and not a single unit more. The 500 (600?) cap is because of capacity in the delivery time window. If they only get orders for 100 units, they will only make 100 units. They don't keep inventory of finished product, only parts. Think of it as the difference between a shipyard and a toy company - the shipyard doesn't have a stock of finished ships to sell you unless one of their customers had a bankruptcy. By only accepting bitcoins, they're not exposed to that risk.
I'm sure one person could order 1000 units if (s)he wanted, but only the first 500 would be delivered in the time window.

I think we are in complete agreement.. you just stated my thoughts better than I did.

Hence, my suggestion that they initially limit it to one unit per customer, so that ( in the decentralized spirit of bitcion ) .. as many miners as possible have at least one godlike hashing unit...  if they don't come up with 500(600?) unique customers, by all means, then open it up to multiple units per customer.. but please at least give everyone a chance so that one (or a few) customers can't buy up the entire batch, simply cuz they refreshed the buy page 2 seconds quicker than everone else...

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January 31, 2013, 03:56:36 PM
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Batch two has been postponed as of now, stay tuned today for major updates. This gives a chance for more people to acquire bitcoins for the order, it will be at least 24 hours from now before order, but I do not expect the delay to extend past this week.

On the bright side, BTC value is going up = cheaper rigs!
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January 31, 2013, 04:33:48 PM
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Hence, my suggestion that they initially limit it to one unit per customer, so that ....
So that it takes ages for them to deal with all the order handling, shipping waybills, invoicing, payment follow up?

I think they'd rather have 20 customers that take 30 units each than 600 customers that take 1 unit each

Heck, I'd place an order for 30 units if I could pay with wire transfer...
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January 31, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
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Is the delay perhaps caused by Avalon deciding to take order for batch 2 and 3 consecutively, so that those who miss out on batch 2 at least can order from batch 3 with those BTC and time off work/family commitments they would have to take anyway?
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    Batch Status: Not Open
    Unit Price: $?Huh
    Batch Size: Huh Units

    Orders Opened On: To be Announced
    Payment Processor: Bitpay
    Shipping Time: April 5st, 2013
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January 31, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
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Is the delay perhaps caused by Avalon deciding to take order for batch 2 and 3 consecutively, so that those who miss out on batch 2 at least can order from batch 3 with those BTC and time off work/family commitments they would have to take anyway?
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    Batch Status: Not Open
    Unit Price: $?Huh
    Batch Size: Huh Units

    Orders Opened On: To be Announced
    Payment Processor: Bitpay
    Shipping Time: April 5st, 2013

Well I'm glad they're having more batches. More units = better chance of me getting one
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January 31, 2013, 05:46:00 PM
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Hence, my suggestion that they initially limit it to one unit per customer, so that ....
So that it takes ages for them to deal with all the order handling, shipping waybills, invoicing, payment follow up?

I think they'd rather have 20 customers that take 30 units each than 600 customers that take 1 unit each

Heck, I'd place an order for 30 units if I could pay with wire transfer...
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Since that they don't seem to be in a hurry anymore, why not to open the orders like the last time, allow 10 days for the wires to come in and delete the orders that doesn't come in in time?

Less troubles for all of us fiat-powered.

Less commission for them, less problems in a speculative market.

After all mining is a hard way to convert fiat to bitcoin, correct?

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January 31, 2013, 05:48:13 PM
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Since they are taking only BTC:

- Do you first buy and than make the transfer in 1-2 days?
- How is the BTC needed calculated? Especially since it is fluctuating a lot nowadays...
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January 31, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
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After all mining is a hard way to convert fiat to bitcoin, correct?

Harder but potentially more effective.
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January 31, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
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Hence, my suggestion that they initially limit it to one unit per customer, so that ....
So that it takes ages for them to deal with all the order handling, shipping waybills, invoicing, payment follow up?

I think they'd rather have 20 customers that take 30 units each than 600 customers that take 1 unit each

Heck, I'd place an order for 30 units if I could pay with wire transfer...
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Or +30

Since that they don't seem to be in a hurry anymore, why not to open the orders like the last time, allow 10 days for the wires to come in and delete the orders that doesn't come in in time?

Less troubles for all of us fiat-powered.

Less commission for them, less problems in a speculative market.

After all mining is a hard way to convert fiat to bitcoin, correct?

Why would they?
They've taken months of abuse on the forums - finally have shown their true colours by bringing kit to the marketplace.
Any serious customer into btc will have the coin to hand or made arrangements to have coin in time for batch#2
Demand will be far higher than the size of batch 2 - so they can cut out any headaches and ask for upfront payment.

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